Bush Wants To Be Your Shrink

[OneBlueSky]

can you say "eugenics?" . . . take the human genome project, add in mandatory mental health testing, couple with the American eugenics movement, and pretty soon you have a system that weeds out and destroys all the "undesireables" . . . like you and me, for instance . . . from Intervention Magazine . . .

Now Bush wants to test every American for mental illness--including you! And guess who will create the tests?
By Jordanne Graham

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=830&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=6e29f9c852684dc35a969ab52bd91b47

Next month, President Bush plans to unveil a broad new mental health plan called the “New Freedom Initiative.” Never mind that it couldn’t have less to do with freedom; if you’re a thinking American, this initiative should scare the hell out of you.

The New Freedom Initiative proposes to screen every American, including you, for mental illness. To this end, the president established a New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, to study the nation’s mental health delivery service and make a report. It’s interesting to note that many on the staff appointed to the Commission have served on the advisory boards of some of the nation’s largest drug companies.

(snip)

Children and school personnel will be the first to be screened. The panel concluded that schools are in “key positions” to screen the 52 million students and six million adults who work at the schools. By doing this, the commission expects to flush out another six million persons not now receiving treatment. But who will decide the screening criteria? Bush and his people? The drug companies? What are their qualifications?

One recommendation of the commission was that the screening be linked with “treatment and supports,” using “specific medications for specific conditions.” It is no coincidence that the treatments recommended for specific conditions are the newest state-of-the-art treatments that will bring in the most revenues for the drug companies. One of these emerging treatments is a capsule implanted within the body that delivers doses of medication without the patient having to swallow pills or take injections. If a government wanted to exert control of its citizens, think of the implications of using this device.

- more . . . very dangerous stuff, particularly in BushCo's hands . . .

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=830&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=6e29f9c852684dc35a969ab52bd91b47

[Jo March]

1. Children?

Over my dead body will anyone screen my kids for this crap. If I suspect that one of my kids suffers from mental illness, then I will take them to the doctor.

This is so scary that it makes me shake.

Fuck you, Bush. Screen yourself and your entire adminsitration first.

[Kanary]

6. If you're in Illiniois, it *will* be "over your dead body", as it passed

there, and "is not optional".

"Fuck you, Bush. Screen yourself and your entire adminsitration first."

That's basically what the one dissenting legislator said.

People will grumble, but the powers that be know that the populace is too into rugged individualism to get together and sucessfully fight it.

Kanary

[tom_paine]

2. That is a line they dare not cross. Of course, with the hubris of Tyrants

you can bet they will.

[Kanary]

7. The line was crossed in Illinios

Already passed.

Are you ready to get together with your neighbors in *your* state, and make sure this doesn't happen there?

Kanary

[tom_paine]

12. WHAT?!? Got a link to that (not that I doubt you personally I just always

require corroboration).

Are you telling me that Illinois is forcing EVERYONE to take the Sovietized Psycho Tests?!?

All the CHILDREN in SCHOOLS?!?

Please be wrong about this, Kanary, and please provide me with a link if you are right.

If true...

[Kanary]

15. Children, teachers, school personnel, pregnant women.

It was posted here some time ago, so you should be able to do a search for it.

Wish I was wrong on this one.....

Kanary

[tom_paine]

17. Dear God in Heaven!

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive32.htm

You're right. Dozens of other corroborative sites including these Illinois Leader editorials

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=17852

Seems the Imperial Subjects of Bush are starting to understand that he's NOT conservative!

He is a Totalitarian, plain and simple.

[Kanary]

20. Glad you weren't confrontive of me..... I'd have had to rip off your head

:hi:

Quite distrubing, isn't it? Yet, not much came of that earlier thread. So, whatever will be will be......

Thanks for the links..... I'm gonna go read 'em.....

Kanary

[LiberalPersona]

3. This is very frightening

Bush is moving us towards an Orwellian society at a terrifying rate.

