On This Day 1969: Film star stabbed in "ritualistic" killings

[bobthedrummer]

Sharon Tate was pregnant when killed.

The BBC spread the rumor that the perpetrators were part of "...a band of nomadic wandering hippies..." but I know that the Charles Manson "family" was replicated simultaneously (summer/fall 1969) in several other US locations, including Milwaukee, as part of the illegal suppression of US political dissidents known as MH CHAOS/Operation CHAOS.

Here's the BBC's On This Date for today-the murder of pregnant Sharon Tate and 4 others in So. California.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/9/newsid_2998000/2998214.stm

Just to cover my ass from those diehards that refuse to accept hidden history and use ridicule as their hold-out weapon against the truth, here are three links about MH CHAOS.

http://www.cia-on-campus.org/surveil/chaos.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/CensorsBooks_SecretsCIA.html

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Operation%20Chaos.html

I was the drummer in Clockwork Orange, the tragic Milwaukee band-in 1969. These spooks had a use for music in their "rituals", as well as drugs. More about that later.

Anyone reading this that has an Operation CHAOS story to tell would not be alone anymore.

The Charles Manson "family" was replicated simultaneously in the US in 1969. You can take that to the bank, today.

[Revolution1]

1. Conspiracy theory???

[SheilaT]

2. What exactly do you mean

by "replicated simultaneously"? That other "families" with a weird guru were put in place and programmed to go out and kill the same way? What happened to them all?

[bobbieinok]

3. yeah, what do you mean?????

I remember when this happened; it was really sick.

[bobthedrummer]

14. For SheilaT and yourself, bobbieinok I personally got targeted because

of SDS affiliation in high school. There was a search for people with psychic abilities, there was testing of drugs-but some of the same characters and groups associated with Manson in 1969 were present in Milwaukee, Indianapolis and Baltimore in the summer and fall of 1969.

The Four Square Gospel Businessmen, The Process Church of the Final Judgement, the FBI, the Milwaukee Police Department, US Army PsyOps/Col. Michael Aquino, Church of Satan, CIA...they were all around the Milwaukee scene in 1969 too.

Trust me, this isn't a fable I'm posting about-I lost an 18 year old bandmate and a promising musical future from deadly blowback on this. I've been shot at in America 7 times. I carried a gun for over 2 years immediately after the Clockwork Orange bass player was shot and killed in what was ruled "a death by misadventure" in Dec. 1970.

Now I'm disabled at 54, but still able on my drum kit. Frustrated though.:hurts:

[seemslikeadream]

4. BLUEBIRD--Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists

BLUEBIRD--Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists, By Colin A. Ross MD

"...In this summary of Bluebird, Dr. Ross describes unethical experiments conducted by psychiatrists to create amnesia, new identities, hypnotic access codes, and new memories in the minds of experimental subjects. His research is based on 15,000 pages of documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. Dr. Ross is a past president of the International Society for the Study of Dissociation. Join in powerfully creating a better world for all by spreading the word...

"...Historical Background

The Manchurian Candidate is compelling evidence for the reality of therapist-created multiple personality disorder. The condition has been created deliberately by mind control doctors. Experiments to create Manchurian Candidate “super spies” must be understood in their social and historical context, which is one of pervasive, systematic mind control experimentation, not by a few isolated renegade doctors, but by the leaders of psychiatry and the major medical schools. Because this book is likely to provoke extreme reactions, I have taken great care to present only facts which are fully documented and based on objective, public domain information. P. E

The basic premise of the book The Manchurian Candidate<1> is that a group of American POWs in the Korean War is brainwashed while crossing through Manchuria to freedom. They arrive back in the US amnesic for the period of brainwashing, and one of them has been programmed to be an assassin. His target is a candidate for president of the US. His Asian handlers control him with a hypnotically implanted trigger, a particular playing card. P. 23

Multiple personality disorder is now classified by the American Psychiatric Association<2> as dissociative identity disorder. According to my definition, the Manchurian Candidate is an experimentally created dissociative identity disorder that meets the following four criteria:


more
http://home.att.net/~mcra/bluebird.htm

[madrchsod]

5. oh ya, i remember those days

the FBI and CIA had informants in every activist group in the USA. i found out one day they knew one hell of alot about me. i wonder just who in my small circle of friends was working for them.

