At school My liberal 13 year old said None of your business today ! Ha !

[vetwife]

Our daughter came home from school and said, "Ya'll may be mad at me but today my Health teacher passed out a questionnaire and it asked me if I went to church and what church I attended and if I had ever had sex, and if I was a chrisitan and what does my parents do for a living and on and on..She wrote None of your business. Teacher called her up there and she said, I don't mean to be rude but my home life is my home life. My personal life is my personal life and none of those questions had anything to do with my studies. You better be glad you didn't give those questions to my Mom. She would have your job !

[flamingyouth]

1. I have seen the future of America!

And at last I have hope! Good for her!:thumbsup:

[Tight_rope]

120. Tell her I said. You Go Girl! A young lady with a mind of her own

is a wonderful thing.

[XanaDUer]

2. My god!

This a public school?

[TransitJohn]

3. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

Be sure to tell your daughter :yourock:

[Eloriel]

109. Hell, tell her to run for the Senate. No --

make that President!!

Awesome young lady you raised there. She could teach a lot of Congressional Dems a few things, huh?

[Baltimoreboy]

4. You raised her well

Good job to both of you.

What the hell school district is this anyhow?

[hippiegranny]

5. your 13 year old ROCKS!

not many children understand it's ok to question authority when they try to pull such blatant bullshit! I think this little girl's mom SHOULD have this teacher's job.

[oregonjen]

6. Good for her!!!

I can't believe a school would ask those kinds of questions. Is it private or public, not that it really matter, I guess. Just curious.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. You tell that grrl...

That she has a fan. Me. Ghod bless her tough little heart.

[rucky]

8. Good God, Vetwife, where do you live, anyways?

you always have the wackiest stories. Seems like another world compared to progressive Portland, Oregon.

can I make the TV movie about your life?

[vetwife]

12. Public School and I hadn't even scraped the barrell on stories

Yes you have permission to make a story..Georgia Public schools !

[Ducks In A Row]

64. well that explains part of it

great girl ya got there.

[alarimer]

83. good for her

I went to high school in Cobb County (Newt's old district) and it was ruled by fundies in the 80s. I am sure it is worse now.

[calimary]

9. KUDOS to your daughter!

What was the teacher's response?

[Eric J in MN]

10. was it an anonymous survey?

Did actually ask "Are you Christian?" or give a choice of religons?

Is this a public school?

[vetwife]

23. Nope...was not secret..Name age sex and how often race medical problems

parents income, all that crap !

[vetwife]

24. Ralph Reed country..I guess they are ready to start discriminating

AGAINST ANYONE WHO IS NOT OF BUSH WORSHIP !

[Ilsa]

87. I didn't know my parents' income when I was thirteen.

Amazing that they'd ask for private information like that. Maybe you should consider taking this to the principal and/or school board.

[vetwife]

89. She don't it either. I am the only one in the house who knows

and when we are asked..we usually just say 2.00 below Broke !
Red ink broke..Kinda like the country .

[VolcanoJen]

11. Posts like this, as well as my recent experiences...

... give me so much faith in America's youth. :D

You must be so proud, vetwife!!!!

[vetwife]

18. Oh yeah, I'm proud..We are raising thinkers ! Liberal thinkers !

She called her up there and wanted to know why she wrote that and she told her, It was none of her business. Her homelife was personal and it didn't matter if she went to church to a teacher.
Her parents had a job raising them and she had a job teaching and they were not the same job. And promptly sat down with the teacher left with no words to say. She will pay for that remark and I will have to fight the school system again. She got kicked out last year for being a free thinker but mostly because she won't say the pledge nor will I till there is EQUAL JUSTICE for all. We are christians and God in the pledge had nothing to do with it just the EQUAL JUSTICE. She is a handful and doesn't back down from what we have taught her.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

27. Are you kidding?

Did they seriously kick your kid out of school for not saying the pledge? Where I grew up, we didn't even do the pledge daily. When they did randomly remember to do the pledge, like maybe once a week, most people didn't say it or even stand up at all. Nobody cared, not even the teachers.

[vetwife]

29. Well they forced her out calling her names, I had to homeschool

her. They called her a liberal commie (kids did) and I spent more time at school than she did. They don't like opininated women or girls in Georgia. Ask Cynthia McKinney.

[Kanary]

33. Gawddess..... I see myself in your description of her, and what she's

going through. It doesn't get any easier, either.

