Dadcom Weighs In On Porter Goss (And A Heartfelt Request)

[matcom]

forgive our ignorance and please bear with me.

i called Dadcom and asked him what he thought of Goss. Dad didn't work with him or know of him. i told Dad that i had heard that Goss worked/headed up the counter espionage work with the Cubans during Nixon's admin. IS THAT TRUE?

I ask because Dadcom laughed at this. Said that entire opperation was a COMPLETE DISASTER due to incompetence. Said that EVERYONE they tried to send there/recruit was almost IMMEDIATELY exposed. it was a REAL black eye to The Agency at the time. :shrug:

the OTHER black eye was in the Eastern Block at the time. same thing happened there. did i also hear that Goss was in Europe for a while?

Dadcom was somewhat surprised to hear the fairly short time Goss was with The Agency. Said that there would have HAD to be AT LEAST 9 months of training and the first 3 or 4 years, agents "didn't do much" this is important to know how fast Goss moved up in the ranks and why

CAN YOU HELP ME/US DU?? I just read Ray McGovern's piece on Goss but need more "statistical information"

THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE

:loveya:

[matcom]

1. oh, can we also keep this kicked?

THANK YOU

[Ilsa]

2. Yep. This is much more important than the CNN poll

on Goss.
:kick:

BTW, sorry I have nothing to ad. Hopefully someone will be off work soon and can post something relevant.

Thanks for the info from Dadcom.

[Raven]

3. kick, kick, kick

for your Dad and all of us! :-)

[matcom]

4. c'mon. SOMEBODY has to know about this jackass!

x(

[blm]

6. My take on it is that Poppy Bush pulls alot of strings at the CIA over the

last 40+ years. I think it comes from the longtime Bush relationship with Dulles.

I also note that almost all congressional intel committees are stacked by Senators and Congressmen from either Florida or Texas.

Considering that those two states also had Bushes as governors and Enron had lots of former CIA agents working their security, I think it's a good assumption that there is a group of Bush loyalists working for the Bush family and its fascist goals instead of for the good of this nation.

I believe that Goss from Florida is one of the Bush loyalists, who will always put Bush's needs first.

I know it doesn't help with your specific question, but, maybe my take can raise an eyebrow.

[goclark]

26. Bingo! Poppy is Completely Behind Goss Choice

If the Democrats let this Goss character get appointed, shame on us.

Even if Kerry wins, it is but another strong hold for the Neo Cons.

We must get them OUT instead of continue to put them IN to powerful positions!

[blm]

27. Methinks Kerry has a team of good guys from intel working against the

Bush loyalists.

I expect a huge sweep of the intel infidels after Kerry takes office.

[BeHereNow]

5. Search this:

"Porter J. Goss" and "Council on Foreign Relations"
"Porter J. Goss" and "Trilateral Commission"
and this page:
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/whitewash.html

Birds of a feather, shit on the rest of us, together!
BHN

[leftchick]

7. Leslie Blitzer did a bit on Goss and the Cuban CIA work he did...

Goss made it sound like it was low level stuff but then mentioned something about "intrigue in the Florida Straits"?!? Whatever the hell that means. Anyway I would not take Goss's words on anything. He is a scum sucking waterboy for cheney. I would like information from someone who knew him while he was at CIA. Perhaps it is time for another leak from a patriot in the Agency?!?

[Algorem]

8. bush finally got smart.

[DUreader]

9. Goss Was Meeting With Taliban/ISI on 9/11 .a.m

First time I've posted in a while, hope it helps


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"Most controversially, Goss was having a breakfast meeting in Washington with the then ISI chief Mahmoud Ahmad at the exact instant the 9/11 hijackers flew their planes into the World Trade Center. Ahmad was a Taliban supporter who was subsequently removed from his job when he continued to bat for the outlaw regime post 9/11.

Some reports have suggested that Ahmad and the ISI had links to -- or foreknowledge about -- 9/11. A money transfer from Karachi to the hijackers in Florida has never been fully explored or explained. Ahmad was never called to account for this or his support to the Taliban post 9/11 even as General Musharraf moved him into the shadows."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-809840,curpg-2.cms


Thanks for the tip, htuttle!

Thanks for the tip, RebelYell

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2191523#2191712

[seemslikeadream]

10. Just going to post about same

DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-10-04 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #13

15. He was with Sen Bob Graham that morning


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

Eight months later on the 18th of May, two days after the "BUSH KNEW" headline hit the tabloids, the Washington Post published an article on Porter Goss, entitled: "A Cloak But No Dagger; An Ex-Spy Says He Seeks Solutions, Not Scapegoats for 9/11". Focussing on his career as a CIA agent, the article largely served to underscore the integrity and commitment of Porter Goss to waging a "war on terrorism". Yet in an isolated paragraph, the article acknowledged the mysterious 9-11 breakfast meeting with ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, while also confirming that "Ahmad :ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban":

"Now the main question facing Goss, as he helps steer a joint House-Senate investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks, is why nobody in the far-flung intelligence bureaucracy -- 13 agencies spending billions of dollars -- paid attention to the enemy among us. Until it was too late.

