Indira Singh/PTech deep moles in FAA help accomplish 9/11! WTF??

[buycitgo]

I just heard about this story on the radio the other night, and it's mindboggling, at least as much from the standpoint that it's probably WORSE than the Sible Edmonds tale, AND that it's not being discussed much here

I can't believe I haven't seen it discussed here, or am I just going senile?

LOOK at this, from two friking years ago, almost!

Mr. JOE BERGANTINO (Reporter, WBZ-TV): The worst-case scenario is that this is a situation where this was planned for a very long time to establish a company in this country and in the computer software business that would target federal agencies and gain access to key government data to essentially help terrorists launch another attack.

ARNOLD: Part of what concerns experts is the nature of Ptech's software. They say it's used to broadly assess strengths and weaknesses across organizations.

Ms. INDIRA SINGH (Risk Management and Computer Systems Consultant): The Ptech consultants and employees come into contact with the most sensitive information in an organization.

ARNOLD: Indira Singh was one of the first people to raise alarm about Ptech. She's a risk management and computer systems consultant. Singh was working with a major Wall Street bank and was thinking of using Ptech's software and consulting services. While checking on the company, she talked to an ex-employee. She says that person told her that some people at Ptech were concerned that one of its central investors was Yasin al-Qadi, who the FBI suspects of financing terrorist groups. Singh says she was told that at least several other employees and executives had ties to organizations suspected by the US government of funding terrorism. Singh says given that Ptech was doing work for the FBI, the Air Force, Navy and a host of other agencies, she became very concerned.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/021208-secure01.htm

there's is a TON of material on this

it involves, again FBI malfeasance/collusion, ties to Saudi financing of terrorism........you know, the USUAL. but I have NEVER heard this story, though I'm sure it's been discussed here....I just missed it, I guess

Daniel Hopsicker, who's one of those who blew the lid on that plane out of Florida, and the CIA connections to Atta's flight school (also ignored by mainstream hoes), has some interesting material on the whistleblower Singh, who, incidentally, lives near the WTC, helped during the week after, and is now ILL from breathing that air Christie Whitman assured all was perfectly safe. Now that I think of it, I HEARD her on the radio.....Sirius Left
http://www.madcowprod.com/index45.html

please follow up on this, or put some earlier threads up on this

thx

[Minstrel Boy]

1. Thanks for resurrecting the PTech story!

I posted this in February, after I read Hopsicker's piece:

Al Qaeda financier's company had FAA access, was protected by FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1087911

I don't know if his video interview with Singh is still online, but in it, she tells, chillingly, how JP Morgan Chase's Chief Auditor said, repeatedly, as she answered his questions about who supplied her with what information, "that person should be killed." Talk about intimidation.

"He basically told me to keep my mouth shut and look the other way."

[buycitgo]

3. hahahahaha..........I KNEW you'd have the goods

what, do you not sleep/eat, or anything?

amazing

the Kerry campaign should hire you pronto!

thanks!

isn't this an amazing story? just happened to be flipping around on the radio last night when I heard this

sounds a lot like Sibel Edmonds, doesn't it?

the 911 families have made that connection, from some of the sites I've come across

[starroute]

23. There was a thread on PTECH and al-Qadi back in January 2003

I saved the file, not the URL, at the time, and I don't know how to get back directly to anything that old -- but here's a link to the printer-friendly version:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=printer_format&om=10807&forum=DCForumID61


Here's one story linked to from that thread:

The client list of this software firm called P Tech reads like a who's who of federal departments involved in national security.

P Tech customers include the Army, the Air Force, the Naval Air Command, the Congress, the Department of Energy, the FAA, the IRS, NATO, the FBI the Secret Service and even the White House.

P Tech's specialty -- something called enterprise architecture, blue printing what's inside an agency or business's computer system.

In a five month investigation, the I Team has uncovered a web of connections linking P Tech to individuals and organizations that federal authorities believe have been financing terrorists, including Osama Bin Laden and because of those links, security experts are now concerned that terrorists might have gotten access to key government data that could be used to launch an attack.

http://wbz4.com/iteam/local_story_343145212.html


And here's another:

Although the CIA had a secret list of 12 prominent Saudi businessmen accused of continuing to funnel millions to Osama bin Laden, ABCNEWS has learned that the FBI may have dragged its feet in following the Saudi money trail.

The list of the 12 names has been in the hands of the Saudi government for the last nine months, ABCNEWS has learned.

One of the men on the list is Yassin al-Kadi, a Saudi multimillionaire involved in banking, chemicals, diamonds and real estate.