I will just hope that she's had a lot more support in her life than I've had!

Kanary

[lanparty]

100. If they want to be patriotic ...

... they would read a passage from the Constitution every morning. Or maybe the declaration of independence. Or perhaps they could read the farewell address of Eisenhower or the Gettysburg address!!!!!

The mindless recitation of a pledge is neither intelligent nor patriotic. It's just stupid.

[Cybergata]

43. I can't believe they would kick her out of school!

The Supreme Court decided a long time ago that it is unconstitutional to kick a kid out of school for not saying the pledge. I don't say the pledge. The words make me angry.

I always talk my students about ow they feel about this issue. I ask them what the words mean. Most of them have been saying the pledge by rote since they were in kindergarten. They have never stopped to think about what they are saying. As a Social Studies teacher, I feel that we should all think about what the words mean and how we feel about them. I am always impressed by what both those in favor or against have to say. Thirteen Year Old people are just too cool.

My reasoning for not saying the pledge is pretty much the same as your daughters. I get angry with the words ..."and justice for all." I know that there are evil people out there that just have enough money to get more justice than other folks. When really sweet, lovable young, black, male students of mine tell me they don't like to go into stores because there is someone always following them around to make sure they don't steal anything, then "justice for all" just isn't easy to say.

also I follow the teachings of Buddha, and I work in an area that has children who follow every type of faith you can think of including devote atheists. Saying we are a country under God is very uncomfortable for some of these young people, and I hate that they feel forced to say it. Of course, I will not allow anyone to deny, by way of peer pressure or snide remarks. anyone from saying the pledge.
:hippie:

[NightTrain]

13. What the hell kind of a teacher would ask those questions of a student?

Your kid was right; it WAS none of the teacher's damned business!

[Tardisian]

14. Good for her!

Gal's got a good head on her shoulders. And polite about it, too! AND she's got a mom who also rocks.
:yourock:

[vetwife]

21. Thanks..She and I cross up because we are a lot alike......I am proud

of her standing up those questions, especially since this is her first year in H.S. scary stuff !

[Kanary]

25. I can imagine that it *is* harder with a child who is thinking for

herself. Raising a child to be her own self rather than a robot is never easy.

But, you have shown time and time again that you don't go for the easy pathy. :hi:

Well done!

Kanary

[vetwife]

63. I have to answer Rucky... can't make this crap up..there is just

too much of it...We live in the REAL SOUTH here and its getting uglier every day. I'd move but too many people in the house disabled and I want my Life and Country back !

[Kanary]

?????? I didn't mention *anything* about moving...

I sympathized with you..... it's hard.

I guess I'll just leave this alone now.

Good luck to you......

Hope you get some help from the ACLU.

Kanary

[vetwife]

75. I know that..sorry it came out wrong.....I know..I just think of moving

all the time. Never meant to imply you said that Hon...

[Kanary]

77. I understand your frustration completely!

believe me!

I get told to "just move" all the time too, because I live in an apartment where there is an abusive assistant manager. People REFUSE to understand that we don't have all the choices........ that we need ACTUAL HELP with this crap!

So, I understand, and I get the same thing.

Feel free to complain about it to me all you want, because I'm there too.

But, when I get what looks like an attack when I'm trying to be supportive, it just HURTS. I'm dealing with so much hurt already that I can hardly stand it. And, I can tell you, I don't get the support here that you do.

Kanary

[vetwife]

81. I'm a tough cookie ..You can email or pm me anytime..OK..I'll listen

Please...anytime. I know where you ae coming from and you are one of the best on here ! Well..everyoneis great but you really are a great person to have in one's corner !

[Kanary]

90. Hey! Flattery will get you *everything*. ^_^

Thanks...... I probably will.

I'm NOT tough, and have no to desire to be.

That's what people *love* to criticise about me. Unless, of course, they need my support. :-/

Let us know how it goes with your daughter! That teacher needs one HUGE comeupance!

Kanary

[wellstone_democrat]

111. Well, Kanary, *I* like ya

always have. You can disagree with a person and not lurch right into being an assclown... somedays on DU tht is a rare quality!

[Kanary]

113. What a funny day to get this message from you! ^_^

:hug:

Somedays it's a rare quality, indeedy. :hi:

Y'know, I try..... but I came here the same soft, caring, supportive person I've always been. After being told time after time to "toughen up", "grow a skin", etc, I'm now a lot less than I was. I guess that means "they" won.