Part 1: "Patriot Act"
Part 2: "Free Speech Zone"
This could be part 3
What will the next part be? I hope November comes around before we find that out.

[havocmom]

4. Mental health or enforced mental conditioning?

Cuz when I think mental health, bush* is not the poster boy who comes to mind.

[NewHampshireDem]

5. Yeah ...

I hate to say it, but you've got to turn on your bullshit detectors ... I'd like to see a source for this one, cause it smells like bullshit to me.

I'll believe a lot of evils about *, but I gotta see a little more proof than Intervention is offering.


Here's some info about the NFI:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/freedominitiative/freedominitiative.html

[opihimoimoi]

8. Already most of us are Mental Slaves...now they want ALL OF US>>>

[Kanary]

9. as proof of our mental slavery-hood, most will shrug

and not do thing one to fight it.

Kanary

[OneBlueSky]

11. and here's the Executive Summary . . .

of the President's New Freedom Commisson on Mental Health, which includes the following recommendations:

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/FinalReport/FullReport.htm

Early detection of mental disorders will result in substantially shorter and less disabling courses of impairment.

For consumers of all ages, early detection, assessment, and links with treatment and supports will help prevent mental health problems from worsening.

To aid in transforming the mental health system, the Commission makes four recommendations:

4.1 Promote the mental health of young children.

4.2 Improve and expand school mental health programs.

4.3 Screen for co-occurring mental and substance use disorders and link with integrated treatment strategies.

4.4 Screen for mental disorders in primary health care, across the lifespan, and connect to treatment and supports.

and, as a previous poster has noted, this has already been enacted in Illinois . . .

[Kanary]

13. Thanks for delineating, and I repeat the question......

Are we sufficiently mature to come together and effectively fight this, or is every one going to say, "NOt me", and think that solves it?

Anyone ready to talk about actual plans?

Kanary

[Ilsa]

19. I don't trust these people...

I wouldn't take my kids to just anybody for their physicals (there are pediatricians here that I don't trust). Why should I trust some assigned "expert" through the school system to diagnose my kids with behavior problems?

More from that govt website (emphasis added):

Goal 4 - Early Mental Health Screening, Assessment, and Referral to Services Are Common Practice

In a transformed mental health system, the early detection of mental health problems in children and adults - through routine and comprehensive testing and screening - will be an expected and typical occurrence. At the first sign of difficulties, preventive interventions will be started to keep problems from escalating. For example, a child whose serious emotional disturbance is identified early will receive care, preventing the potential onset of a co-occurring substance use disorder and breaking a cycle that otherwise can lead to school failure and other problems.

Quality screening and early intervention will occur in both readily accessible, low-stigma settings, such as primary health care facilities and schools, and in settings in which a high level of risk exists for mental health problems, such as criminal justice, juvenile justice, and child welfare systems. Both children and adults will be screened for mental illnesses during their routine physical exams.

For consumers of all ages, early detection, assessment, and links with treatment and supports will help prevent mental health problems from worsening. Service providers across settings will also routinely screen for co-occurring mental illnesses and substance use disorders. Early intervention and appropriate treatment will also improve outcomes and reduce pain and suffering for children and adults who have or who are at risk for co-occurring mental and addictive disorders.

I think the govt is getting WAY too involved in family life here, and privacy issues are at stake.

[NewHampshireDem]

32. Good catcj!

I didn't find/see that Mental Health Comission. Now I'm convinced.

I wonder how this is going to be accomplished ... again, to be a little skeptical here. It seems to me (as an educator, but not a special educator) that any screening would be subject to the procedural safeguards under IDEA--that is, any testing (and subsequent actions) could only be conducted with consent of the parents. Furthermore, you couldn't do it without providing copies of said procedural safeguards to parents ... so it would be difficult to do it under the radar, so to speak, unless IDEA was amended. Doing that would open a huge can of worms and get the SPED advocates fired up and highly involved.