But ABCNEWS has now learned that the FBI shut down the investigation on al-Kadi two years ago.

The closure of the investigation came even after allegations that the Saudi businessman may have helped finance the 1998 attacks on two U.S. embassies in east Africa.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/DailyNews/saudi_021126.html


And another:

"Vulgar Betrayal" was the first operation that culminated with the use of civil forfeiture laws to seize the U.S. assets of terrorist groups. The confiscated funds were directly linked to Saudi Arabian businessman Yassin Kadi, also known as Yassin al-Qadi, who has since been identified as one of the "chief money launderers" for Osama bin Laden.

Investigators believe he provided as much as $3 billion to the al Qaeda terrorist network before Wright's investigation closed his operations.

Wright says that FBI management "intentionally and repeatedly thwarted and obstructed" his attempts to expand the investigation to arrest other terrorists and seize their assets.

On August 4, 1999, the FBI removed Wright from the "Vulgar Betrayal" operation, which was terminated shortly thereafter. All but the final three pages of his manuscript were completed in the following months. Those pages were added after Sept. 11.

http://www.cnsnews.com/nation/archive/200205/nat20020530d.html


And there's also a link to an earlier DU thread on the subject at http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=21289&forum=DCForumID60&omm=0


Just one more good scandal that's been swept under the rug . . .

[buycitgo]

2. how much of this comes down to the MONEY?

But it’s the unreported story that has the potential to lead to the explosive charge that the FBI’s role in the 9/11 investigation itself needs investigation.
Ptech’s customers included sensitive government and intelligence agencies such as the FBI and the Air Force. “But until last fall,” the GLOBE reported on Jan. 22, 2003, “few seemed aware an early financial backer of Ptech was Yasin al-Qadi, a Saudi businessman named as a suspected terrorist financier by the Bush Administration in October 2001.”

Reports of ineptitude at FBI headquarters have already surfaced in numerous places: in Phoenix, Chicago, and Minneapolis, for example. What makes reports of the Boston FBI’s bungled investigation into Ptech different is the unmistakably dark suggestion that this poor performance may have been intentional.

Why would the Boston FBI do such a thing? Maybe because they were shielding a money laundering vehicle, goes the allegation, that was created back in the 1980's as part of the CIA’s program of arming the Afghan mujahedeen.
http://www.madcowprod.com/index45bb.html



remember that one of the FIRST things Bush did was to basically GUT offshore money laundering investigations, including stymiing the REAL John ONeill's efforts to follow the money, causing him to QUIT the FBI in frustration?

[buycitgo]

4. from an interesting timeline I haven't seen

http://www.geocities.com/spdster2003/timeline23.html

December 5, 2002: Federal agents search the offices of Ptech, Inc., a computer software company in Quincy, Massachusetts, looking for evidence of links to bin Laden. A senior Ptech official confirms that Yassin al-Qadi, one of 12 Saudi businessmen on a secret CIA list suspected of funneling millions of dollars to al-Qaeda, was an investor in the company, beginning in 1994 (see October 1998 and November 26, 2002). Some of Ptech's customers include the White House, Congress, Army, Navy, Air Force, NATO, FAA, FBI and the IRS.

A former FBI counter-terrorism official states, "For someone like to be involved in a capacity, in an organization, a company that has access to classified information, that has access to government open or classified computer systems, would be of grave concern." Yacub Mirza - "a senior official of major radical Islamic organizations that have been linked by the US government to terrorism" - has recently been on Ptech's board of directors.

Hussein Ibrahim, the Vice President and Chief Scientist of Ptech, was vice chairman of a now defunct investment group called BMI. An FBI affidavit names BMI as a conduit to launder money from al-Qadi to Hamas terrorists. The search into Ptech is part of Operation Green Quest, which has served 114 search warrants in the past 14 months involving suspected terrorist financing. Fifty arrests have been made and $27.4 million seized. Al-Qadi's assets were frozen by the FBI in October 2001 (see October 12, 2001). That same month, a number of Ptech employees told the Boston FBI that Ptech was financially backed by al-Qadi, but the FBI did little more than take their statements. A high level government source claims the FBI did not convey the information to a treasury department investigation of al-Qadi, and none of the government agencies using Ptech software were warned. Indira Singh, a second whistleblower, spoke with the FBI in June 2002 and was "shocked" and "frustrated" when she learned the agency had done nothing. Beginning in mid-June 2002, WBZ-TV Boston had prepared an lengthy investigative report on Ptech, but withheld it for more than three months after receiving "calls from federal law enforcement agencies, some at the highest levels."