For a number of reasons, I'm just hurtin', and there ain't no where to go with that..... certainly not here.

So, thanks much for the kind words...... means more than you know.......

Kanary, trying hard to be lurch-free.... :)

[Bake]

15. FABULOUS!! She rocks!!

You've obviously done a great job raising her!!

Bake

[Fridays Child]

16. What the hell are they asking those questions for in school?

And how many kids meekly answer them and never tell their parents because they have no basis for thinking such questions unacceptable?

[TrogL]

72. Fundies do it to attract new members

The principal either doesn't know it's going on or he's in on it.

Any student who fills one out will get a call from a fundie church inviting them to join or telling them they're damned to hellfire.

[liberalmuse]

17. We've just met our first female President!

Awesome! I love hearing stories where we see the results of parents who have taught their kids how to think critically, not just follow. Yes!!!

[Tardisian]

69. Yes!

And she sounds like the kind of person who'd knock a few of the fundies on their rumps! :)
I think the Kerry campaign should have her as one of their speakers, no?

[Cleita]

19. She's a great kid. You must be proud.

Seriously though, you should request a conference with the principal about this.

[RetroLounge]

20. What a great kid you've raised!

Kudos to all of you...

RL

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. I love kids and their honesty.

What the hell is the school doing asking those kind of questions anyway? :grr: She's right....it's none of their business. Geez. :eyes:

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

26. Why would the teacher hand out

such an odd questionnaire?

[vetwife]

28. She told Brandy it was to get to know their personality

Brandy said, after she knew how she felt she backed down and said
she was just trying to get to know them personally., that she did not mean anything by it. She probably realized she had run up on a problem. Backtracking. My vet and me decided tonight we may have our own qustionnaire to give her tomorrow. Same questions. Sex and how often Religion, Christian, what church do you attend with a note and say We just want to get to know our daughter's teacher's personality.

[Cybergata]

35. I like your idea, but please complain to the principal about this!

When I want to get to know my middle school students, I ask them what they like to do in their spare time, what movies they like, who are their heroes, what books they read over the summer, etc. I can just see me asking them about their sex lives. I would have (and as I should) a 100 parents calling up screaming bloody hell. I still think you need to contact the principal. :hippie:

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

50. I don't think those things have much to do with personality.

If she wanted to know about personality, why didn't she ask what kind of activities the kids do after school, favorite food, favorite subject in school, etc. ?

[anarchy1999]

52. That is it. Go to the Teacher tomorrow and ask the same questions back!

I'm so proud to know you. I just wish my daughter had 1/2 the heart, and mine is only just sixteen. You and your husband have much to be proud of.

[tom_paine]

103. I second what anarchy1999 just said!

:toast:

You do have so much to be proud of, vetwife!

Sending you some good vibes from North of Mason-Dixon!

[lanparty]

101. It's really a bit forward to ask people personal questions ...

... when you first meet them. A lot of people might wait to ask someone what religion they are until you know someone better. Who knows, you might find out that there are more important things.

No seriously, I've run into this shit before. People somehow think that a class or learning experience should include the "bonding" of reveling the "happiest day of your life" or "biggest achievement" to room full of strangers. No thank you this is how cultists operate (which isn't surprising since I go this from Mormon Covey's 7 steps).

[Cybergata]

30. I have 13 year old students like your daughter...

and we get along very well I might say.

I can't believe that any health teacher would be able to get away with asking such questions. These questions are "law suit bait." If I were you, I'd complain to the principal about those questions.

It may seem like a bad thing, to rock the boat for your child, but the questions sound like the health teacher has an agenda in mind. Asking if a child is a Christan and if and where they attended church....and well even if they had sex before are way, way out of line. I've been teaching for 29 1/2 years, & I believe that these questions are way beyond what is acceptable.

If students want to share any of this information, I'll listen and if they ask me not to share with anyone...well if it isn't something that puts the child in danger...I'll rfepect their wishes. BUT to flat out ask them to write an answer to these questions.....WRONG! WRONG! and a dozen more times WRONG!

:hippie:

[vetwife]

34. Well Well. thanks for that info..looks like I will pay a visit to school

tomorrow. GIt will be a miracle if I get her through school. She is definately not a robot. She has a mind and a mouth. Oh Lordie.

