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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:27 PM
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Gen Franks takes the blame for "Mission Accomplished" sign.
CNN just reported that Gen. Franks said this was his idea to put up that sign on the carrier when shrub landed and gave his speech.

Wonder if it was, or if he's taking the hit for the boss?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:30 PM
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1. He's just an old wardog falling on a grenade.
I thought it had been acknowledged that it was Rove's idea.
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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:54 PM
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21. Bush takes the blame for nothing...the spineless creep.
He would do the same had he gone to Viet Nam..
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:32 PM
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2. Who paid for it? Not Gen Franks
I don't care who's "idea" it was. I want the one who made the decision and paid for it.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:32 PM
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3. They can't keep their lies straight
watch for more falling on swords in the coming weeks.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:32 PM
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4. It took them..................
well over a year to come up with this? The mighty wurlitzer propaganda machine is slipping a gear.
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:32 PM
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5. When it comes to taking responsibilty, the repugs' slogan is...
"Anybody But Bush."

I'm sure Frankie is taking the fall.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:33 PM
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6. What is he like the third person to take blame for that sign?
I thought it was the Navy who hatched that brilliant scheme.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:34 PM
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7. That has got to be a load of horse hockey

Despite his position as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, what
would Franks be doing ordering what signs the Navy would hang
on their aircraft carrier?

What about the font and the RNC background used in the sign?

This doesn't pass the laugh test.

It was a white house sign for a white house photo op. Complete
with stuffed socks.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:34 PM
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8. He is a lying punk.He said today he'd never heard of PNAC til now.
Edited on Mon Aug-09-04 04:44 PM by Algorem
I heard him on the radio today say he'd never heard of PNAC until today(or yesterday,whatever) http://www.wamu.org/ram/2004/r2040809.ram
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:36 PM
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9. They timed the arrival of Bush's jet with the sunset
and I'm supposed to believe that none of Bush's people neither knew nor cared that the sign was there?

:headbang:
rocknation
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katusha Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:36 PM
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10. it don't matter who done it...
when asked last year about it, bush fumbled and finally blamed the sailors for putting it up. so someone is lying and not very well, and i think we all know that the liars are EVERYONE IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, HIS ADVISERS, FRIENDS, DOGS, AND ASSORTED SMALL ANIMALS WITHIN 50 FEET OF DOOFUS!
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:36 PM
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11. Oh, yeah...
and they'll play it like, "I guess I just got a little carried away, I was so gosh-darned proud of our guys and gals."

So proud that he contracted with some folks in China to get the sign made, in the same exact style as several other White House signs.

And so carried away that he forgot which branch of the service he worked in, because in October 2003 Bush* said the sign was put up by the Navy.
"What (the president) said was that it was put up by the Navy, by people on board the ship and that was correct," his spokesman Scott McClellan said Wednesday.

"It was an idea that was suggested by those on the ship as a way to honor the sailors and crew on board the USS Lincoln for accomplishing their mission."

He acknowledged however: "The Navy asked us to take care of the production of the banner."

Source: http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/at/Qus-bush-iraq-mission.R5P9_DOT.html
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:36 PM
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12. what a load of crap...
if he really was responsible, then he should have spoken up right away...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:13 PM
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29. total crap
he sure was scarce at the time
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Shadowen Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:38 PM
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13. I doubt he did it.
He strikes me as a somewhat canny old warrior who knows when a mission is accomplished and when it isn't.

Which is why it surprises me that he and so many other people who should fucking know better are taking the bullets meant for *.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:40 PM
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14. Franks is a "murdering officer".
There's two kinds of officers: Killing Officer and Murdering Officers.

A Killing Officer will get you killed accidentally, as part of an otherwise well-planned operation.

A Murdering Officer.....

Well, you can imagine the rest.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:40 PM
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15. why bring it up now????
people had already made up their minds about the responsibility

his statement just makes everyone remember

doesn't seem very smart to me
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:41 PM
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16. True warriors do not have to advertise
A soldier gets in, takes care of business, and gets out. No putting up signs or parades or dog and pony shows.

Gen. Franks is either losing it or has been "prodded" to say what he did.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:50 PM
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17. You don't see Schwarzkopf whoring himself out like this.
I'm sure he has his own opinions but at least he is not a marionette on a string.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:52 PM
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18. Franks
He is a F-IN General
An aircraft carrier is Navy

Its always someone else's fault or blame when it comes to
GW Bush
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:52 PM
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19. Is Franks taking the blame for "Bring it on!", too?
That would be cavalier of him.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 04:52 PM
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20. HORSESHIT! I suppose it's just a BIG COINKYDINK
that the goddamned FORMAT of the banner was like every other one.