The station claims the government launched its Ptech probe in August 2002, after they "got wind of our investigation" and "asked us to hold the story so they could come out and do their raid and look like they're ahead of the game."

HERE:
http://www.geocities.com/spdster2003/timeline1.html

there's no link from these sites, but if you go into the URL and replace the numbers after "timeline," you can start at "1" and go on to the end

the one I linke, 23 is, well, the 23d.

dunno how many more, but this thing looks AWFULLY well-documented

comparable to the Thompson one, perhaps?

[buycitgo]

5. cool BFEE spiderweb chart, from MB's thread

[buycitgo]

6. WOW....Rose Law firm to Jackson Stephens, to HARKEN

to PROMIS/Inslaw

can you say megaOctopus?

in memoriam: Danny Casolaro, Steve Kangas, Jim Hatfield

who else?

http://www.bushbodycount.com

thanks to bitchkitty.....only partially tongue in cheek here with ref to BBC

[buycitgo]

7. OK.....flying right off the edge here, I saw this, based on that web

COLUMBIAN DRUG CARTEL AND SILVERADO SAVINGS
Ted Shackley (CIA goon, involved in lots of dirty deals) was one who had taken over the Columbian Drug Cartel in the 1980-1990s. I Stew Webb was held as a political Prisoner in 1992-1993, on false telephone death threat and harassment chargers against my former father in law Leonard Millman Bush Crime Family Boss Hog who owned Silverado Savings and Loan of Denver were Neil Bush, George W. Bush's brother was a Director. Those charges were dismissed with prejudice, this was to silence me. While held as a Political Prisoner I was in the company of many Iran Contra Shadow Government Players, and Drug Lords, including one of the Columbian Escobar Family Members who had been importing Narcotics for the Bush's for years.

He suddenly was jailed and many of his family were killed when Shackley and Bush decided to take over the Columbia Drug Cartel Operations and cut the Columbians out of the Picture. Bush Sr. has been notorious for never paying his Crime Syndicate members. Millman had laundered nearly 12 Trillion Dollars of Narcotics monies through Silverado Savings and Loan with Neal Bush over an 8 year span. This is a ton of money that bought up American Corporations and Wall Street Stock, including CITI Group aka as CITI Bank the Worlds largest Corporation, with Bush and Millman's CIA Council Norman Phillip Brownstein now Director. (CITI CORP is were the missing Enron Monies went, that is a story for later) Brownstein further was a Director of MDC the parent of Silverado.

Many of the Bush Crime Family Drug Runners which I was jailed with told me and supplied evidence that they were paid with Artificially created stock from Leonard Millman's Nation Brokerage Company a subsidiary company of MDC Holdings, Inc. 3600 Yosemite, Denver, Colorado. MDC was the parent company of Silverado Savings. MDC owned National Brokerage, National Brokerage's subsidiary was Blinder Robinson, America's largest penny stock brokerage firm in Denver run by Meyer Blinder and Marty Greenberg who now head's AIG American Insurance General. AIG, and is vice president of The Council on Foreign Relations, a New World Order think tank and Organization bend on the destruction of America, the United States Constitution, and dictates what American's top Government Officials can and cannot due. National brokerage would issue the fake stock for the smugglers to put up as collateral for the loans.

BLINDER ROBINSON AND NEIL BUSH
Neil Bush would make a loan from Silverado, with the stock pledged as collateral and a non recourse loan, meaning if it were not paid, you the Tax Payer picked up the tab, which was exactly what happened and was designed this way to pay the drug runners. This way The Bush Crime Family Boss Hogs made more money for the New World Orders Gray Men's Empire. The Gray men are the 100 Knight Templars International Bankers today, aka know as the Council of 13, Illuminate, etc, George H. W. Bush and Leonard Millman both being each at the top 100. If you will go to http://www.stewwebb.com see: Federal Grand Jury Demand against the Bush Crime Family filed July 3, 2003 in Denver Federal Court by Stew Webb Federal Whistleblower, you will see a Grand Jury Demand regarding Narcotics Trafficking and other Crimes that relate to this story.

fwiw
http://www.stewwebb.com/CIA%20Bush%20Crime%20Family%20Drugging%20America.html

I know, I know, New World Order and all that booga booga, but what if this stuff is TRUE?

[Minstrel Boy]

10. I don't know about Stew Webb.

Still, there are an awful lot of people saying all kinds of terrible things about the Bush family. Some appear to have disturbed personalities. A number, probably, were unhinged to begin with; others, I believe, became unhinged by the evil with which they were confronted. I don't know which Webb is.