[Cybergata]

46. She'd be welcome in many a classroom...

here in Albuquerque. Those question would get a teacher into a heap of trouble here. :hippie:

[vetwife]

48. Now you see Georgia folks...Now you see ! Why we are a red state !

[Kanary]

55. Glad to hear that about Albq schools..... I grew up in Los Alamos

:hi:

I was going to reply to your earlier post that it all depends on the principal.

I know my parents complained about my 6th grade teacher, and got brushed off. (Then, of course, the teacher took it out on *me*, discouraging any further attempts......)

I'm guessing that with the racial diversity in Albq, there is a lot more awareness...

At least, I hope so......

Kanary

[vetwife]

56. Yep got an agenda..Son got a corporation in Texas..Right winged Bush Lover

[Kanary]

61. Kinda suspected.

It's very easy to say to "take it to the authorities", but if those "authorities" are biased, it's debatable just how much good that will do.

One only has to remember not too long ago African-Americans fighting many of these same battles, and just how much good it did them to "complain".

You're in a tough spot..... I hope it all works out well for you!

Kanary, with fingers crossed there is some hope with the ACLU......

[Cybergata]

65. Well...Los Alamos is...

a company town, and the company is the government. I really don't know anything about the schools in Los Alamos. During the 50s I was really young, but I do remember having to stop at a guarded gate before entering. We would go visit my father's uncle who worked and lived there. The guards would call my father's uncle up to identify us. It gave me the creeps.

I grew up in Santa Fe, and my parents would have raised hell over such a questionnaire. Anyway, if the principal doesn't listen, maybe the Superintendent will. I'm serious. I asked my husband what he thought, and he got very angry for you. If his daughter had be asked these questions, he says, he would be in the principal's office the next day. Good Luck :hippie:

[vetwife]

68. Thanks..We are upset too !

Not that it will do any good. They all know who I am here. They
know we are liberal and they know all about us. Stupid teacher is still stuck in the 50's.She must be new and fresh out of Texas. It warranted us to call the other kids in here and question them. We have a Kitty Killer next door, a Right winged truck driver on the other side preaching patriotism to us all the while I started a Veterans organization in 2000, a combat disabled VN Vet 100 percent backing Kerry (husband), a Democrat Minister (My Dad) who lives in the house with us and I am a thorn in this community's side. I have an editor who has gone round and round with me and one other DU'er on here and I am still fighting. Yep its a bumpy ride but I am one hard headed warrior and they know it ! The other Du guy lives in wisconsin and he and I take on the local editor all the time because he starts his stuff. Unbelievable ! They can't discount me. I was one of the 25 C-Span winners. I have been interviewed on a dozen radio stations, Slapped Katherine Harris verbaly in Oct. last year on CNN and stand up for vets andand advocate. yes I am a target. I put out a Get out the Vote CD and our family does attend church and our record is clean..So ...I am a mystery to these folks.....Especially when we got invited by Gore to his residence in 2000. They know who they are dealing with and now my kids have to take a stand too.

[Kanary]

70. I grew up with having "the creeps". ^_^

I wonder if I knew your father's uncle...... ?

For the rest, I think you may have me confused with the original poster.... I don't have a kid in school now, that was my own story of 6th grade.

My point was, if the whole town is that way, it's not likely you're going to get heard, and then you have to weight it against how they will punish the kid.

I think in these situations, the ACLU is the most hopeful. Would be even better if there are other parents unhapy with the intrusions, but that's not always possible to find, either.

It's just tough all the way around.

Kanary

[MountainLaurel]

122. Please update us

I'm dying to know what this woman's excuse will be when faced with a cogent argument about why this is utter bullshit.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

53. If you really want to cause some trouble...

If you continue to have problems with the school, get the local news media involved. It's a quick way to get results.

[vetwife]

54. I got a flash......The local media is more right winged than her !

They lurk here and trash all DU folks !

[Cybergata]

66. Or a law suit for infringement of a child's...

right to privacy. :hippie:

[Lerkfish]

92. not local, national media...

better yet, call the ACLU. the only way it will change is to go national. If the local media is involved, too much conflict of interest and too likely to have the same brownshirt mentality.

[Dukkha]

31. Hope is on the way

and it's in the form of a 13 year old's courage!

[Blue Gardener]

32. Now if we can get more adults to speak up!

She could be a role model for some people I know.
IMO she can be as rude as she wants when someone is asking a question they have no right to be asking in the first place.