Did ol' Tommy Boy say, "Excuse me, Karl, would you please print me out a Mission Accomplished Banner that looks EXACTLY LIKE all the others you made?

BULLSHIT!

Transparent fucking Orwellian SHITPILES!

God these Imperial Family Toadies make me SICK!

Why do you hate America so, Tommy Franks?
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 05:01 PM
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22. He's not lying for free.What's he angling for?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 05:09 PM
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25. If Georgie "wins" (sic) again, Franks could replace Rice or Powell
or etc. etc.

He ain't fallin' on this sword for nuthin'.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 05:15 PM
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26. Yes!He's got that double-chinned-lean-and-hungry -psychotically-
ambitious-old-prick look
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 05:04 PM
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23. Bush Lied And Said That a "Sailor" Had Come Up With the Idea.
Which story is it?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 05:08 PM
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24. "I thought it up on the 13th Tee..."
Tommy "Country Club" Franks fought the war in Afghanistan from a golf course in Florida. But that's OK, because he assured us that he "could be there in 16 hours" if the shit hit the fan and required his "personal touch"....

Could you have immagined Patton or Ike leading the ETO from a golf course in Arlington?

No, me neither.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:33 PM
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27. BS
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 07:49 AM by Skinner
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/national/03LETT.html

WHITE HOUSE LETTER
Two Words on a Banner That No Author Wants to Claim
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: November 3, 2003

<snip>

"I'll give you the whole scoop," Commander Chun said. "The ship came up with the idea, and thought it would be good to have a banner, `Mission Accomplished.' " The idea popped up in one of the meetings aboard the ship preparing for its homecoming, Commander Chun said, and the sailors then asked if the White House could get the sign made.

But Commander Chun said he was not in any of those meetings, and did not know who had come up with the banner idea.

Next stop was Lt. Cmdr. John Daniels, the public affairs officer aboard the Lincoln, which is now in dry dock in Bremerton, Wash., for maintenance and repairs.

"The sailors came up with an idea of a banner, and they said, `Hey, is there any way we could get a `Mission Accomplished' banner made?' " Commander Daniels said.

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Bush's denial that the WH placed the banner on the carrier:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031028-2.html

Q Mr. President, if I may take you back to May 1st when you stood on the USS Lincoln under a huge banner that said, "Mission Accomplished." At that time you declared major combat operations were over, but since that time there have been over 1,000 wounded, many of them amputees who are recovering at Walter Reed, 217 killed in action since that date. Will you acknowledge now that you were premature in making those remarks?

THE PRESIDENT: Nora, I think you ought to look at my speech. I said, Iraq is a dangerous place and we've still got hard work to do, there's still more to be done. And we had just come off a very successful military operation. I was there to thank the troops.

The "Mission Accomplished" sign, of course, was put up by the members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, saying that their mission was accomplished. I know it was attributed some how to some ingenious advance man from my staff -- they weren't that ingenious, by the way. But my statement was a clear statement, basically recognizing that this phase of the war for Iraq was over and there was a lot of dangerous work. And it's proved to be right, it is dangerous in Iraq. It's dangerous in Iraq because there are people who can't stand the thought of a free and peaceful Iraq. It is dangerous in Iraq because there are some who believe that we're soft, that the will of the United States can be shaken by suiciders -- and suiciders who are willing to drive up to a Red Cross center, a center of international help and aid and comfort, and just kill.


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The Banner, hung (and designed? and produced?) by the USS Lincoln crew, according to Bush. Looks suspiciously similar to backdrops we see at every Bush speech:



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Bush's speech on the carrier:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/index.html

Bush makes historic speech aboard warship
Thursday, May 1, 2003 Posted: 9:48 PM EDT (0148 GMT)

ABOARD THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CNN) -- The following is an unedited transcript of President Bush's historic speech from the flight deck of the USS Lincoln, during which he declared an end to major combat in Iraq:

Thank you. Thank you all very much.

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.


Video of the speech linked here:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/01/sprj.irq.bush.speech/index.html


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Bush handlers stage manage every aspect of his appearances, including this one:

Keepers of Bush image lift stagecraft to new heights
By Elisabeth Bumiller
New York Times
Friday, May 16, 2003 Posted: 7:08 AM EDT (1108 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/

The president's image makers, Mr. Bartlett said, work within a budget for White House travel and events allotted by Congress, which for fiscal 2003 was $3.7 million. He said he did not know the specific cost of staging Mr. Bush's Sept. 11 anniversary speech, or what the White House was charged for the lights. A spokeswoman at the headquarters of Musco Lighting in Oskaloosa, Iowa, said the company did not disclose the prices it charged clients.