Another one: Michael Boren Williams, former Campaign Manager for Senator Gary Hart and, he says, George HW Bush's attempted murder victim. He says "George Bush is a satanic, sadistic, brutal monster." (http://www.beachnet.com/~hoffman/Bush.html) Williams' home page is here: http://www.kmf.org/williams/

Margie Schoedinger falls into this category, too. She filed charges of rape against George W Bush, and was called crazy for it, simply because her accusations were so outrageous. Perhaps, instead, they were outrageous crimes. Like shooting her in the head, after she said she feared for her life.

[buycitgo]

12. and, in those stories, you have the crux of the problem

it's twofold, really:

one) some of the things they've done are SO outrageous, that they seem capable of anything. so when they're accused of some outlandish crime, like the Schroedinger murder, though it's plausible, based on other, proven depredations, hardly any reasonable person (can we talk legal standards here?) would be willing to go down that road----course it's different if you have insinuations along the lines of the Clinton Chronicles---Vince Foster's MURDER merits TWO, not one, TWO special prosecutors!!!

two) they've committed SO many crimes, political, financial, treason, you name it, that it's impossible to keep up. Once one gets partially revealed, another one, hydra-headed, pops up, to distract from the THOUSAND that have appeared before

they really need to have a FULL TIME prosecutor assigned to that family

THAT should be a Kerry campaign promise

how cool would THAT be??????

ha de ho

[Minstrel Boy]

15. I think many people have mental screens for these kind of stories.

They're too uncomfortable to deal with. Some things are so outrageous, they just can't be true. Right?

Well, Larry King - not the CNN host; the pimp of the pedophilic Franklin Cover-Up story - really did sing the national anthem at two Republican National Conventions, was an associate of George HW Bush, is serving time, and recently lost a million dollar lawsuit by one of his former child hookers who took the midnight tour of the White House, organized through the VP's office.

Did it happen? Goddamn right it did. But Poppy mixed up in a child sex ring? It's too outrageous to process. So the screen slides across the mind, and it's as though it never happened.

Here's a transcription from former Nebraska State Senator John DeCamp's The Franklin Cover-Up, page 176:

"Nelly first brought up (GHW) Bush in 1986, when she told Julie Walters about the sex parties she was flown to in Washington and Chicago. She saw Bush at two of these parties, she said, one in each city.

"Nelly also told Walters that one frequent party-goer with King was a boy named 'Brent,' the one who was "flown to another city somewhere" after a falling out with King. Walters did not have the time to cross-check this information with the life of Brandt Thomas, the Boys Town resident who had moved in with Larry King. Franklin credit union files contained a letter signed by King, in his capacity as Youth Affairs Committee advisor for the National Black Republican Council, listing Thomas as one of two national contact people for NBRC campus chapters.

"Three years later, with an investigation of abuse by King and the Webbs finally underway, Nelly was interviewed again. Speaking to Franklin committee detective Jerry Lowe, she repeated her account of the Chicago party, and said that Bush and the two men he arrived with appeared to have left the affair with a young black man she called 'Bandit.'

...

"Bush's name surfaced again in Lowe's May 1989 review of reports by Thomas Vlahoulis from the state attorney general's office: "both Kimberly and Nelly brought up the name of George Bush and indicated that they had both met him." There is a psychologist in Omaha who used to work for the CIA. In response to a direct question by an Omaha psychiatrist regarding George Bush's private life, this psychologist reported hearing rumors when Bush was head of the CIA, that correspond directly with the inferences made by Nelly Webb, and commented to the psychiatrist, 'But how do you investigate your boss?'"

And while I'm at it, from the "Omaha" chapter of Webster Tarpley's unauthorized (no kidding) autobiography of Poppy:

"Sound crazy? Not to Steve Bowman, an Omaha businessman who is compiling a book about the Franklin money and sex scandal. 'We do have some credible witnesses who say that "Yes, George Bush does have a problem."... Child abuse has become one of the epidemics of the 1990s,' Bowman told GQ.

...

"Mrs. Julie Walters, now a housewife in the Midwest, confirmed that in 1986 she had interviewed the alleged child prostitute, Lisa, who told her about Mr. Bush. Lisa and her sister Tracey were temporarily living at the time in the home of Kathleen Sorenson, another foster parent. Mrs. Walters explained that at first she was very surprised. But Lisa, who came from a very underprivileged background with no knowledge of political affairs, gave minute details of her attendance at political meetings around the country.