Now, I am not saying this cannot be abused--it could, and if some are to be believed, IDEA is already abused. However, I have to say that whenever I hear someone say, "The school made my kid go on Ritalin" I tend to think it's bullshit--only because only an MD can put a kid on any meds, and there's absolutely no way a school can "make" that happen.

Sorry ... didn't mean to get sidetracked here. I agree this merits careful monitoring, but keep let's keep our eyes on the real target here--this is *, not the schools, etc.

[loyalsister]

33. Thank you!

I hate to say it, but there are other parts of it that I don't think are all bad.
For example.
"Service providers across settings will also routinely screen for co-occurring mental illnesses and substance use disorders."
HIGHLY recommended!!! Many people with mental illnesses will self medicate with alcoholo or illegal drugs. This is counterproductive because it gets in the way of diagnosis and treatment of the original problem. If there is a dual diagnosis, treatment of the chemical dependency can lead to much better outcomes for people who have mental illnesses.

[Jo March]

37. Yes - but say no and you will become "unfit"

They will label you an unfit parent for not letting your child be tested or, if tested, placed on medication. I can see this happening.

It's not the schools - I agree with that but it isn't just *, either. It's all of his cronies who feel empowered by * being in office. Indirectly, it's * but this goes deeper than just that idiot. It's the Cheneys and the Ashcrofts of the world who hide behind the Boy King and pull the strings and make the deals and think of ways to herd the cattle into the pen.

I look at my kids and I shudder for what this administration has in store for them. My daughter just started kindergarten. My son is just starting preschool. I will fight to the death for them and their right to privacy and MY RIGHT TO BE A MOM!

So, this has been enacted in Illinois. Okay. Which state is next? I will write, call, fax, email, whatever it takes to help stop this from spreading.

I can Google and find out anything that I can. I can keep you guys posted as well.

I suffer from depression but it is MY business as to what I take and which doctors I see.

Fuck Bush and all of the cronies who are working behind him.

[thecrow]

43. "The school made my kid go on Ritalin"

Uh... yes they can....
My son was "diagnosed" with ADHD in his school and they called us in for a "conference" in which we were told that a battery of studies had "already been done" on him by school psychologists, social workers and others and that if he was to continue going to school there (and there is really no alternative in our community) he should be put on Ritalin and reassessed! The Ritalin was to be gotten from our doctor, but was to be administered through the school nurse.
A few days after he started taking it he developed headaches, stomach aches and sleeplessness. I told him he didn't have to continue taking it.
The school backed down and then we were told he was to repeat the grade he was in because of his "emotional immaturity".

[TrustingDog]

10. more jam-in-the-jeans cash for his 'have mores'....

It’s interesting to note that many on the staff appointed to the Commission have served on the advisory boards of some of the nation’s largest drug companies.
==
first they make us think we're crazy, then they sell us uncrazyness, at a nice profit.

The war in Iraq is quite serious, but the one against American citisens (now called 'consumers') is as well. I believe there is an agenda of burning down your own house here.... why, is something to explore.

but seriously, dudes, there is something really really bad happening to us all, for some purpose of theirs.

[Deja Q]

14. Even in the right hands and the fact they won't pay for the drugs we

supposedly need, I am against this wholly.

I already am being treated for anxiety, WTF is the problem?

I do not trust * at all, he has proven to be less than honest. This does not make me a paranoid schizophrenic.

"Blake's 7" come reality... Except there's no Liberator ship to escape to...

[salvorhardin]

46. Remember how Blake's 7 ended.

I just found out about this. Very scary.

[OneBlueSky]

16. here's a previous DU discussion of the issue . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2094832

[renegade000]

18. i love these orwellian names

patriot act, freedom initiative!

[juslikagrzly]

21. This is too scary for words

and I am a PhD psychologist. The really, really sad thing is that my profession sold its soul to the HMOs and drug companies years ago. Jesus, this just scares the crap out of me. What the HELL is going on in this country???? We have seriously discussed emigrating to Canada if that scum bucket somehows manages to steal this election too. I'm just almost speechless with fear and loathing!