[bobthedrummer]

19. That was one of their goals to create distrust and in-fighting.

It worked for awhile, hey?

[Minstrel Boy]

6. Adam Gorightly's an interesting and informed author on the subject.

http://www.mansonmythos.com/home.html

He's authored a couple of relevant books:

The Shadow over Santa Susana: Black Magic, Mind Control and The "Manson Family" Mythos

Fortunately, in the much welcome exposé, The Shadow Over Santa Susana, Adam Gorightly brings the wayward and colorful Manson gaggle back to vivid, hallucinatory life in an informative and entertaining way.... Apparently old Charley had ties with Scientology (the organization denies this in spite of contrary evidence), NLP, The Process Church and other suspect covers for various mind control projects. He even had MK'd patsy Sirhan Sirhan as a next door cell mate where they whiled away their life sentences together for a time. One can only wonder about this so called 'synchronicity'! Tying together the seemingly disparate acts of calculated murder, from Tate/LaBianca to 'Son of Sam' David Berkowitz, Mark David Chapman and John Hinckley Jr., and others no doubt initially inspired by the Manson avatar himself, one starts to see the bigger picture at hand of The Family as being one vast, interlinked mind control experiment. The author speculates that such a program was initially implemented by such grey, Fabian elements as Aldous Huxley and others of his elite, Tavistockian persuasion.
http://www.konformist.com/manson-review.htm

Death Cults
In Death Cults, acclaimed author Adam Gorightly examines the dark underbelly of the 1960's counterculture, and the many sinister specters that emerged from the Summer of Love. In what is destined to become an underground classic, Gorightly links cults like The Process Church of the Final Judgment and the Manson Family to elements of the underworld and intelligence communities, brushing back the cobwebs of the occult to reveal a truly disturbing story that continues to haunt us today
http://69.28.73.17/commonsense/deathcults.html


A related thread:
Jonestown, the CIA and mind control
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1917237

[seemslikeadream]

9. I was just bringing Jonestown here,

Remembering Jonestown


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The House of Representatives report, however, noted the "strong working relationship between the People's Temple and the Government of Guyana." The Temple was allowed either directly or indirectly to import items outside the normal Customs regulations, including weapons and cash.

The report also referred to the compromising of Guyanese immigration procedures, whereby the Temple was able to facilitate the entry of its own members, and inhibit the departure of defectors. In addition, the Guyanese immigration requirements were manipulated to the detriment of opponents of the Temple.

The allegations in the Grace Stoen case are well known, whereby Stoen, a Temple defector attempted through the Guyana High Court to retrieve her son from the commune at Jonestown. She failed, at least in part, it was said, because unknown officials were alleged to have influenced the outcome of the custody proceedings. Her child died with the others on November 18.

There were also charges of a sexual liaison between Temple member Paula Adams, and Laurence Mann, Guyana's ambassador to the United States at the time. It was reported that Adams made tape recordings of her trysts on behalf of Jim Jones, which he then turned over to the Guyana Government.

Adams was not in Jonestown on November 18, and she subsequently married Mann. However, they did not escape the legacy of that night, eventually becoming the victims of murder/suicide themselves.

Key figures in the story are now beyond earthly questioning, more especially Forbes Burnham himself, and whether we will ever know the full truth is perhaps debatable.

http://www.guyana.org/features/jonestown_20.html



from
Minstrel Boy

"Jonestown, the CIA and mind control"

Edited on Sat Jul-03-04 07:51 PM by Minstrel Boy
Seeing the names of Jim Jones, Moon, Falwell and others in a thread reminded me, there's another connection between many of the organizations enslaving American minds: a client relationship to the National Security State.

