I think Chris Matthews gets a bad rap on here

[Bogus W Potus]

I was just watching Chris on Hardball and he was really on our side. First he was discussing stem cell research with a Bush campaign spokersperson and a Kerry campaign spokesperson. He sounded very pro stem cell research and he was attacking the Bush guy hard on his bs points about morality with stem cells.

Fast forward to a first ladies segment happening right now in which Chris has on Gale Sheedy of Mother Jones, and Melissa something or other from Newsweek. Chris slammed Laura Bush HARD on her opposition to stem cell research and her denunciation of supporters of stem cell research claiming that this research could be revolutionary.

I watch him at least twice a week and he seems to take the liberal side on most issues, even though he did vote for Bush in 2000.

Maybe people who watched this segment can back me up.

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[Must_B_Free]

6. He's a fucking prick and an asshole

He shits on Tip O'neils memory.

A dimestore whore has more class that Chris Matthews.

He's worse than Hannity.

[Bogus W Potus]

7. Personal attacks are against the rules.

I alerted.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

11. Take a deep breath and grow a thick skin

people with low post counts often don't ge a lot of respect. Sad, but true. It's like the new kid in high school...

[Bogus W Potus]

12. Grow a thick skin?

You're joking, right? You don't think that post will get removed?

He told me to "shut the fuck up" and said that I was not on his "fucking side".

I've been here since February of 2001, reading articles in LBN and the discussions that follow.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

20. I know he wasn't nice

but again, it's an anonymous message board. The ignore function is your friend! :D

On edit-I AGREE with you. He just saw your low post count and let loose.

[Bogus W Potus]

22. I would ignore him, if I knew his name

Unfortunately, his name was removed with the message. Don't know quite what to do now. If you remember his name and want to PM me, I'd appreciate it.

[Bogus W Potus]

14. As you can see, that post got removed

I don't expect an apology from you for telling me to get a thick skin, but I wouldn't expect much from someone who would give me a response like that when all I was trying to do was start a discussion of this topic. This must be rip on me day or something. First I get criticized by someone for saying McDonald's should never have removed the Super size option at their restaurants, and now this.

Why do I even try? :eyes:

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[quinnox]

10. What a rude response

What got into your cheerios, sheesh.

[checks-n-balances]

23. I was just going to say the exact same thing when I realized that the mod

had removed his message. I was ready to compare him with O'Really's usual "Shut up!" response.

That was probably the rudest and most uncalled-for response I've seen here at DU, at least that I can remember.

[quinnox]

26. It was

No excuse for that type of rudeness, I'm glad the mod was quick to delete it.

[kysrsoze]

2. I have mixed feelings about him. I don't think he's all bad

Though I hate how he sometimes tends to suck up to whoever has public opinion on their side.

[Scairp]

3. He has some decent moments

But overall, he is just as dishonest as all the other t.v. millionaire pundits. He likes all that NBC cash stuffed in his pockets, and he won't do anything to jeopardize that.

[olddem43]

4. I have noticed a distinct change in his bias

since the Democratic Convention. I think he must have been impressed by Kerry, and he is obviously smart enough to see how dumb Bush is.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

5. Tweety blows with the wind

wait until tomorrow when he'll do a 180 and you'll be pissed off.

:eyes:

[Bogus W Potus]

9. You know what, forget it.

I start a thread with good intentions trying to stimulate a discussion and all I get are caustic remarks and someone telling me to shut the fuck up.

Last time I start a thread in here for awhile. :eyes:

[quinnox]

13. Sometimes people are jerks

I wouldn't take them too seriously. I'll apologize for them, heck.

[SayitAintSo]

15. Guess it worked ....huh.... ?

If it matters ... I know what you mean about Tweety... I do sense a shift - may be wishful thinking, but I still believe he's a whore at heart... I'll watch him anyway tho' ...

[kysrsoze]

16. Don't get too worked up about it. You should be used to that from Repubs

Some people in here tend to act like assholes. You have to stand up to them. Post all you want, but be prepared for some of those types of responses.

[Bogus W Potus]

18. Thanks for the kind response

I've seen it on here many times but it's kinda different when the vitriol is directed at you.

[kysrsoze]

19. Try posting about the Palestinian situation and watch fireworks fly

I give it all back, but back it up with facts. That's the easiest way to stop that crap.

[Bogus W Potus]

21. Which side of the Palestinian situation?

I don't really care about that area of the world because I don't have anything at stake there, and I've lurked enough in I/P to know that I don't want to touch it.

[kysrsoze]

28. In my experience, if you post anything positive about the Palestinians

or start talking about borders and land rights, you'll get a huge wave of people screaming at you.