[G_j]

41. yup,

she is a lot braver than many adults!

[Eric J in MN]

36. Is it a public school? nt

nt

[vetwife]

37. Yes it is and I brought her in here to give me the questions...

I want a copy.. This is from her memory.....

Here goes...

What is the name of your church?

Do you attend?

Are you pregnant?

If so how far along are you?

What do your parents do for a living?

Are you on medication?

What kind?

What kind of grades do you make?

What do you have to do for chores?

Parents names

Address

Phone numbers.
.................................

She gave an agenda on herself.....just got it.
She is a deer hunter
Sings in the church choir
Has the preacher preach to her music
Married 44 years
Collects teapots
Two sons and three gandchildren
Her son owns Westco Turbine Repair in Houston Texas
Mother Dead
Father alive
She is a Pink lady
Visits shut in
quilts
Husband retired
Runs the church sound system part time
She is a registered nurse.

[vetwife]

38. Read that crap I just typed above

[scarletwoman]

45. Sounds like a model "Christian Lady" -- they DO tend to be nosy...

Repression does such ugly things to people...

Bless your daughter, tell her she is a warrior for the Light. :loveya:

sw

[SemperEadem]

93. she's a "church lady"--a busybody noseybutt

[vetwife]

39. Who votes I send her my CD on Bush tomorrow? She will find out

about this family ?

[Downtown Hound]

47. You've got my vote

Let her have it. I remember taking "questionnaires" in school about sexual activity, but they were always anonymous and merely intended to form state statistics. Most of the students lied on them anyway. For her to ask these questions as a class project is WAY, WAY, WAAAYYY out of line. She is formulating in her head who is a good little child and who needs rescuing from the clutches of Satan. Not an OK thing to do at all, especially in a public school.

[Samurai_Writer]

71. These two questions gave me bad flashbacks...

Are you pregnant?

If so how far along are you?


----------------------

Typical questions of 'pro-life' groups who are affiliated with adoption agencies/facilitators. Such as Crisis Pregnancy Centers. I bet she's trying to kull her classes for pregnant girls to convince to give up their babies for adoption. I would not be surprised in the least. I had several teachers approach me when I was pregnant in high school with that same crap. This was in 1977-1978 in Houston, Texas.

[vetwife]

74. I am sorry Redfem.....She being an RN? hmmmmmmMay be on to something

Sorry for your flashbacks..Maybe a Baby adoption thing going on here.

[MountainLaurel]

123. Just what is a Pink Lady

I'm having flashbacks to the movie "Grease"

[vetwife]

126. A Pink lady is a candy striper at a hospital...volunteer....

[David Zephyr]

40. Yes!

And I hope that her teacher has a sleepless night for her actions were malicious.

Your daughter has a great moral compass and, obviously, a sharp intellect and can hold her own.

You must be very, very proud.

[Selwynn]

42. FABULOUS!!!

[wicket]

44. That RULES!!!!

Makes me have faith in the future :D

[LittleApple81]

49. My son did the same thing when he was 8! They asked him to write

a composition about his family and home. He wrote one very generic paragraph (I have a father, mother, sister, address) and as a conclusion he said: "That is all you need to know about my family. The rest is private."
I found out when we went to talk to the teachers for parent teacher conference!

[vetwife]

51. Where are you from Little Apple? And good for him !

[LittleApple81]

57. Originally from Colombia. And my children have been very opinionated

since birth! Sometimes too much for my taste.

[vetwife]

60. Oh yeah...its tough..They challenge ya...But we brought them

up to think...not be Stepford kids.....They do tend to get in trouble at home for questioning our authority and its a tough line to walk ..I'm telling ya !

[Kanary]

67. Yup, it's not easy to parent that way. As I said above, it's the hard

way to go.

However, usually a kid who is parented this way doesn't repeat the terrible twos in their teens. :)

A kid who is given lots of space to individuate doesn't have to rebel all over the landscape. :hi:

As the old saying goes, "If parenthood were meant to be easy, it wouldn't start with something called 'labor'".

Kanary

[LittleApple81]

78. Something I can say is that my children have kept my mind young.

I know that if I fosilize, I will be left TOTALLY behind (hard to keep up for a long time now). But I do admire the two of them. Both are citizens of the world, with enormous sensibility and humanity. I remember my daughter, when I was minding something she did, said "mother, you should feel proud that you and father brought us up this way and that we can make decisions as to what is important to us." One for her right there! And she was proven right later on... well, win some, lose some... and actually it made me happy to admit I had been wrong.