"From Julie Walters' 50-page handwritten report:

"3/25/86. Met with Kathleen and Lisa for about 2 hours in Blair questioning Lisa for more details about sexual abuse.... Lisa admitted to being used as a prostitute by Larry King when she was on trips with his family. She started going on trips when she was in 10th grade. Besides herself and Larry there was also Mrs. King, their son, Prince, and 2-3 other couples. They traveled in Larry's private plane, Lisa said that at these trip parties, which Larry hosted, she sat naked 'looking pretty and innocent' and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted (but penetration was not allowed) with her.... Lisa said she first met V.P. George Bush at the Republican Convention (that Larry King sang the national anthem at) and saw him again at a Washington, D.C. party that Larry hosted. At that party, Lisa saw no women ('make-up was perfect--you had to check their legs to make sure they weren't a woman')."
http://www.tarpley.net/bush21.htm

Before anyone asks, What's my point? Simply this: I believe these people capable of great evil.

[buycitgo]

16. holy lord........I remember reading about that

but didn't realize the, uh, tentacles

are they involved in EVERYTHING?

da Vinci Code, anyone?

[loudsue]

26. Oh woah is me. The bushes are the slimiest mafia on the face of earth

How in the world can we EVER bring down these slimey, wag-jawed, murdering, thieving, sewer scum, deranged, evil, evil, evil mo fo's? They are spreading their slime EVERYWHERE!! The folks in Washington HAVE to be scared as hell of these guys. It REALLY makes you want to take your hat off to the ones who have the balls to stand up to them.

The Kennedys get shot, the bushes get away. There is no God.

This post is one horrific piece of information. The original post is pretty darned horrific as well. Did you link them on the PLAME threads? Lots of connections here!

Buycitgo and Minstrel Boy.....you guys are THE BEST. Folks like you help make DU great, and I'm proud to have made your acquaintance here. :yourock:

[Minstrel Boy]

31. Thanks loudsue, and likewise.

And hats off to Buycitgo for bringing this story back. We all owe a huge debt to true heroes like Indira Singh, Sibel Edmonds and the rest of the whistleblowers, and those like Daniel Hopsicker who are determined to tell their stories. And this story should be huge. The problem is, so many stories should be huge. The outrages just keep piling up, even those of us who want to pay attention can't keep it all in view. And what does the US media choose to discuss? The swift boat bullshit smears. The fortunate fucking son was AWOL from the National Guard, and it's not even deemed an appropriate talking point!

It's enough to drive somebody mad, and it has. And I don't fault those who are.

War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, Bush is president. It's a bizarro world after all.

[Minstrel Boy]

8. An awful truth: the Octopus is bipartisan

Clark Clifford and BCCI; Jackson Stephens; Mena.... Though it owns the Republican Party, it has its tentacles into Democratic ranks as well.

BTW, did you know the headquarters of Jackson Stephens' Beverly Enterprises is just a block from the Venice airport? www.madcowprod.com/issue08.html

[buycitgo]

11. I sorta knew about JS's corruption, vis a vis Arkansas pols,

but not their Fla connection

Clark Clifford........what can you say? Military Industrial Complex veteran. he was there at the inception

contain communism, but allow TERRORISM to spread, in LARGE part due to simple GREED/VENALITY

traitors ALL

and THAT's why the 911 commission is just the latest version of the Warren Commission

did you hear about BenVeniste's appearance on Al Franken

Al asked him if he'd asked the chimp WHY he didn't make a connection between the Aug 6 PDB and the FIRST plane hitting the tower

what do you think RBV said?

made me PUKE, almost

[Minstrel Boy]

13. Didn't hear Ben-Veniste on Franken

Did you see Sander Hicks interview Ben-Veniste? He made him extremely uncomfortable.

Don't know if the video is still up somewhere, but the transcript is here: http://sanderhicks.com/benveniste.html

An excerpt:

SH: Let’s go back for a second and talk about what you just said about the INS forms of the terrorist hijackers. How there just seems to be a disconnect. How could these people — it was pointed out that a couple of these people were on the CIA’s list of terrorists, they had attended the terrorism conference and yet they were allowed to be in country. There was a gentleman you may know of, named Daniel Hopsicker? He’s a former producer of NBC and he wrote a book called, "Barry and the Boys." You are mentioned in it. It’s about a former client of yours who is now deceased, Mr. Barry Seal. Are you familiar with this book?

RB: No, I haven’t read the book but I did represent Barry Seal, who was convicted. He thereafter, on his own, became a government informant. He worked against the Sandinistas and that certainly is not the subject of this....

SH: That’s not the subject of ....