For instance, in 1985, The Portland Oregonian found the Bhagwan Rajneesh movement was linked to opium trafficking, prostitution, money laundering, illegal wiretaps and the stockpiling of guns and biochemical weapons. The paper's 36-part report found the cult had ties to CIA-trained mercenaries in Central America and the Far East, as well as to domestic operatives. http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/mindnet/mn116a.htm

In 1987, a Washington-based cult called The Founders was raided by customs agents for alledged involvement in child pornography. The State Department advised them to "terminate further investigation." When they continued, the CIA made contact and admitted the group was a CIA front, but that it had "gone bad." http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo6.html

But to Jones:

Jonestown, the CIA and mind control

In 1973, just after the CIA's redirection in the next stage of testing and development of the M.K. ULTRA and related operations, it was decided that religious cults best represented a new and virtually fool-proof operations platform in which to further Mind Control technologies. Several religious "sects and cults" were examined by the Agency for their possible utilization by the CIA in Top Secret studies of Mind Control operations.

In late 1973, under this new focus of the CIA, Deep Cover Operative George Philip Blakey made the initial $650,000 deposit for purchase of what would become known as "The People's Temple" in Guyana, under the management of Reverend Jim Jones. During this period, Jones moved his People's Temple from California to Guyana, where the Agency felt it would be isolated and kept away from public or government scrutiny which might interfere with the operation.

Jones himself was already well known to many in California government. Among other things, he had been the Housing Commissioner of San Francisco. The CIA operations specialists were enthusiastic about the People's Temple operations. Like the abortive UCLA Center for the Study of Violent Behavior, The People's Temple membership was largely Black and impoverished, while the upper management under Jones was all White.

There was also help from within California state government to assist in building up Jones' power base. Among those assisting was Ukiah District Attorney Tim Stone, who was largely responsible for acquiring state mental patients, wards of the state, etc. and turning them over to the People's Temple to act as their Guardian. Many of the same interests in the UCLA Center also displayed interest in the People's Temple operation. Dan Mitrioni was another key player who aided the Agency in its operations base of the People's Temple. Mitrioni was an associate of Jones in the early days of the temple. Mitrioni was a former mid-Western police chief who went to work for the CIA. He was involved in the instruction of torture, brainwashing and public terrorism to government soldiers and security teams in countries such as Bolivia, Uruguay and Brazil for the purposes of establishing and perpetuating the "National Security State".

much more:
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/mind_control/jjones.html

Jonestown massacre + 20: Questions linger
November 18, 1998

SAN FRANCISCO (CNN) -- Twenty years after the world was shocked by the mass murder-suicide in the supposedly utopian community known as Jonestown, the questions linger: How and why did 913 people die? Some believe answers may lie in more than 5,000 pages of information the U.S. government has kept secret.

"Twenty years later, it would be nice to know what went down," said J. Gordon Melton, founder and director of the Institute for the Study of American Religion.

Over the years, there have been rumors of CIA involvement. Some people believe CIA agents were posing as members of the Peoples Temple cult to gather information; others suggest the agency was conducting a mind-control experiment.

In 1980, the House Select Committee on Intelligence determined that the CIA had no advance knowledge of the mass murder-suicide. The year before, the House Foreign Affairs Committee had concluded that cult leader Jim Jones "suffered extreme paranoia." The committee -- now known as international relations -- released a 782-page report, but kept more than 5,000 other pages secret.
http://edition.cnn.com/US/9811/18/jonestown.anniv.01/

What the media won't tell you about Jonestown

Despite having few sources for known funds, Jones found enough money to travel with his wife and family to Brazil in 1961. Coincidentally, longtime friend Dan Mitrione was there as well, having advanced quickly in the IPA (the International Police Academy, a CIA front for training counterinsurgency and torture techniques). Mitrione had honed his skills at torture and assassination by practicing on kidnapped beggars. He himself was later kidnapped and murdered by guerrillas in Uruguay, an incident which became the basis of the Costa Gavras film State of Siege. Jones made regular trips to Belo Horizonte, site of CIA headquarters in Brazil -- and Mitrione's town of residence.

Apparently, this wasn't the only curious intelligence link to Jones. He told some of his neighbors that he was involved in the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence. The U.S. embassy provided Jones with transportation, groceries, and a large home. Considering his dear friendship to Mitrione and the funding of "ministries" in Latin America by the CIA, the theory that Jones was a U.S. intelligence asset makes quite a bit of sense.