[Bogus W Potus]

29. Really?

That's surprising. In my opinion the Palestinian side is better represented than the Israeli side in the I/P forum. It seems there are about 15 regular pro-Palestinian posters and 7 or 8 pro-Israeli posters. I could be wrong about this, however, considering I've never posted in that forum.

[kysrsoze]

32. You're right. But one side seems to be less inclined to do research

and consider peoples' arguments. Of course, you probably already know that. I'll just leave it at that.

[Cha]

33. I think tweety is bi polar and can't really be counted on

for continuing fairness..can be confirmed by his next outrageous outburst that we have heard about so many times in the past.

I like your user name. Very creative.

[kysrsoze]

35. Hey, thanks. Not too many people know what it actually means

I've been using that "name" for years.

[Bogus W Potus]

36. Kaizer Soze, maybe?

That would be my guess. Could be wrong.

[kysrsoze]

41. Bingo. Very observant of you

The Zorak face makes me seem even more mysterious. Do I really exist? Perhaps I'm a 1000+ post closet freeper just biding my time. He he.

[Cha]

51. Sorry, I don't know what your name means.

Please tell me.

But I was addressing ..Bogus W. Potus, sorry for the confusion.

[cidliz2004]

38. He has had a problem with drinking in the past

Maybe it isn't quite past. Maybe he is drinking sometimes. Which would explain him being all over the map on issues and possibly his lack of knowledge on some of the most basic information; such as the Dr and the swift boat story.

[Bogus W Potus]

39. Thanks for the compliment

:)

[kysrsoze]

43. BTW - congrats on the post. It's now on fire.

The fact that you get more than 30 replies is usually something to be proud of.

[Bogus W Potus]

46. Yeah I am a master of flame bait I guess

lol jk. I didn't really think it would get more than 5 or 6.

[Cat Atomic]

25. Don't take it too hard, Bogus.

That's just life on the rough-and-tumble internet, where everyone is 6'8". :P

I disagree with you, though. The biggest problem I have with Matthews isn't that he's more critical of Dems than Conservatives. It's that he's one of the most superficial "analysts" on TV. And that's saying something.

He completely ignores substance and talks about bullshit. He doesn't listen to his guests' answers, and rarely asks a follow up. He's everything I hate about what passes for political discourse on television.

And his voice is annoying as hell, too.

[Bogus W Potus]

27. His voice may be annoying,

but it's nowhere near as annoying as Hannity or O'Reilly's, I'll give him that much. Hannity takes the cake in the whiny voice category.

[Cat Atomic]

34. I don't think thesound Hannity makes should even called a "voice".

Hannity's definitely got Matthews beat there.

The first time I heard Hannity I thought, "God, how did this guy get a job in radio? He's got the whiniest, most aggrivating voice I've ever heard. He couldn't be more annoying".

And then I heard what he was actually SAYING with that voice, and was instantly proven wrong.

[cidliz2004]

31. Some people just plain OVERREACT

Matthews is a jerk too much of the time. I have seen him spin to the right and talk up the right side way too many times. When I say "talk up the right", I really mean putting down the left by playing the "skewed" clips and out and out lies against the left by the right.

One more BIG THING...All of the Friggin BUSH COMMERCIALS during the Matthews show! That really sucks!

Matthews, to me, has fun at others expense. He seems all about ratings and trying to show his superiority. Although a supposed former Leftie, he has really treated some of the Democrats and thier positions shabbily. One of the most recent and worst, was his cutting off Al Sharpton's speech at the Democratic Convention because Sharpton ran long. Matthews, immediately started criticizing Sharpton and then started talking about the infamous Tawauna Braley(?) case. Totally inappropriate.

[Reciprocity]

37. Sorry about the behavior of some of our members.

If you had watched Sharpton's speech and Treedy's reaction to it ,you wouldn't need to ask why some of us vacillate between admiration and disapproval of him. I watched today's show and was afixin' to send off a blistering e-mail about his critique of Teresa's speech when changed horses in mid-stream once again.

[cidliz2004]

42. You and me both

He irritates me to no end some times...too many times. I don't have much respect for him although I watch him because sometimes he has good guests on and sometimes he has some decent conversations on his show.

Apology accepted...use all of that passion against Mathews or Bush though.


P.S. Oberrmann is pretty entertaining and Lou Dobbs is pretty good sometimes to.

[kysrsoze]

45. Obermann rocks! I love watching his show. He's got balls.

[Bogus W Potus]

47. I enjoy Olbermann and definitely Dobbs.

Dobbs show is good because he talks about the bad effects of outsourcing. He is too hard on immigrants though. It's the classic paleoconservative position that if we just close our borders, we can protect jobs. I'm against that. I think we should let everyone who wants to come to America in because America's strength is our people. We have the most productive workers in the world for a reason.