[Kanary]

22. Yes, scary. Is that why so few are responding?

Too scary to deal with?

I mentioned this to the wife of my former shrink last week, and they both had a great time, laughing at me, and telling me I needed to spend less time at the computer. It's all laughable.... until it becomes reality, then it will be too late.......?

Kanary

[Jo March]

38. I'll fight, Kanary

I'll fight them tooth and nail. I'll do whatever it takes. This is wrong on so many levels.

What about the old saying that liberals want government to run everyone's lives? Isn't this government, backed by the big pharm. corps., running our lives?!?

Where is the outrage?!?

[Kanary]

45. Yes, where *IS* the outrage?

It's going to take lots of us fighting together, and that doesn't look like that's going to happen.

Amazing........

Individual solutions don't work on this level, folks.

Kanary

[Kanary]

23. Here's the *real* terror, folks........ no more comments?

:kick:

[Kanary]

24. kicking for the night crew.......

:kick:

[OneBlueSky]

25. kick, dammit! . . . this is important! . . .

this is actually going to happen, people . . . I think this topic should be receiving two or three hundred responses . . . anyone care about this? . . .

[Kanary]

27. I've been kicking......... you saw my questions.... are people just too

scared to think about this???

amazing....

Kanary

[rucky]

26. New Freedom: It's not just a maxi-pad anymore.

sheesh.

[Tight_rope]

28. Kick

[Dem2theMax]

29. Now THIS is a terror alert.

This is something we should all be scared to death of - the government pushing drugs on us and labeling us in the process.

From post # 19

" At the first sign of difficulties, preventive interventions will be started to keep problems from escalating."

We are going to have zombie children. They'll have every kid who misbehaves labeled as mentally ill and they will be drugged to the max.
Teacher doesn't like little Johnnie because he talks too much in class? Must be 'mental' and off he goes to see the 'doctors.'

Then we have this little line - and ONE word in there says it all.

"For consumers of all ages, early detection, assessment, and links with treatment and supports will help prevent mental health problems.."

That word? CONSUMERS. As in people who spend MONEY. And what will they be buying? Drugs. No, I put that the wrong way. They will be FORCED to purchase/take drugs based on this 'plan' of *'s. And we all know who the drug companies are going to vote for.

The stigma of mental illness is still with us. People may be a bit more open to it, but it's not nearly as accepted as it should be.
All this 'program' will do is label people. It will be in government files. Try going anywhere in life with that label on you and see how far you get. What's next? Take all the 'mentally defective' people and ship them off to some island like they used to do to lepers?

Anyone who wants to fight this, I'm right there with you. Sign me up.
* is out of his freaking mind. Talk about the ONE person who needs an evaluation.

[Jo March]

39. I'll fight with you!

Screw these people.

* does need an evaluation. He LOOKS like a madman. Should we lock him up and force injections into HIM???

[Mad_Dem_X]

42. My God...

This is one of the scariest things I've ever read. Just when you think it can't get any crazier...:scared:

[antigone382]

54. WHY hasn't the media said a damn thing about this?

Oh wait...if they gave this unprecedented, frightening development two sentences of coverage we might miss another riveting moment of Amber Frey, crouching in the backseat of a car and trying to hide from the friggin' cameras.

This is the scariest thing I've heard in a long time, and something has to be done about it. I'm going to start by spreading the word to friends, family, colleagues, etc. I know that's really a small effort, but it has to start somewhere, and I think that if we all pledge to tell everyone we know about what's going on, it could make a difference. Of course there's the risk of being laughed at, told to lighten up, etc. But it's worth the mockery of a few uninformed people to speak out against a gross infringement on our freedoms.

Edited for a language error.

[fujiyama]

30. No surprise

They want to get in your bed to see who your sleeping with. It better be a person of the opposite sex.

They want to get in your body to see if you are pregnant, there better be a baby coming out of you.

They want to tap your phone line.