RB: We have quite a bit to do here in our Commission without going into all my private practice. I certainly wouldn’t want this to be an infomercial for Richard Ben-Veniste as a private attorney.

SH: Not at all. But the question was, Daniel Hopsicker is

RB: So, if you wouldn’t mind staying on our subject...

SH: Not at all.

RB: I’d appreciate it.

...

SH: No the question is really about Rudi Dekker and about — he’s a Dutch National. Mohamed Atta was at his flight school doing cocaine with his girl friend. If Mohamed Atta is technically a fundamentalist Muslim, what is he doing cocaine and going to strip bars with Rudi Dekkers’ girlfriend?

RB: You know, that’s a heck of a question.

SH: (Laughter) It sure is. Right. Well then we agree on that.

I heard Hicks later say he figured he better end it there before he found his house burned to the ground.

[buycitgo]

18. yes, I have.......you probably posted it

made me very angry

it's SUCH a put up job, that report

that said, I'm tempted to read it, as some of the staffer writings are supposedly very damning of the current junta

RBV said to read them, and draw one's own conclusions

he said this, in an oblique answer to Al's question wondering if Clinton was MUCH more on top of the terror scene; whether the chimp basically ignored it

he wouldn't come right out and say yes, but said something very much like this: a rational person might come to a similar conclusion

[Eloriel]

43. And there are people here at DU who STILL don't understand

why some of us were SO upset because their savior, General Wesley Clark, came straight out of employment with Jackson Stephens to run for President.

It's possible Clark's as innocent as the driven snow. And then again .... ??

A quote from Lenin: "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."

Think on THAT when you (you = anyone) read about PNAC, DLC, Jackson Stephens and his many connections with Dems (as in having helped finance Bill Clinton's Presidential campaign), etc., etc., including Wesley Clark's political ascendency. Even if it was all innocent, there they are getting their tentacles into our Party, tentacles that are really difficult for the Dem beneficiaries to ignore later on.

[Dancing_Dave]

9. Right On!

The growing 9/11 truth movement in New York City is fitting this information in their newest campaigns:
http://ny911truth.org/articles/dayton.htm

When the 9/11 cover-up in unravels in New York City, it will quickly unravel everywhere. Perhaps there will be a big break-through in the time frame of the Republican National Convention, the massive protests against it, and 9/11/2004.

[TreeHuggingLiberal]

14. I want to give a special thanks to

you and Minstrel Boy. I have thoroughly enjoyed all the well documented posts from you both. I just started indulging myself in politics this last year as I had a hiatus from my studies, and I have learned a great deal from DU and especially posters like yourselves. :)

[buycitgo]

20. thanks, from a fellow tree hugger

If I can find it, I'll link my niece, wearing my favorite tree hugger shirt

she's, uh, hugging a TREE in the picture, too!

one that was condemned to death by our village

[TreeHuggingLiberal]

25. Sad to hear about the tree...

Sorry off topic, but one of my first pictures I have with my family is on our first vacation to California. I was three years old and attempting to hug and lock my arms around a giant redwood. I bet your niece is adorable.

[Must_B_Free]

17. Have any of Hopsickers stories ever been corroborated?

All I have heard from madcow are single sourcestories with noone else ever picking up the same info.

Is he just a controversy peddler like Alex Jones, Al Martin and Art Bell?

[buycitgo]

19. how's THIS

do you consider Senator Lautenberg a reliable source?

he entered into the record the story about the plane leaving Florida to Kentucky, DURING the time when NOBODY else was able to fly

how's that?

did you read any of his stories?

there's a LOT of corroboration from first and second hand sources, including mainstream media

the link I posted uses the Boston Globe

does that work for you?

did you READ that story, even?

I just went back there to check, and it took me all of TWENTY SECONDS to see the Globe cited

I know it's asking a lot to actually READ something; actually make up your own mind whether something is believable

try it sometime

EDIT: sorry, sorta

I'm sick of ALL of what's happened to our country because of these MONSTERS, OK?

and I wonder about the bona fides of the people you mention, too

so I have a tendency to overreact, ala Mike Malloy the last few nights

K?

[Must_B_Free]

30. To be honest, I didn't read it

I read the stuff about the flight school and Atta's girlfriend... After nearly 4 years of non starters from the likes of Martin, Ruppert, et al., I am a little weary.

You have to admit there certainly is a market for people to make up things and sell books about it on their websites.

I wish more media would follow Hopsickers leads.

[Minstrel Boy]

32. I agree with you about Al Martin, but not about Ruppert.

He's been pretty solid, has good contacts, and his stuff checks out. To which "non starters" from Ruppert do you refer?