<snip>

The most elaborate — and criticized — White House event so far was Mr. Bush's speech aboard the Abraham Lincoln announcing the end of major combat in Iraq. White House officials say that a variety of people, including the president, came up with the idea, and that Mr. Sforza embedded himself on the carrier to make preparations days before Mr. Bush's landing in a flight suit and his early evening speech.

Media strategists noted afterward that Mr. Sforza and his aides had choreographed every aspect of the event, even down to the members of the Lincoln crew arrayed in coordinated shirt colors over Mr. Bush's right shoulder and the "Mission Accomplished" banner placed to perfectly capture the president and the celebratory two words in a single shot. The speech was specifically timed for what image makers call "magic hour light," which cast a golden glow on Mr. Bush.

"If you looked at the TV picture, you saw there was flattering light on his left cheek and slight shadowing on his right," Mr. King said. "It looked great."

The trip was attacked by Democrats as an expensive political stunt, but White House officials said that Democrats needed a better issue for taking on the president. A New York Times/CBS News nationwide poll conducted May 9-12 found that the White House may have been right: 59 percent of those polled said it was appropriate, and not an effort to make political gain, for Mr. Bush to dress in a flight suit and announce the end of combat operations on the aircraft carrier.


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Bush handlers admit that the event was SO stage-managed that the ship had to slow down so San Diego would not be visible to the cameras


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A22502-2003May6?language=printer

Explanation for Bush's Carrier Landing Altered
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 7, 2003; Page A20

President Bush chose to make a jet landing on an aircraft carrier last week even after he was told he could easily reach the ship by helicopter, the White House said yesterday, changing the explanation it gave for Bush's "Top Gun" style event.

Bush's televised landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln, for which the president wore a flight suit and a helmet and took underwater survival training in the White House swimming pool, was the dramatic start to a visit to the carrier that included an air show and a televised speech to the nation. In his address, the president declared victory in Iraq in front of cheering sailors and a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished."

White House officials had said, both before and after Bush's landing in a Navy S-3B Viking jet, that he took the plane solely to avoid inconveniencing the sailors, who were returning home after a deployment of nearly 10 months. The officials said that Bush decided not to wait until the ship was in helicopter range to avoid delaying the troops' homecoming.

But instead of the carrier being hundreds of miles offshore, as aides had said it would be, the Lincoln was only about 30 miles from the coast when Bush made his "tail-hook" landing, in which the jet was stopped by cables on deck. Navy officers slowed and turned the ship when land became visible.

<snip>

Citing Fleischer's revised explanation, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) wrote to the General Accounting Office to ask for a "full accounting" of the cost of the trip.

After Fleischer's remarks, Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.) delivered an impassioned speech on the Senate floor, saying he was "deeply troubled" by Bush's actions, which he called "flamboyant showmanship." The octogenarian lawmaker criticized the White House for using the carrier "as an advertising backdrop" and the military "as stage props" for Bush's speech.


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http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/27_mission.html
'Mission accomplished': Bush brag or Demo fib?
U.S. News- Washington Whispers ^ | 09/29/03 | Paul Bedard

After weeks of Democratic assaults that President Bush was a nitwit for declaring "mission accomplished" in Iraq during his May 1 landing and victory speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln, the White House is bidding to set the story straight. The issue should be a simple one: Bush never uttered those words. "The president," argues communications boss Dan Bartlett, "said exactly the opposite: The mission continues." But Bush stood under a banner declaring "mission accomplished." Why? Bartlett says that the Lincoln's captain had the banner made up to thank his crew for the longest-ever carrier tour, not to declare the war over. "It is something the troops are really proud of," says Bartlett. "Of course they can hang the banner." But the picture was all the Demos needed. "On TV," he says, "they never play the bite of the president, they just show the image with the banner." Democratic polls show that the public buys their spin, which doesn't really surprise Bartlett. "Look, perception becomes reality," he says. "But the facts don't back it up."