Goss says he is looking for solutions, not scapegoats. "A lot of nonsense," he calls this week's uproar about a CIA briefing that alerted President Bush, five weeks before Sept. 11, that Osama bin Laden's associates might be planning airline hijackings.

"None of this is news, but it's all part of the finger-pointing," Goss declared yesterday in a rare display of pique. "It's foolishness."

(...) Goss has repeatedly refused to blame an "intelligence failure" for the terror attacks. As a 10-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine operations wing, Goss prefers to praise the agency's "fine work."

(...)

On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. 17

[DUreader]

11. Does everybody know yet that Taliban was ISI?

And ISI was US anti-soviet asset?

[seemslikeadream]

13. Vital intelligence on the Taliban - Pakistan’s ISI

Vital intelligence on the Taliban may rest with its prime sponsor – Pakistan’s ISI

By Rahul Bedi in New Delhi

Pakistan’s sinister Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) remains the key to providing accurate information to the US-led alliance in its war against Osama bin Laden and his Taliban hosts in Afghanistan. Known as Pakistan’s ‘secret army’ and ‘invisible government’, its shadowy past is linked to political assassinations and the smuggling of narcotics as well as nuclear and missile components.

The ISI also openly backs the Taliban and fuels the 12-year-old insurgency in northern India’s disputed Kashmir province by ‘sponsoring’ Muslim militant groups and ministering its policy of ‘death by a thousand cuts’ that so effectively drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan and led to their political demise.

The goings on behind the ISI’s nondescript headquarters, located behind high walls on Khayban-e-Suharwady avenue in the heart of the capital Islamabad and its operational offices in the adjoining garrison town of Rawalpindi, have dominated Pakistan’s domestic, nuclear and foreign policies – especially those relating to Afghanistan – for over two decades.

The ISI chief, Lt Gen Mahmood Ahmed, who was visiting Washington when New York and the Pentagon were attacked, agreed to share desperately needed information about the Taliban with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other US security officials. The CIA has well-established links with the ISI, having trained it in the 1980s to ‘run’ Afghan mujahideen (holy Muslim warriors), Islamic fundamentalists from Pakistan as well as Arab volunteers by providing them with arms and logistic support to evict the Soviet occupation of Kabul.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/janes011001_1_n.shtml

[never cry wolf]

12. Here's some info

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Porter_J._Goss

[ItsMyParty]

14. NBC tonight

They talked about his missions in the Florida straights and how there were some interesting times there and then that he served in Europe after that but had to retire because of 'illness'. Then went to his bid for Congress, etc.

[SoCalDem]

15. Pipe Dreams: the CIA, Drugs, and the Media...Goss/Mockingbird

Dreams: the CIA, Drugs, and the Media
... The House Intelligence Committee is now chaired by Porter Goss (R-FL), a former CIA operations officer who still hangs out with Agency friends. ...
www.namebase.org/news16.html - Similar pages ---------


and this too..


http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/02-19-04/discussion.cgi.52.html
Members of the Coalition: John Edwards, John Kerry
... Porter Goss (R-FL), a former CIA agent. ... and former OSS veteran Frank Wisner, directed the CIA's infiltration of the US media, code-named Operation Mockingbird. ...
www.apfn.net/messageboard/ 02-19-04/discussion.cgi.52.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

[SpiralHawk]

23. Operation Mocking-frigging-bird !

Goss involved with infiltrating the media !?! WTF

And another Skull & Boner to boot, just what the nation needs.

Boners Uber Alles. Not.

[SoCalDem]

16. Porter Goss and the sugar industry

VegSource.com -- Cheney Cat's Paw, Porter Goss, as CIA Director?
... From: Bart (129.171.32.13) Subject: Cheney Cat's Paw, Porter Goss, as CIA Director? ...
www.vegsource.com/talk/flame/messages/2669.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

The Defeat of the Sugar Bill - February 2, 1996
... Representatives Porter Goss, Mike Bilirakis, Bill Young, Clay Shaw, Joe Scarborough,
Tillie Fowler, Sam ... me it was going to be easy to take on Big Sugar, but I ...
www.princeton.com/dmaneyapanda/sugar2.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

Sugar Deal Sours 'Glades Restoration Deal
... Some state officials and representatives of the sugar industry argued that ... Porter
Goss (R-Fla.) led successful efforts to craft legislation tying federal ...
www.npca.org/magazine/2003/september_october/news1.asp - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