I'm against this selective admission based on what country you're from. For example, the Coast Guard is more willing to let Cubans who come here stay than Haitians. Haitians deserve the right to stay here also. I say let them all stay.

[ant]

17. I lost all respect for him last night

In discussing the Swift Boat thing, when someone pointed out that the doctor in the ad wasn't the one who signed any of Kerry's records, he asked - with complete sincerity - "really?" (or "is that true?" - something to that effect) He went on to say that "if" that was true there was certainly a problem with the ad.

Mind you, this was at least the second time that I've seen him cover this issue on his show, and the fact about the doctor in the ad has been out since pretty much the beginning of the "controversy." The fact that he didn't know this told me that this man doesn't even bother to do the most basic research on these issues. And forget about doing the research just so he can, you know, do his job effectively - how can he have an opinion on an issue when he is so obviously not even misinformed, but UNinformed?!

He may be on the "right" side of stem cell research, but most people are. What's more, I'll give him credit for some amount of honesty - when he learned about the doctor in the ad he was willing to say flat out that that cut into the ad's credibility. My problem with him is not so much his politics but his very obvious laziness when it comes to educating himself about the issues he has a whole show to talk about. Can't they even get an intern or something to research this stuff for him? Hell, I'll volunteer myself as fact checker for him if necessary.

What a waste.

[MissouriTeacher]

24. I said the same thing the other day...

I don't think he's all that bad most of the time. Although I didn't know he voted for Bush. :puke:

He's always been against the Iraq war, and I also saw the bit you're talking about with his slamming Laura Bush for her talk on stem cells.

After watching his coverage of the convention, I do think he was impressed by Kerry.

[kodi]

30. true, he was exceptionally fair during sharpton's convention speech

not.

tweety is a shaper of conventional wisdom, which is unfortunate since he has shown no intellectual consistency that would reveal core values.

[NightOwwl]

40. This is not a politically correct statement...

but sometimes I think he's borderline retarded.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

44. Tweety even said "i voted for bush"!...nuff said

[Cha]

53. That's evidence right there that he's not

a man of vision or even a student of history!

[AmerDem]

48. I think you are wrong!

[dennis4868]

49. Tweety....

was not normal during the clinton years and during the 2000 election....he had such hate for Clinton and Gore...it's like Clinton and Gore raped and killed his wife or something....he was incredibly unfair to Clinton during the Monica ordeal and was even more unfair to Gore during the 2000 election....he was falling in line with all the right wing talking points (i.e., gore invented the internet).

I will never forgive Tweety for this.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

55. exactly! ...nor can i forgive Tweety for that...

"he had such hate for Clinton and Gore...it's like Clinton and Gore raped and killed his wife or something....he was incredibly unfair to Clinton during the Monica ordeal and was even more unfair to Gore during the 2000 election....he was falling in line with all the right wing talking points (i.e., gore invented the internet)."

[freetobegay]

50. He gets a bad rap here because he deserves it!

I can;t believe that asshole ever worked for Tip O'Neil

[onecitizen]

52. Dude, you need to watch..........

his show(s) more often. You caught him on a day when he was more angry about Laura than Dems. Trust me on this: it's usually the Dems that's on his sh-t list.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

54. the problem is he goes whatever way the wind is blowing

When Bush is popular, he loves Bush, when Bush isn't, he's tough on him.

He is the worst type of journalist, he keeps telling people what they want to hear rather than the truth. He views the whole political system as a game, and doesn't take it seriously. He doesn't believe in truth, but just BSs both sides. he's horrible.

[Pallas180]

the problem is he's in love with the sound of his own voice, & never

gives his guests, who are far more interesting than he is, a chance
to answer his question...he's so damned rude always interrupting something you'd like to hear...that I once e mailed and told him
to shut up so someone could hear what his guest have to say...he did=
for about three days....once he also admitted that the producers had
told him to stop talking over people.

Yeah I like Olbermann, he's got guts and doesn't care whose toes he tells the truth about...

And Lou Dobbs is a one man grassroots organization.

The rest of CNN and MSNBC suck on the same level as Faux

[Cha]

59. I read that howie fineman got in trouble with

tweety because he said that tweety's show on basic cable works better than the one on msrnc becuase tweety doesn't shout at his guests..ooops!

[Pallas180]

56. the problem is he's in love with the sound of his own voice, & never

gives his guests, who are far more interesting than he is, a chance
to answer his question...he's so damned rude always interrupting something you'd like to hear...that I once e mailed and told him
to shut up so someone could hear what his guest have to say...he did=
for about three days....once he also admitted that the producers had
told him to stop talking over people.

Yeah I like Olbermann, he's got guts and doesn't care whose toes he tells the truth about...

And Lou Dobbs is a one man grassroots organization.

