McGreevey was right to resign

[Dookus]

I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon of how honorable and brave he is. First, a gay man who marries two women and lives a secret life is not honorable.

Also, Golan Cipel, his alleged "partner", was hired by McGreevey for a $110,000/year job as head of NJ's Department of Homeland Security. This while Cipel was an Israeli citizen and in the Israeli Navy Reserves.

Gay, straight or box-turtlist, it is not honorable to hire your adulterous partner for a high-level job. It is also not honorable to do so when said partner is a foreign national and hired for a vital security job.

We don't yet know the details of the allegations against McGreevey regarding sexual harassment and rape.

Sorry, but his life has been marked by deception, patronage, and possibly gross sexual misconduct. He should resign.

[slinkerwink]

1. He already is resigning

[boxster]

2. Um, he is resigning.

November 15.

[Dookus]

4. Yes I know

I'm saying it's the right thing to do. I'll reword the title.

[Burma Jones]

3. Hey C'mon, we're talkin JERSEY here

<sarcasm>deception, patronage and gross sexual misconduct are the official state sports....</sarcasm>

[smada]

5. Pertinent details there

This story has probably taken many by complete surprise. I don't like the implication that he should resign because he's gay. I think that sends the wrong message, that somehow gays are incompetent and unfit for public office.

However, the deeper scandal would be the details you outlined. If true, and I have no reason to think it's not, then you're right. That is conduct that betrays the confidence of the public that elected him.

[Raven]

6. I agree Dookus...

he did the right thing and there should be no gnashing of teeth here about it. I won't repeat what you said but I'll only add that this must be so hard on his wife and children.

[Demonaut]

7. dont quite agree with you, allegations about his partner is one thing

but married gay men struggle with thier identities, bisexual or otherwise.

[Dookus]

8. I believe gay people

shouldn't enter into sham marriages. It's selfish and cruel.

[Rowdyboy]

12. Especially for political purposes....

I like McGreevy, but he was right to resign. That way, he retains at least an option for a future political race. That depends, of course, on the full story behind the lawsuit.

[Demonaut]

15. in his speech he said he struggled with his indentity as a youth

and now at 47 has come to accept it, no question he fucked up but maybe they weren't sham marriages just bad mistakes made in confusion.

[salinen]

9. Although

he may have become gay recently? Or do you know something?

[Dookus]

11. Become gay recently?

Something in the water, perhaps?

If you watched his speech, he spoke about his struggle beginning in his teens.

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[JI7]

22. many gay men have had kids with women, they probably just think of

other men while they are with the women.

[Dookus]

23. Well

I know plenty of "straight" guys who are capable of having sex with men, too. The penis tends to work under a wide variety of circumstances.

[UdoKier]

13. It doesn't usually work that way.

He's what, 40?

Usually most people have an inkling before that.

[JI7]

18. huh? one doesn't just "become" gay, it's the way they are

and mcgreevey knew for a long time he was which is why he was very open about it.

[UdoKier]

10. Hate to say you are right.

He should have been out and proud like Barney Frank.

We democrats embrace our gay brothers and sisters, but not duplicitous closet cases. That's GOP territory.

[atreides1]

14. Perhaps

But don't we democrats also forgive, or is that just for PR.

[Dookus]

17. So EVERY abuse should be forgiven?

I'm not his pastor. He neither needs nor seeks my forgiveness. But he was right to resign the office. Not for being gay, per se, but for being a corrupt liar.

[UdoKier]

20. Forgiving personally is one thing...

I don't resent the guy personally at all. I understand that it's shame and homophobia that makes people do things like that, but on a legal and professional basis, he has to take his lumps, especially if he's broken the law.

I wish him well, and I hope that at some point he can salvage a career.

Let's hope he lives an honest sex life from now on, too.

[JI7]

16. if it was just about him being gay and having an affair

i don't think he would have resigned since new jersey voters most likely don't care about that stuff. so i agree, his resigning wasn't about the affair or being gay but rather the other stuff.

[niceperson]

19. Isn't this what Giuliani did

Gay, straight or box-turtlist, it is not honorable to hire your adulterous partner for a high-level job.

Isn't this what Giuliani did? And then he tried to move her into the house he shared with his wife and children under the guise of "official business". I was always horrified that there was no public outcry over this. Especially after Clinton. In fact Giuliani married his mistress in a ceremony at Gracie manor. This behaviour amongst powerful men is so common, and yet public reactions differ dramatically from person to person.

I guess it's one of life's little mysteries

[Meshuga]

24. My feelings exactly! n/t