Delmart Vreeland, maybe? If so, I have a bit of a different perspective on that story. My introduction to the 9/11 rabbit hole came from Vreeland's attorney, my oldest friend, who established Vreeland's credentials by calling the Pentagon in open court (the prosecution claimed Vreeland must have "hacked" the Pentagon's computers from his prison cell), and was trying like hell to get US and Canadian authorities to heed Vreeland's warning in the months before 9/11, and witnessed the sealing of the "Let one happen, stop the rest" note in August.

Do you know Vreeland's claim that Canadian diplomat Marc Bastien was poisoned has been substantiated?

Have you read this Toronto Star article from December 5, 2003?

Post-9/11, this doesn't seem all that weird

...

He claimed that a Cuban immigrant named Nestor Fonseca, in jail in Toronto on drug charges, was plotting to kill Canadian and U.S. police officers.

He claimed that a Canadian Embassy worker in Moscow named Marc Bastien had not died from natural causes in 2000 as the government said but had been poisoned.

Vreeland's allegations against Fonseca were initially supported by Toronto police, who said they found a hit list in the Cuban's cell.

But by November, 2001, two months after the terror attacks on New York and Washington, everything changed.

Crown prosecutors dropped the attempted murder charges against Fonseca, saying they had been based on the testimony of an "unsavoury witness." Three months later, prosecutors dropped a bevy of other charges against Fonseca, including extortion, and instead extradited him to the U.S.

The apparent collapse of the Fonseca case also had the effect of destroying any credibility Vreeland may have had with regard to his more intriguing allegations about Sept. 11 and the death of Bastien, the Moscow embassy worker.

Until January, 2002. That's when Quebec coroner Line Duchesne concluded that Bastien, described as an information systems handler, had indeed been poisoned — probably by someone who slipped a concentrated anti-schizophrenic drug into his drink in a Moscow bar.

Vreeland's credibility suddenly shot up.

But eight months later, while out on bail awaiting an extradition hearing, he just disappeared.

At the time, Slansky told the court he had gone to Vreeland's apartment to pick him up but found it ransacked, with key evidence related to his client's 9/11 claims missing.

Did Vreeland skip town? Slansky argued no. He said he believed his client had been "killed, kidnapped or harmed" because he had evidence that the U.S. government knew ahead of time about the Sept. 11 attacks.

http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1070579408676%20%20&tacodalogin=no

[Must_B_Free]

34. Vreeland lost me with his message board

and his religious poetry the likes of "footsteps".

[buycitgo]

35. gee zeus

I remember that story at the time, thinking it was tinfoil material, seeing as how it didn't get any play anywhere else

didn't follow details at all, other than that Vreeland had advance knowledge of some sort of attack

I hadn't heard word ONE about his disappearance, or the death of Bastien.

wonder what happened to him, not to mention Fonseca.....

we'll know about those guys when we find out about Casolaro, Hatfield, and Kangas, right?

how many people would recognize ANY of those names?

oh, yeah, they were those three civil rights workers who claimed to be killed where Reagan kicked off his presidential campaign, right?

[Minstrel Boy]

39. Sander Hicks has a very good nine-part series on Vreeland

called "Wildcard." Starts here:

http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one

Most interesting is when Hicks brings Leo Wanta into the picture in Part 8. Wanta worked for Reagan, Bush and the CIA, destabilized the Russian ruble at the White House's request, and was in the middle of much black ops money-laundering and arms-trading.

Here's what Hicks says:

Leo Wanta’s legal advisor had put Vreeland through a series of tests attempting to see if Vreeland could recognize certain "passwords or security code names." Vreeland aced it. Henry's letter concluded, "On best information and belief I am of the opinion that my clients would endorse that you gathered the information that you have shared with my client while acting in the capacity of an 'intel op' agent of the U.S. Government."

...

In a late night, 3-way conversation between this reporter, Vreeland and Wanta, Vreeland blurted out to Wanta, "Who has controlled me in the last eight months?"

Wanta gruffly stated, "ONI."

"Where would they get orders from?"

"Cheney."

(Wanta adds) "I'm in constant pain, rheumatism, arthritis, I have not received proper medical care. I'm not afraid anymore."

http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_eight

[Minstrel Boy]

21. He's an investigative journalist

He has the interviews on video, and he has the notes. That he's alone down in Florida, working the 9/11 crime scene, is not his fault. He wants company. He berates Mike Ruppert, calling him "Mr Peak Oil," and says the truth would be better served if Ruppert put his old detective skills to work.