Perspective: Bush's sugar-coated bill
Bush's sugar-coated bill. ... Just hours after their meeting with Struhs, two Republican
US representatives from Florida, Porter Goss and Clay Shaw, issued another ...
www.sptimes.com/2003/04/20/ Perspective/Bush_s_sugar_coated_b.shtml - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

Herald.com | 04/08/2003 | Bush: Sugar bill no Glades threat
... US Reps. Porter Goss of Sanibel and Clay Shaw of Fort Lauderdale cautioned Friday
that a sugar industry-backed proposal being debated in the state House of ...
www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/5581234.htm - 49k - Cached - Similar pages

Scoop: CIA Nominee's Dubious Links To The Terror Network
... anticipation of his nomination to the helm of the agency, Porter Goss, has carefully ... 1:43
pm Rosalea Barker Sugar-Free Confections Of A Democratic Convention 1 ...
www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0407/S00043.htm - 32k - Cached - Similar pages

LaBelle, Fl. Political Contributions
... LA BELLE, FL 33935 HC FINANCIAL CORP - PORTER GOSS RE-ELECTION ... 96 $4,850.00
LABELLE, FL 33935 ALICO INC - FLORIDA SUGAR CANE LEAGUE ...
members.aol.com/browne/labellepol.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

Members of the Coalition: John Edwards, John Kerry
... Porter Goss (R-FL), a former CIA agent. ... Graham is currently under fire from environmentalists
for his lackluster response to Florida sugar growers that want ...
www.apfn.net/messageboard/ 02-19-04/discussion.cgi.52.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

[SoCalDem]

17. Porter Goss HID behind his door.. (from the 9-11 Moms)

The Mom Cell

The four moms--Kristen Breitweiser, Patty Casazza, Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken--use tactics more like those of a leaderless cell. They have learned how to deposit their assorted seven children with select grandmothers before dawn and rocket down the Garden State Parkway to Washington. They have become experts at changing out of pedal-pushers and into proper pantsuits while their S.U.V. is stopped in traffic, so they can hit the Capitol rotunda running. They have talked strategy with Senator John McCain and Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle. They once caught Congressman Porter Goss hiding behind his office door to avoid them. And they maintain an open line of communication with the White House.



http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ICQ/is_2003_August_25/ai_106803558

[SoCalDem]

19. Graham, Goss seek inquiry into leak of Sept. 10 warning -

Graham, Goss seek inquiry into leak of Sept. 10 warning -

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-asecintel21062102jun21.story?coll=orl%2Dnews%2Dheadlines

WASHINGTON -- After angry complaints from the White House, leaders of a congressional inquiry into the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks Thursday asked Attorney General John Ashcroft to investigate leaks of classified information.-

U.S. Sen. Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees, made the request after receiving a phone call from Vice President Dick Cheney and holding a closed-door meeting with other members of their combined committees.-
Cheney called to convey President Bush's anger at press reports that the National Security Agency had intercepted messages in Arabic on Sept. 10 that seemed to warn of the attacks. They were not translated until Sept. 12, according to published reports citing "congressional sources" -- which White House officials went out of their way Thursday not to confirm.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. Who is Porter Goss?

http://www.unabombers.com/z28.htm
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/indus.asp?CID=N00002960&cycle=2002

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Goss was a member of Skull and Bones

He had the inside track to high position in Bu$hCo.

[nolabels]

21. Damn, DU is getting to be so fast with this stuff :^)

Thank goodness some people do their homework :kick:

[BeHereNow]

22. Read the Goss Legislation Bill thread

I posted Matcom-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2192072
In particular the text of the legislation provided in the link.
this has been in the workd for a LONG time.
BHN

[SoCalDem]

24. Porter Goss-Dana Rohrbacher(R-NUT)-Mahmoud-Taliban

Current Events and News from Afghanistan... Porter Goss, chairman of the committee, set up a meeting with the Bin Laden ... For 23 years, Commander Ahmed Shah Massoud, "The Lion of Panjsher," fought for the ...
www.gems-afghan.com/afgnews.htm - 67k - Cached - Similar pages
http://www.gems-afghan.com/afgnews.htm


snip....

The Honorable Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)
U.S. House of Representatives Floor Speech
September 17, 2001

Mr. Speaker, it is in deep sadness that I rise today to speak to my colleagues and to set down a record that I believe necessary to understand the horrible loss that we have suffered.

(snip......

The Talebans believe they have a private line to God. The rest of us, with our religious convictions, according to the Taleban, are not only wrong but evil. That is why they have been willing to give safe haven to the likes of Bin Laden, the Saudi terrorist who has been in Afghanistan for years training terrorists and planning out his attacks. Oh yes, Bin Laden has an army of several thousand gunmen who have been maurading around Afghanistan like a pack of mad dogs, fighting the to keep the Taleban in power. These foreign religious fanatics have killed thousands of Afghans. So the Taleban and Bin Laden are despised in most of Afghanistan.