The rest of CNN and MSNBC suck on the same level as Faux

[tblue37]

57. tehre is only one thing I like about Tweety:

without him there would be no wonderful Darryl Hammond parodies of Hardball on Saturday Night Live

[BiggJawn]

58. Yeah, but let somebody mention BILL CLINTON or HILLARY...

...and see how long he stays on "our side".

He's a Ho. If he's Liberal, then pass me a Doobie, I'm a Libertarian....

[FredScuttle]

60. Sorry....not buying it

there are a million reasons to detest Tweety (outlined by posters here), but, for me, the nadir of Tweety's TV clowning was his interruption of Rev. Sharpton's address at the DNC to launch into a hysterical, screeching rant that served no other purpose than to slander and defame Sharpton WHILE HE WAS STILL DELIVERING HIS FRIGGIN' SPEECH!

I can forgive and forget a lot, but that was the single most disgraceful act I have ever witnessed from a TV pundit. Tweety is an outright disgrace.

[k in IA]

61. I watch him all the time and I think you are right. You were brave to post

this because I have thought this before but just not been in the mood to become a DU punching bag.

I have been sucker punched before from out of nowhere and didn't like it (although I would have known it was coming if you were going to say something nice about Tweety or just about anyone in the press who isn't an advocate for the Dem's).

He really pisses me off sometimes but I don't expect to agree with him, or anyone, all the time.

[Bush was AWOL]

62. He's on our side this time

but barely. For some reason he does not like Clinton or Gore. However, I think he supports Kerry, but is not making it as obvious as some would like here.

[AmerDem]

67. He supports the Shrub!

He voted for the shrub in the last election. Besides, I guess you didn't watch his Democratic convention coverage. If you had you wouldn't have made those comments!

[shindig]

63. Don't let tweety fool you

It's the people who think Chris Matthews is on our side who aren't paying attention. Granted, he will throw a punch at the other side. But most of his snide remarks are for Democrats.

He didn't slam Laura Bush. He said someone else is at fault for having her say that. Standard Bush protectionism. Laura Bush is wonderful. Her handlers are messing up. This stuff is subtle but it's the whole of ball of wax, believe me.

Two nights ago, he used the phrase describing bush..."At least he's real." This means by implication, that Bush's opponent, John Kerry, is somehow not real or unreal.

This is the worst slap. It's subtle, but it appeals to lowest common denominator (and a lot of voters). They won't for someone who is "unreal."

When we lose, like we did in 2002 and 2000, it's because this type of stuff sticks. Tweety is still doing it. If we win, when we win, it's because it ain't sticking to us. Tweety is all about Bush, bottom line. He voted for Bush. He thinks Bush is real. He just loves that phoney fly-guy suit. Don't be fooled by Tweety!

[Fleshdancer]

64. I don't think he plays to a certain political ideology......

I think he just plays to ratings. I don't like him because he talks too damn much and cuts people off when they try to answer his questions. I don't like his style. For me, it has nothing to do with politics.

[LTR]

65. I agree

Tweety isn't as whorish as some may suggest. A reporter or talking head is supposed to ask tough questions, so long as it doesn't get transparently personal.

He's good at playing it fair, but I do think he has too many sexual hangups that need addressing. He sometimes asks some pretty weird questions.

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Did you watch the Democratic National Convention?

OMG....Tweety's coverage was SHAMEFUL. He has been kissing the chimp's ass ever since he stole the election. He cheered on the illegal invasion of Iraq. He HATES Bill Clinton because Clinton didn't give him a position in the WH and he has a antaean, behemothic, Brobdingnagian, Bunyanesque, colossal, cyclopean, dinosauric, elephantine, enormous, gargantuan, giant, gigantean, gigantesque, gigantic, Herculean, heroic, immense, jumbo, leviathan, lusty, mammoth, massive, massy, mastodonic, mighty, monster, monstrous, monumental, mountainous, planetary, prodigious, pythonic, ||swapping, Titan, titanic, tremendous, unfathomed, untold, vast, walloping, whacking, whaling, whopping;


MOUTH! He NEVER shuts up. He's rude. He interupts his guests so they never get to complete a damn sentence and his EGO is as big as his friggin' mouth. Tweety sucks.

[rpannier]

69. Chris Matthews savaged Al Gore

all through the 2000 campaign. He savaged Bill Clinton from 98-01. And he is a registered puke. Chris Matthews is a punk!

[Maeve]

70. He's not a liberal, but he plays one on tv

He is part of the re-definition of "news" as personality and opinion that has led to the poisoning of civic dialog in the country. He follows the neocon path of questioning the patriotism of Democrats and is more concerned with his image than with the truth.

You can find out more about him on the Daily Howler website or by reading David Brock's "The Republican Noise Machine".