Here's a recent article in the St Petersburg Times, on flight school owner Rudi Dekkers, that uses Hopsicker's Welcome to Terrorland as a source:
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/25/Worldandnation/In_911_glare_hid_anot.shtml

[Minstrel Boy]

22. From a German review of Welcome to Terrorland:

The book, which was published both in the U.S. and Germany last month, may sound to many like the musings of a conspiracy theorist. But Lutz Kroth, head of the publishing house that brought out the book in Germany, Zweitausendeins, told DW-WORLD that impression arises "only because our opinions have been greatly influenced by mainstream media."

Kroth, who says the book is among the "ten best selling books right now," added: "Hopsicker is the only journalist who researched at the scene of events, went from door to door, collected facts and basically did what we expect from the media -- continued digging when the police stopped."
http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1432_A_1152077_1_A,00.html

Hopsicker on Germany's top-10 bestsellers list? If only that were true in America.

[RebelYell]

33. Minstrel Boy - Thank you

I didn't know Hopsicker was on Germany's top 10 bestseller list. I'm happy to hear someone is finally listening to him.

I think he's close to getting to the truth. Very few people agree with me.

[Minstrel Boy]

36. Bestseller in Germany, self-published at home.

Pretty sad, eh?

But here's some really good news: do you know Paul Thompson's timeline is being published by Harper Collins this September? Some killer blurbs on the backcover, too, from the likes of Craig Unger, author of House of Bush, House of Saud ("a spectacular resource") and Peter Dale Scott ("this book could effect a major change in the course of US history").



http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

[RebelYell]

37. Excellent! It's about time (pun intended) n/t

[Zan_of_Texas]

38. Whoa - kudos to Paul and everybody who participated in that

mammoth project!

After spending only a little time on there, I suggested to Paul that he should think about making it into a book. I was probably one of dozens that did. Hope they do it justice.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

24. KICK. Wow. This is a huge story. Goes to the heart of LIHOP and cover-up.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index45.html
This is an incredible story. Read this link in particular. Moves me to think MIHOP is more likely than previously.

Whistleblower working on risk management software for one of the world's largest banks accidently finds out she's enlisted help from a likely terrorist. Consequently, she is called on the carpet and told "quit it and shut up."

Damn. This is atleast as big as we feared. The Monster Child of BCCI no less.

[buycitgo]

27. yeah, and she was WARNED

wouldn't you like to know if your namesake was WARNED?

think of the movie this will make

Good:
ONeill
Singh
Edmonds
Clarke
the Jersey widows/other truth seeking family members
Michael Moore
Hart
Rudman
CIA PDBriefers, ca. aug 6
Pickard, sorta by default, to keep from perjury
First Responders
Gail Sheehy
Randi Rhodes
Minstrel Boy
Paul Thompson
rest of internet truthseekers, NONmainstream journalists

Evil
Just about everybody else in official positions
Just about ALL Mainstream media, of course

[Karenina]

28. Kick!

:kick:

[sweetheart]

29. I know Indira

She is a wholly outstanding patriotic american.

She is getting the whistleblower's cold shoulder, as JPMORGAN chase
sees all people who speak out, even justified ones, as traitors
to their secretive captitalism.

If the whole of american banking were exposed to the public, there
would be many more outcries of concern, as our banks are not based
on ethics, but screwing people for money.

It seems that banks prefer to deal with outside companies and
nationalities so they can diversify the body of intelligence that
operates them. If you discover crime as an employee of an indian
outsourcer, you will be fired and disgraced for exposing an american
firm, whereas, as a born american citizen like indira, they can
only "not employ" you.

The story is old news, BTW, and in this election time, we should
put our energies on hot active things like iraq. Bush will lose
due to iraq. Best we remind the public of the coffins. Maybe a
march on the washington mall with 1 coffin per dead person created
in bush's wars... that sort of thing.

God bless you indira singh. :-)

namaste,
-sweetheart

[Minstrel Boy]

40. Money doesn't launder itself.

Where do the trillions of narco dollars go? They go into banks. Without the narcotics trade, financial giants would fold up and blow away.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge of Indira Singh. She's a brave woman to stand up to such respectable monsters.

[buycitgo]

41. narco news! that site closed, didn't it? did it come back?

guess I could check

[buycitgo]

42. no memory hole yet

[Eloriel]

44. This is actually an important thread

why has it sunk? Has DU become a place where people don't bother to read any more? Maybe the evening crew will have some appreciators in the bunch.

[buycitgo]

45. noticed that the latest Plame thread has her in there

in case nobody's seen this recently