[Kanary]

88. How old was your daughter when she said that to you? Wish I could say

those things to others, NOW! :)

That is really great. Sounds like you have a really good relationship.

One aspect of maturity is being able to admit you were wrong. My father never once apologized to me -- not once!-- until I was 52. There is NO WAY that ANY parent can be completely right in 52 years! Talk about fossilized!

It's really interesting that this has come up...... last Friday, I went to a concert in the park with the man who was my shrink many, many years ago, and his wife. The music was jumpin' and a lot of people started dancing, including the kids. One little boy was really letting loose, and just going with the music. He wasn't looking very graceful, but was very free, so of course, he was getting laughed at. My former shrink was smiling at the kid, and said, "Kids are so marvelously free..... how do we f**k 'em up?" Then he looked at me and said, "Somehow you escaped that pressure, and you've paid the price for it."

My point is, you've done great with your kids, and the unfortunate side is they will also pay a price for being free. It's the sickness of this damned society. As a parent, it's very painful to see that happening to your child, and I was trying to say that that's the part I really understand. It just all sux.

Here's to a hope that your kids can raise kids to be healthy *and* not have to pay the price.

Kanary

[LittleApple81]

94. She was sixteen. And the decision she made was totally correct.

And we love each other a lot. And, yes, she suffered while growing up because she was not part of the pack... but now she IS SO WONDERFUL! SO SELF ASSURED! I remember one of the things that happened to her because we are not religious at all. And some of the kids at school did not want to play with her because she is an atheist (their parents did not allow them to come play at our house...ignorant swine).

I believe in my own God but since I cannot describe it, I cannot proselitize. One day my son was feeling down and thinking that there was no real purpose in life (when he was around 15). When nothing I said made sense to him, I told him that people with religion seem to find consolation in thinking in the afterlife and he might want to investigate religion... his answer: "I am feeling sad but I am not stupid." He started reading philosophy books and found Kant really interesting... it really helped him work through his sadness. But I remember I found him sitting on the sofa reading Kant and literally sweating... and he said "this sentence goes for an entire page!"

[Kanary]

96. Kant? At 15? Lordy! I just dabbled in Kierkegaard.... ^_^

Existential angst at 15 really sux. Of course, it doesn't get any better later on, either. :hi:

Yikes! LIghtening break!

Kanary, taking cover...

[LittleApple81]

98. Bye. Talk to you later! n/t

[Kanary]

114. That was one mighty storm! Wheeeee!

I forgot our chain of thought there, but..... was thinking while the lighting was crackling and the thunder booming.....

This is a piece of advice, and I really believe you get what you pay for -- my advice being free and all, so buyer beware. :hi:

I was thinking of your son, and wondering...... have you ever seen the book, "The Highly Sensitive Person"? I'm thinking he might meet some of those qualities, and if he does, it might help both him and you to understand some of it. If it turns out it doesn't describe him at all, it will also give you some understanding of others who *do* meet that description, so it won't be a total waste. :)

The book helped me to understand a lot of things, of both myself and others.

Just a thought......

Kanary, ever the book worm..... :hi:

[LittleApple81]

115. Thanks. I will check it out. n/t

[hippiegranny]

79. my partner is from Colombia too

she was born in Bogata and moved with her family to the States when she was only three, though, so she does not remember Colombia. But she is a spitfire and so is her son!

[LittleApple81]

80. Too bad she doesn't remember Colombia...Beautiful, troubled country.n/t

[zbdent]

58. Check the local law-enforcement web sites

to see if the health teacher's name is on the Sex offenders pages for pedophilia . . .

[Pithlet]

59. Unbelievable.

I can't believe a teacher in a public school could get away with this. Homeschooling is looking more and more attractive.

Good for your daughter for standing up to that crap.

[vetwife]

62. Wanna bet she spent her summer vacation praying for Moore in

Alabama with the Ten Commandment folks..we are only 23 miles from that state line !

[genius]

73. I knew a five year old who told his teacher off on the pledge

He said forcing him to say it was a violation of the First and Ninth Amendments. Smart argument.

[vetwife]

76. Wow..Last year they had her sign an abstinence pledge in Middle

School. It was Volunteer of course but if you didn't sign it., Well then you were a slut.