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WAPO Editorial May 4, 2003
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A10976-2003May3¬Found=true

An Unfinished Mission
Sunday, May 4, 2003; Page B06

THE VICTORY celebration held aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln Thursday was well-deserved, both for President Bush and for the servicemen who cheered him. Thanks to those who gathered on the carrier's deck and their comrades in arms, Saddam Hussein's homicidal hold on Iraq was broken in three weeks, with relatively small, if painful, losses of Iraqi and American lives. None of the disasters feared before the war has come to pass: neither burning oil fields nor bloody street-to-street battles; neither Arab revolutions nor armed interventions by Iraq's neighbors. Mr. Bush acknowledged before the war that these risks were real, but argued that they were outweighed by the risks of not acting: So far, he has been proved right. Nor can there now be any doubt that most Iraqis welcomed the ouster of Saddam Hussein and the elimination of his apparatus of terror. When the horrors of the Baathist regime -- now being confirmed in terrible but necessary detail -- are set against even the destruction and deaths of the war, it's impossible not to conclude that the United States and its allies have performed a great service for Iraq's 23 million people.

Still, it's also impossible to agree with the banner that was draped near Mr. Bush on the carrier deck, proclaiming "Mission Accomplished." Aides say the slogan was chosen in part to mark a presidential turn toward domestic affairs as his campaign for reelection approaches.But neither Mr. Bush nor the American public can afford to put Iraq on the back burner. There is much to be done; the greatest tests and risks still lie in the future. Perhaps Mr. Bush understands that reality; yet his reluctance to fully explain it to Americans or to work for the support he will need is troubling.

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http://www.notinourname.net/resources_links/bush_image_may03.htm

.... First among equals is Scott Sforza, a former ABC producer who was hired by the Bush campaign in Austin, Tex., and who now works for Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director. Mr. Sforza created the White House "message of the day" backdrops and helped design the $250,000 set at the United States Central Command forward headquarters in Doha, Qatar, during the Iraq war.

Mr. Sforza works closely with Bob DeServi, a former NBC cameraman whom the Bush White House hired after seeing his work in the 2000 campaign. Mr. DeServi, whose title is associate director of communications for production, is considered a master at lighting. "You want it, I'll heat it up and make a picture," he said early this week. Mr. DeServi helped produce one of Mr. Bush's largest events, a speech to a crowd in Revolution Square in Bucharest last November.

To stage the event, Mr. DeServi went so far as to rent Musco lights in Britain, which were then shipped across the English Channel and driven across Europe to Romania, where they lighted Mr. Bush and the giant stage across from the country's former Communist headquarters.

A third crucial player is Greg Jenkins, a former Fox News television producer in Washington who is now the director of presidential advance. Mr. Jenkins manages the small army of staff members and volunteers who move days ahead of Mr. Bush and his entourage to set up the staging of all White House events. ....

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http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2346349.php

The president sought to distance himself from the upbeat message in the banner, explaining at Tuesday’s press conference that the idea for the sign came from the ship’s crew.

“I know it was attributed somehow to some ingenious advance man from my staff — they weren’t that ingenious, by the way,” he said.

Turns out they may have been that ingenious.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/28/national2020EST0815.DTL

After the news conference, a White House spokeswoman said the Lincoln's crew asked the White House to have the sign made. The White House asked a private vendor to produce the sign, and the crew put it up, said the spokeswoman. She said she did not know who paid for the sign.

Later, a Pentagon spokesman called The Associated Press to reiterate that the banner was the crew's idea.

"It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew," Navy Cmdr. Conrad Chun said, adding the president's visit marked the end of the ship's 10-month international deployment.

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http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2346349.php

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Bush also made the comment in Qatar a month later. No banner - just the quote:

"I am happy to see you, an so are the long-suffering people of Iraq. America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished. (Applause.) "

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/06/20030605-1.html

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"The president's image makers, Mr. Bartlett said, work within a budget for White House travel and events allotted by Congress, which for fiscal 2003 was $3.7 million."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/

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Asked if Bush had misled people by appearing in front of the banner, McClellan said "the Navy put it up and it was the Navy at the -- asked us to take care of the production of the banner. And we said that yesterday."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1517&e=13&u=/afp/us_bush_iraq_mission

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http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/10/ana03291.html

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Where is CatAtomic? I used to have links to pix he set up to illustrate that they used the exact same flag image on the ship as they had used at other events, but now CA's links are dead.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:33 PM
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31. Stephanie
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.

DU Moderator
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:42 PM
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32. sorry, too late to edit
edit if you must - sorry

BUT - those paragraphs in the first article are just one sentence and don't constitute a big portion of the whole article
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:46 PM
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28. Who's Idea Was It To Land There In The First Place?
being as it required the ship to stay at sea an extra day for the photo op?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:15 PM
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30. he'll say anything to sell a book.
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