In any case, according to his neighbor, Jones "lived like a rich man." Soon after the JFK assassination, Jones returned to the states with $10,000. In 1965, he formed the first People's Temple in Ukiah, California, and set up Happy Havens Rest Home. Without trained personnel or proper licensing, Jones' camp drew in prisoners, the elderly, people from mental institutions, and 150 foster children, many of whom were transferred by court order. Among those who contacted him: "missionaries" from World Vision (an international evangelical order that often fronts for the CIA); the local chapter head to the John Birch Society; and leaders of the Republican party, for whom his "church" members conducted voter organization and fund-raising activities for the Dick Nixon '68 campaign. Jones' advisors included a mercenary from UNITA, the CIA-backed Angola army. Also jumping on board was the Layton family, whose patriarch, U.C.-Berkeley chemist Dr. Laurence Laird Layton, had worked on the Manhattan Project. Dr. Layton was also chief of the Army's Chemical Warfare Division in the early 1950's. (Mrs. Layton was the daughter of Hugo Phillips, a German banker/stockbroker who became rich representing Siemans & Halske and I.G. Farben, two notorious Nazi Holocaust profiteers.)

...

Congressman Leo Ryan visited Jonestown on November 18, 1978 to investigate allegations of human rights abuses. Congressman Ryan, a noted CIA critic, had authored the Hughes-Ryan Amendment, which would have required the CIA to disclose to Congress -- in advance -- details of all covert operations. The State department offered Ryan no answers or assistance, despite numerous inquiries. He arrived with U.S. embassy official Richard Dwyer, as well as some journalists. Among the reporters was Tim Reiterman, who had covered the Patty Hearst story for the San Francisco Examiner.... At the airstrip, Leo Ryan soon became the first congressman to die in the line of duty, along with four reporters. (The Hughes-Ryan Amendment was killed in Congress soon afterwards.)
http://www.whale.to/b/jonestown1.html

The Jonestown Jenocide

As the massacre unfolded, Jones is tape recorded as yelling, "Get Dwyer out of here!" Jim Dwyer was later found at the airstrip, methodically washing his hands.

In 1968, Dwyer was listed in the publication entitled, "Who's Who in the CIA". When asked if the allegation was true, he replied, "No comment."

Of course, Dwyer isn't the only link to CIA in Guyana. Besides those previously mentioned, John Burke, the U.S. ambassador, and Richard McCoy, another official, were both heavily involved with the intelligence community. The U.S. Embassy in Georgetown also housed the Georgetown CIA station. At the time, Guyana had a socialist government, and thus was a likely target for covert operations. Dan Webber, sent to Guyana after the massacre, was CIA as well. The "official" attorney for the survivors, Joseph Blatchford, was involved in a scandal involving CIA infiltration of the Peace Corps.

Then there is the missing money that just "disappeared" after the mass death. Conservative estimates place the amount at $26 million. Others place it at $2 billion. Judging the history of bank loot understatements, the second figure is likely closer to the truth. At the time, a major international money laundering operation was headquartered in Italy involving the Vatican and a mysterious fascist quasi-Masonic lodge known as the P-2. (The operation probably led to the murder of Pope John Paul I, but that's another conspiracy.) The P-2 had a major operation located in nearby Panama, and had numerous CIA links themselves. All this was disturbingly echoed in the S & L swindle of the eighties, which had CIA and Mafia prints all over the place.
http://www.whale.to/b/jones2.html


more on Jonestown:


Witnesses at the airport, where Ryan and four others were murdered, described the gunmen as being “glassy eyed”, “mechanically-walking zombies” who were “devoid of emotion.” The question CIA theorists would like answered is who were these people? The official report stated that there were approximately 1100 people at “Jonestown” at the time of the massacre but other reports claim that there were closer to 1200. Of this number there were 913 dead bodies found and 167 survivors. Twenty people, if the 1100 figure is correct, are left unaccounted for. If they were the assassins, where are they now? Also unaccounted for, and never referred to in news reports, are the armed guards who were present in “Jonestown” but were free to come and go from the compound. A congressional aide may have been referring to these men in an Associated Press quote “There are 120 white, brainwashed assassins out from Jonestown, awaiting the trigger word to pick up their hit.”