[vetwife]

84. That is some serious courage..a 5 year old ! Good for him !

[B Calm]

82. This teacher needs a TIME OUT!

[vetwife]

85. She is a fundie r -winger no doubt ! Gotta take her on for sure !

[Ilsa]

86. Totally excellent, vetwife!

We need more kids like this in our public schools, and more parents to back them up.

My five year old is pretty stubborn and fiesty. My guess is that if he ever gets a questionnaire like that when he is a teen that he'll write a few FU's on it along with the MYOB's. Then we'll be called into conference...

[vetwife]

91. That 5 year old sound like me at that age..I told my Mom that

I tuned her our when I didn't want to listen. LOL ....I normally got in trouble for such remarks but she laughed because she knew I did it. I was really strong willed and had a red bottom to prove it.

[montieg]

95. I'm a school counselor in Texas

and if we do any 'surveying' we have to have a permission slip from the parent PRIOR to the survey. And it can not be a generic form signed at first of school--has to be for a specific survey dated very near--'in a timely manner'--to the date of the survey. you might check with an administrator or counselor--maybe from another school-- who could give you solid info about Ga.

[cmd]

99. I'm a retired teacher from Ohio and montieg is 100% correct

Giving a survey like that would have gotten me fired. I'm betting this teacher will be in hot water before the end of the week. Go to the principal, then to the superintendent , then the school board. Don't let it drop. This garbage has to be stopped.

[Katarina]

97. Your daughter ROCKS!

Kudos for her for standing up to that stuff! I would be absolutely livid if I found out my childrens schools were asking that crap. That is none of their business. They are there to TEACH, not nose their way into the childs homelife. You should make up a similar questionaire and take it in tomorrow and ask that teacher and the Administration fill it out. I swear, schools go wayyyyyy too far these days.
Your daughter is a STAR in my book! Tell her we are all very proud of her.

[2bfree]

102. Wow!

I can't believe a teacher would be able to do that! Good for your daughter! I'm impressed!

[Democat]

104. Your daughter did the right thing, good for her!

:)

[Behind the Aegis]

105. great post

Before joining DU, I had read several of your posts vetwife. You can crack me up and make me cry (of course some commercials make me cry too! :). I love hearing about things you experience!

I am the son of a career military man, who was 'served' because they didn't want to give him a raise. He is now disabled (and driving my mom nuts). Therefore, I am very cued into vet affairs and needs.

Kudos to your daughter! When I stood up to crap like that in middle school in GA, I got to sit in the hall. But, my mom always took the administration to task!

Keep up the great work!!

[vetwife]

106. Thank you and welcome to Du! I want to take this opportunity

to thank all of you well wishers and Administrators and REAL EDUCATORS on this board who cared enough to give your input into this matter. This was a great reassurance to our daughter and another shot in the arm of fight for me to take on the school tomorrow. The C-Span bus is still coming to the school of my choice in October. I will have the perfect opportunity to make this stuff well known and will tell those in charge tomorrow of my plans to do just that. There had best be no backlash on my daughter for her attitude and this nosy busybody had better go to teaching and quit snooping. I am having a power struggle with one of the board members as it is because I did win the C-Span contest and part of the prize was the C-Span School bus coming out here to talk to me again. I have issues about Carroll County Schools teaching programs and they had better fear me as I won't hesitate to bring this subject matter into light. Check out C-Span.org and under 25th year winners look for my name Amanda Kato Temple Georgia.
I will tell the principle, the Board and this teacher tomorrow the light is gonna shine bright on them come October..Cross your i's and dot those t's... Ball is in My corner, my party. The world will be watching. I hope. I hope they tape that school bus event. I know the AJC will cover it. So they better really watch out..I am here and I will use this platform to make the case. Thank you all again !

[beyurslf]

107. Keep your daughter honest: Have that counselor's JOB!

[vetwife]

110. That is whats wierd..Not a counselor..Health teacher...

Thanks again !

[Dem2theMax]

108. Standing and applauding vetwifes wonderful daughter!

Tell her 'way to go' and when is she running for office? She'll have my vote when her time comes. :)

[WLKjr]

112. Awesome, I had two health teachers(if you want to call them that)

do that too a couple of years back. Some wrote yes to everything and a few of us in the small class started asking her stupid questions about her personal life and other pointless crap. Ended up messing up the class day. Tell your daughter WLKjr says :yourock: :headbang:!