For these last few years, the Taleban, with support from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, have captured control of all but a small portion of the country. Only the northeastern Panjshir Valley territory in northern Afghanistan and the Shamali Plains north of Kabul, under the control of a legendary and dashing leader, Commander Masood, remained free of Taleban domination.

The day before the attack on the United States, there was an attempt to kill Commander Masood. Although he was reported dead, he struggled for life another five days.

snip...

But why weren't we warned by others of the horrific attack about to be launched against us? There was a headline in the Washington Post on September 14th suggesting that America's intelligence services have been conducting a secret war against Bin Laden for a several years. If that is true, then we need to fire the incompetent leaders of that covert war because they were responsible for protecting us from this heinous and cowardly gang. Instead, there was no warning, yet we were told the heads of our intelligence organizations were focused on Bin Laden. We spend tens of billions of dollars annually for good intelligence and have tens of thousands of people committed to this endeavor. And they totally miss a terrorist operation of this magnitude run by their number one targeted terrorist leader. This was clearly the worst failure of intelligence in American history.

I can't help but remember a few years ago I was called by a friend who worked in Afghanistan during the war against the Russians. He indicated that he could pinpoint Bin Laden's location. I passed on his phone number to the CIA. After a week, when he had yet to be contacted, I called again. After another week of no response, I contacted the Intelligence Committee here. Porter Goss, chairman of the committee, set up a meeting with the Bin Laden task force (CIA, NSA, FBI). They, too, left my friend waiting by the phone. After weeks and weeks, my friend was at long last contacted. He described the agents who talked to him as somewhat disinterested. That may have been because by that time over a month had passed and the tip off was a little stale.

[SoCalDem]

25. Goss on China ..from 1999 KCET interview

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june99/congress_response_5-26.html


REP. PORTER GOSS, (R) Florida: Well, I think that China was spying as many countries do. So they are complicit, and they are continuing to try their espionage and they are continuing to try and pedal influence illegal in this country. But the fact of the matter is our defenses that were let down because we have a primary responsibility to protect our own most important secrets, weapon labs and our nuclear capabilities. We talk about the safety of the children. I can't think of a more applicable place to look than that for the future generations. And obviously, there were serious lapses and corrections are the first thing that need to be taken care of and I think the Speaker is dead on on that.

JIM LEHRER: So you think what should be done about this is mostly something that should be done internally within the U.S. Government, not externally in our relations with China?

REP. PORTER GOSS: Well, I think that the way we conduct our external relations with China is extremely important. And I think that the intelligence role in import-export policies is a factor that needs to be pursued. But I believe the major steps need to be taken domestically in the United States with regard to how we go about our counterintelligence, not only with Department of Energy, but in the other dozen or so agencies involved in the intelligence community that have these secrets and in dealing with the problem of law enforcement and intelligence resources who are tasked against those who are trying to steal our secrets. We obviously have not done as well as we should. There are lots of leftovers out of this report to track down. We've got several espionage cases DOJ is working on right now. There are people asking the question properly, what did the Chinese get for their hundreds of thousands of dollars of political influence money? What were they trying to get? Those are the kinds of things I think we need to know more about and then the remaining questions about Congressional oversight. Were we getting the same kind of candid information out of the administration on this subject as we deserved to have on the Hill? Or were there some problems? And there are some inconsistencies that need to be sorted out there so that our oversight does work so that we can be sure when we tell the American people that things are under control that we know what we're talking about.

JIM LEHRER: Now, Congressman Spratt, you were also on the Select Committee. If you had to cite one thing that you think would be the most important thing that should be done as a result of this report, what would it be?

REP. JOHN SPRATT, (D) South Carolina: We need a counterintelligence program that works. I've been involved with the DOE programs and with the labs for a long time. And every time I went to the labs back in the late 80's, early 90's, I came away with the impression they had a counterintelligence program. I thought they had one. Clearly, they had one with serious lapses in it. We have a bill - we'll be offering it as an amendment to the defense authorization bill on the floor when it comes up soon, which will codify the creation of this office and make sure the director of it is wired directly into the Secretary of Energy and then wired into each of the labs at the highest levels of the lab. But, in addition to that, if this is just a staff function, it won't be sufficient. The notion of security needs to be implicated in the people who work with the most secure things in the whole labs, the weapons designs. There needs to be a program - they have to convince them that this is not the responsibility of counterintelligence alone, it's their responsibility to enforce, carry out and make this program work.

more

[Elidor]

28. The question is, how hard will the dems fight this?

Do the GOPers have the votes to appoint him? What is the procedure for a CIA director? And how will this go down with the rank and file in the CIA?