They want to track your library record.

They want to track the websites you've visited.

They want to track your medical records.

The fact that they want to "screen" your mind, or better yet those of your children is not surprising at all. It's certainly disturbing but not at all surprising.

We are entering, or maybe I should say we have already entered a police state.

Welcome to the New America!

[praxiz]

31. I'm fairly certain I saw this in an X-files episode once.

:kick:

[LynneSin]

34. Several years ago my nephews school wanted ...

...to put my nephew on ADHD meds.

Thankfully my step-sister fought the schools and got a second opinion and it turns out he has epilepsy. She also made a conscious effort to cut down on the processed foods their family was eating (

This is the scariest shit out there. I use to work for Pharmaceutical lobbyists and although they were great folks to work for, I know how their system works. I know how these folks pressure state governments to pass legisilation to ensure their drugs are necessary for functioning. Now mind you, my old company does not put out any kind of drugs for mental use (although that may have changed in the past 4 years), but I'm sure the makers of Prozac, Lexapro, Wellbutrin, and all those ADHD meds are pushing the envelope to help drug our kids

[bacchant]

35. Mine is a fine madness, I'll be damned if anyone's going to fuck it up.

Lotus, soma, cool aid? We will be herded like cattle.

[seabeyond]

36. my 9 year old is brilliant, he is also so extremely obtuse

they wanted to drug him kindergarten on. i told school (private) no drug, we had to adapt to his learning style and over years work on his deficit, but absolutely would not resort to a drug

we dont have studies on long term use in kids
we condition kids to a drug world
it allows child to stay weak, instead of creating tools for deficit

the whole nation should stand up and refuse, as should the psychiatrist field

[iconoclastic cat]

40. YOU WILL COMPLY.

What is it with this country? Why exactly do so many of us feel mortally threatened by any deviation from our perceived norms?

By the way, I live in IL, and these laws haven't done a whole lot of good for people who are actually dangerous to themselves and others, so I wonder who is actually being screened.

[RhodaGrits]

41. "No Child Left Unmedicated"

This is terrifying. I just sent an email out to almost everyone I know. These people have to be stopped.

I feel like I'm living in an implausible science fiction novel and I can't wake up.

[Kanary]

44. One more kick for those who aren't too afraid to look at the future.......

:kick:

[salvorhardin]

47. Kick for a new day.

Everyone needs to know this.
:kick:

[neebob]

48. Where does it say the screening is mandatory?

Or even that everyone will be screened? Point me to a link that says that, and I'll be scared. I've read the executive summary of the commission report. It's a way to sell drugs. Beyond that, we have still have this thing called the Constitution.

[Kanary]

49. Did you read the link to the Illinois law?

It says very clearly there are NO exceptions.

You've lived with the misadministration for almost 4 years now, and you still think the Constitution would stop them from doing whatever they wanted to?

Kanary

[Tsiyu]

50. What are homeschooling options in Illinois?

I predict a lot more homeschooled kids and a mass exodus of parents and children and pregnant women from Illinois. This is beyond bizzare. And how the hell will they fund it?

This is SCARY stuff, people.

[Kanary]

51. I'm glad you're seeing now how serious it is.

If you read the article about Illinois, you see that *they* are now taking it very seriously, also.

Many are talking about leaving the state.

However, if * manages to do this nationwide, where do they go, then?

Again, I repeat.... we have to be ready to come together on this..... this is not solvable with individual solutions!

Kanary

[Dem2theMax]

52. Keep it up there folks.

:kick:

We ALL need to get involved in this. Talk it up to every parent, teacher, therapist, doctor on the good side (ours) that you know. And pass it on in emails to everyone you know.

[Wind Dancer]

53. This is insane!

We all need to fight this - who knows what the criteria will be, who is performing the evaluation and what the results will mean. What if the diagnosis is wrong? What if the parent or pregnant woman refuses to follow the treatment recommended by the commission? Things like this keep me from sleeping through the night.

God help us!