[Razoor]

116. your Daughter rocks!

we really need more people like her to take a stand. no wonder Georgia is a red state I live in Ga. and isnt the state wide education system rated last in the country I think?
asking those type of questions was WAY out of line and none of that teachers business. I am very proud of her

[demgurl]

117. So whatever happened?

Did you go to the school today? I think what your daughter did was great!

[vetwife]

125. a lot ! She got in trouble for the questions and then our daughter

got into a tussle at school and they tried to suspend her and I raised all kinds of Hell and they didn't suspend her. I pulled out
all the stops and told them they were going to get more attention than they wanted. The Principal and Asst. principal assured me she would not be picked on and my husband and I both went to school.
HAven't heard from school today.

I knew the teacher whould just be reprimanded and ws also worried that daughter would feel the repricussions but now they know they gotta deal with us. They did and they were unprepared for that.
Showed the list of personal questions and asked if I could have the same info on each and every one of them. This was invasion of privacy and I would pursue through legal action if there was anymore trouble. They kept assuring me this would be handled. We'll see.

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[Tight_rope]

121. Getthem the freeper is on the loose....watch out all!

[wtmusic]

119. A ray of sunshine

as we slaughter Iraqis.

Give your daughter a big DU hug for us

[Sweet Freedom]

124. My first thought was sex offender

My heavens! Why would someone ask these questions??

"What is the name of your church? Do you attend? Are you pregnant? If so how far along are you? What do your parents do for a living? Are you on medication? What kind? What kind of grades do you make? What do you have to do for chores? Parents names? Address? Phone numbers?"

So now, this person knows where these children live, if they are on medication, if they are sexually active, if they do poorly in school, if they have someone to turn to at the local church, what type of job their parents have (persons of authority, those who work late hours).

I think I would bring up to the school board that these types of questions risk our children's safety. I would also want to know what the teacher did with the completed questionnaires. (They should be shredded.)

Do the other parents know about this? Because this is wrong -- no matter who you vote for.

[JHB]

127. Actually, Right Wingers hate these questionnaires too.

Oddly enough, it's usually Right Wingnuts complaining about these questionnaires: they've been complaining about them since the 1970's. Their interpretation is that it's part of the Liberal/Socialist/Satanic conspiracy trying to pry the kids away from the Lord's Way by inserting themselves between the child and parent and to give the child ideas he/she wouldn't normally be exposed to (like drinking, smoking, sex, drugs, etc. -- so they think).

http://www.conservativenews.org/Education/archive/EDU19981123a.html
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2002/mar02/psrmar02.shtml

The intent of the questionnaires is to draw a psychological profile which will allegedly help the school help the student (http://www.greencity.com/parentswin.htm) (and hidden in there may be some questions that are part of an academic research project), but to many people, they're just too damn intrusive.

It's worth keeping in mind that not every conservative criticism of the education system and its practices is motivated by greed-headed venality. The other side has won a LOT of converts over small issues like this.

[vetwife]

128. this was no survey...IT was questions made up by a health teacher and nosy

It also asked how much time do you spend with your parents? Well..she is on her guard now !

[JHB]

131. It still sounds like one of the questionnaires the RWers foam about...

...so I suppose she had the bright idea to "fight hellfire with fire" and made up her own version.

Well, good luck and kudos to your kid.

[vetwife]

130. Thanks for the info though JHB..I will send the Suit results tomororrow an

the lady is definately a right winger. She gave so much info on herself it was ridiculous ! We are just commie socialists, according to some who are just not in lockstep with our president. ROFL...The conservatives have met their match down here. Doni-Georgia is a teacher and I should have sent her those questions....
Hadn't seeen her lately......How about ya'll? I will probably pm here later. She knows what it is like here !

[Killarney]

129. Good for her!

That's great! :)

[LuCifer]

132. That's a lawsuit

I would have been right on the phone with the ACLU asap. That is completely UNacceptable in a public school.

http://www.ACLU.org

Lu Cifer

[vetwife]

133. I would have been..but this is Georgia..They would have appealed

to the biggestFundie conservative Court other than the Supreme Ct. The 1th Circuit is ridiculous. Many Many have tried to take their cases to court in Georgia and got nowhere and this was on disability cases. Firing and discrimination. Stuff like that. ACLU doesn't even really bother with Georgia.