Such a possibility seems to be confirmed for the theorists by a number of unusual deaths that have occurred since the “Jonestown” massacre. The first of these occurred in Georgetown at the People’s Temple headquarters at the same time as the “Jonestown” massacre. Charles Beikman, an early Jim Jones follower who had become an “adopted son” was found to be responsible. Apparently, Beikman was also a Green Beret, of which there were over 300 in Guyana at the time on a “training exercise.”

Nine days after “Jonestown,” San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk were killed. Both men had received financial support from Jones while he was in San Francisco and were involved in an ongoing investigation into their involvement in the disappearance of People’s Temple funds. Dan White, described as being in a "zombie state" at the time of the killings, murdered them. White’s lawyers attempted to defend their client by stating that White had been temporarily insane due to the effects of eating too much sugar, a defence which was mockingly known as the “Twinkie defence.”

Some time later, Michael Prokes, a former member of the People’s Temple, informed a press conference, held in his motel room, that the CIA and FBI were secretly holding an audiotape of the “Jonestown” massacre and that he was an FBI informant. Immediately following his announcement, Prokes went into the bathroom where he supposedly committed suicide.

more
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/jonestown/connections_5.html?sect=8

Thanks, bob and Minstrel-san for helping to open our eyes to this ugly shadow history

[bobbieinok]

10. 'Fabian ' elements????? Fabian socialists???????

Aren't Fabian socialists the good guys?????

[bobbieinok]

11. some Fabians were Sydney + Beatrice Webb, GB Shaw, HG Wells

some pro and con info on the Fabians

http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/schools/fabian.htm

[bobbieinok]

12. Beatrice Webb

http://www.heliograph.com/trmgs/trmgs4/bea2.shtml

[Cleita]

7. Well, that would explain why they carved swastikas on their

foreheads. I never could understand why hippies would wear a Nazi symbol, even deranged, brainwashed ones. The counter culture was anything but fascist.

[noonwitch]

13. The Manson family were not really hippies

They called themselves "slippies" because of the way they'd creep into people's houses. At least, that's according to "Helter Skelter" by Bugliosi, probably the best-written true crime book I've ever read.

I don't believe all the government conspiracy bullshit, at least as it pertains to the Manson family. They were a bunch of dope-addled sociopaths and borderlines who let a psycho define their personalities for them, because it was easier than thinking for themselves.

The Jonestown stuff, well, I saw some interesting info in a documentary about CIA involvement in the People's Temple. How an agent met with various members a few days before Rep. Ryan's fateful visit, which is what preceeded the mass suicides and murders.

[bobthedrummer]

16. Maybe it was the influence of Michael Aquino's PsyOps "Helter Skelter"

Aquino once performed a ritual in Germany to invoke the spirit of SS leader Heinrich Himmler-and Aquino's Temple of Set has been cited for Nazi ideology in addition to the German Romanticism traditions--the order of death imo.

[Skidmore]

8. I don't know what to make of this but I do know that

I can't understand why anyone would want to pick the CIA or FBI as a career. The type of personality and total suspension of morality it must take to pursue some of the stuff we do know about is beyond me. The kicker is they keep imploring people to trust them. Combine this mentality with other than reality based president (e.g., Nixon or *), and we've entered a world beyond surreal. It is down right frightening.

[pogehtpots]

15. pick the CIA or FBI as a career...

probably to help find kidnapped kids..murderers...stuff like that...even if the 'theories' discussed in this thread were true, they would involve a small percentage of agents from either agency

[bobthedrummer]

17. This involved the abuse of the national security classification system

to hide crimes by individuals claiming some type of government immunity-outlaw bikers, white supremacists, and many criminal cultists--in addition to, possibly just a handful, of high level government operatives.

This was largely the project of Richard McGarrah Helms.

Welcome to DU, pogehtpots.

[pogehtpots]

18. thank you...n/t