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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:51 PM
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Need Help Debunking!
A coworker of mine just sent this. I'm actually not able to debunk this and need help!

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About Kerry - A MUST READ !!!!



CAN YOU NAME THIS COUNTRY?


709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR

WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND

SUBMARINES

PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO
SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.



~IS THIS COUNTRY-


RUSSIA? NO

CHINA? NO

GREAT BRITAIN? NO

FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN (What a Laugh!!!!!)

MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG (SORT OF): GIVE UP?


THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED DURING THE
ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.


AND was 100% SUPPORTED BY JOHN KERRY (THESE HE DID
VOTE ON)


SLEEP WELL!!


This is not a new message, but a reminder of why we now have
over-deployed our National Guard and Reserve Units.


HE SAID CHECK THE RECORD


Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts says he is the strongest
Presidential Candidate on National Defense! He said Check the

Record..


We Did !


Here is what we learned:

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle

He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank

He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988

He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system

He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle

He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16

He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade

He voted to Kill the B-1

He voted to Kill the B-2

He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system

He voted to Kill the FA-18

He voted to Kill the B-2

He voted to Kill the F117


He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and
deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for battle armor
for our troops.


It is most likely, with Sen. John Kerry as President and Commander in
Chief

of our Armed Services, that they will cease to function making it impossible
for our country to protect itself.


John Kerry voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every
agency of the US Government.


He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%.

He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%.

He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

THEN, and this is abhorrent to almost every American
Voter be you Democrat, Republican or! Independent, he voted to

increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800% !!


Ask yourself Is THIS the person you want as President of these United
States providing for the Common Defense of the Nation and be the Leader of the
Free World?


Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting records.

The above is an accurate record.



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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:54 PM
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1. Check Snopes.com
"The above is an accurate record"
(Yeah, of bullshit.)

Cripes, they don't care if it's lies, as long as it's repeated often enough.

Again, check www.snopes.com They probably have the answer you seek. Good luck.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:55 PM
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2. From Slate
http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127/

After completing 20 planes for which we have begun procurement, we will shut down further production of the B-2 bomber. We will cancel the small ICBM program. We will cease production of new warheads for our sea-based ballistic missiles. We will stop all new production of the Peacekeeper missile. And we will not purchase any more advanced cruise missiles. … The reductions I have approved will save us an additional $50 billion over the next five years. By 1997 we will have cut defense by 30 percent since I took office.

The speaker was President George H.W. Bush, the current president's father, in his State of the Union address on Jan. 28, 1992.

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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:56 PM
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3. Snopes.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:58 PM
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4. Voting Against M-1 Tanks? Not Really.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=147

And Republicans go too far when they claim that Kerry voted against such mainstay weapons of today's military as the M-1 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and the Patriot missile. (See this Republican National Committee "fact sheet," for example.) These claims are misleading because they rest on Kerry's votes against the entire Pentagon appropriations bills in 1990 and 1995. Kerry also voted against the Pentagon authorization bills (which provide authority to spend but not the actual money) in those years and also in 1996. But none of those were votes against specific weapons systems. Kerry's critics might just as well say he was voting to fire the entire Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps.

It is true as Republicans say that in 1993 (Bill Clinton's first year as President) Kerry specifically proposed cutting the size of the military, including reductions in numbers of submarines, jet fighters and soldiers. But what Republicans fail to mention is that it was a very broad measure aimed at cutting federal spending by $85 billion at a time when the federal deficit was roughly $300 billion. Kerry's measure -- the "Budget Deficit Reduction Act of 1993" -- targeted not only military spending but also would have eliminated federal subsidies for cotton, wool and mohair production, eliminated the superconducting super collider and the space station, and raised fees for grazing or mining on public land. That bill died without a hearing in the Senate Finance Committee.

It is also true that Kerry proposed in 1995 another measure that -- among other things -- would have cut the US intelligence budget by $300 million per year for 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000. Republicans fail to mention, however, that this was another broad, deficit-reduction measure that didn't just target military spending. When he introduced it Sept. 29, 1995, Kerry said it would cut $90 billion in federal spending, of which $10 billion would come from defense spending, and $11 billion from terminating the international space station program.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:59 PM
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5. 60% 80% and 80%? Complete BS
ASk this yahoo where they got those numbers from-I know it is just an e-mail so there is no responsibility for the contents, anyone can say anything on this pieces of crap.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 03:59 PM
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6. It's more RW garbage.
Check out Snopes; it's been debunked.

Link here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

Send your reply to "ALL" -- we can never let them have the last word! They won't do the research, so we have to, but that's OK because we're smarter than they are.

Shrub sure has the idiot vote sewn up.

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:17 PM
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7. Thanks guys!
I was able to turn the tables a bit.
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