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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:11 PM
Original message
To send an email of support to Govenor McGreevey..
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 04:16 PM by Kahuna
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:12 PM
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1. What's he charged with ?
Child molestation? Or what?

i think I'll wait before I jump on the wagon...Thanks.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:15 PM
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3. Suit yourself. I am very sad that a gay American felt compelled
to hide his true self. And that it has led to this unfolding scandal. I'm certain that it will NOT involve child molestation.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:17 PM
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5. felt compelled to hide his true self?
Millions of Americans live out and proud lives. He CHOSE to be closeted, to cheat on his wife, to hide his life from his family, to engage in extramarital affairs and then hire his partner for a high-level job. All choices - he wasn't compelled to do any of that.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:22 PM
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6. To acheive his goal of public office did compel him to lie...
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 04:23 PM by Kahuna
I'm sure that in any other profession he could have been open. But as a politician holding high office, gays are not accepted. You need to look at this from both sides. I understand what your saying. And you're right. But society does frown upon gays when it comes to high office. In that, I am right.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:30 PM
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9. Sorry
he was not compelled to lie. Also, he started lying LONG before he entered public life.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:37 PM
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10. How do you know what his ambitions were LONG ago?
You don't. It's easy for you to say what somebody else should have done. But you are not in McGreevey's shoes. Just because you're gay, that still doesn't make you the final judge and jury over McGreevey. Because you have not lived HIS life.

I personally think he should have stayed single. You don't know that his wife didn't know that he is gay. What if she did?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:35 PM
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24. I'm just curious, how many admittedly gay politicians have held
office or are hold office? How many gay governors are there and have there been?

Just wondering. :think:

:shrug:
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:55 PM
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11. Oh, Dookus, give it a rest will ya?
Not everyone can be "out and proud" and wrap themselves in a rainbow flag, and that is doubly true for anyone in the political arena. Anyone who is gay knows that it takes a lot of processing to accept one's sexual identity and be okay with it. People reach that level of acceptance in their lives at varying degrees. Some never reach it.
If you're gay, you know damned well what I'm talking about.

Come down off your high horse and have a little compassion.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:58 PM
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12. No, I won't give it a rest
I'm allowed to express my opinions here just as much as you are. If you don't like it, click the little sleeping guy above my name.

McGreevey being a closet-case is the least of the reasons he should resign. He's a corrupt liar, and just because there's a (D) next to his name doesn't make him a good guy.

I feel bad for gay people in such situations, but I also know that they CHOOSE to put themselves in those situations. Now they may think they have good reasons for doing so, but people justify all sorts of inexcusable behavior. The notion that he was "compelled" to live a lie is ridiculous.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:04 PM
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13. No, it's NOT ridiculous.......
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 05:08 PM by KzooDem
And guess what, I won't give it a rest either, so there.

It's NOT ridiculous. And you know it. If you were straight, I'd understand what seems to be a very self-righteous, ignorant point of view. But the fact that you're GAY and you think everyone has the power and ability to just *POOF* come out of the closet without any drastic, negative ramifications whatsoever and wave start unfurling rainbow flags from their front porches really just blows me away.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:06 PM
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14. I never once averred
it was easy to come out of the closet. I simply disagree with the notion that one is COMPELLED to live a lie.

Of course it's difficult to come out of the closet. But choosing to stay in the closet and cheat on your wife is dishonorable.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:10 PM
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15. Never mind....
I suspect you wouldn't get the concept if it were a 2x4 and hit you over the head.

Glad you can live life looking through rose-colored glasses and cast aspersions at others.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:13 PM
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17. i agree with you dookus, and i'm gay too
i have little sympathy for this man, and others like him. i hope he was honorable enough to have an arrangement with his wife though.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:20 PM
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18. Well, I'm gay, too, and I think you are both off your freaking rockers...
Your "out and proud" attitude is GREAT, but to think that everyone has the ability to be what and who you are is really short sighted.

I suspect you are both probably like the character "Harold" in the movie The Boys In The Band.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:21 PM
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19. read my lips: he hired his lover for a job
he wasn't qualified for...that's why he resigned. he's using the gay issue...plain and simple. sorry you are falling for it.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:27 PM
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22. No, I agree he should have resigned....
If the allegations are true, the man does not belong in public office whether it's county drain commissioner or governer.

What I'm challenging is the absurd notion that Dookus is promoting that he should be villified for having been married and in the closet and hiding his sexuality.

My point is not EVERYONE can be out and proud, right here, right now, for the whole world to see, as Dookus contends.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:29 PM
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23. i don't care about his personal life
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 05:37 PM by noiretblu
except to the extent that lying hurts other people. who knows...perhaps he and his wife had an arrangement...who really cares? my point is: this isn't a "gay" issue, and i see you agree. peace.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:22 PM
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20. Yes, that's exactly what I'm like...
a bad '60s stereotype of flamboyant homosexuals :eyes:

Everyone DOES have the ability to be out of the closet. It's not easy, but ya know what? It's easier than living a secret life.

But none of which really matters, because his sexuality is his business. It's only when he gave his secret lover a high-profile job for which he was unqualified, both technically and legally, that his sexuality became public issue.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:26 PM
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21. HELLO!!!
:shrug: what's so GAY about using one's office to advance an unqualified lover's career? his sexuality is not even as issue as far as i'm concerned.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:14 PM
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2. Your Link Doesn't Work
I followed it, and got the folloewing error message:

Use the back arrow on your browser to correct the following:

You must select a Topic or check the box indicating your topic is not listed.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:15 PM
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4. Try this...
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:24 PM
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7. It Worked!!
And here's the message I sent him:

Governor -

I'm sure your announcement today was a hard one to make. As the ex-husband of a gay woman, I'm aware of the stigmas that ouy society places on some sexual practices.

I don't live in NJ any more, but I still follow its news closely, since my grown children still live there. I know you've done good for the State, and will continue to do good in another capacity.

Best of luck to you, Governor, in whatever life has next for you. And don't let the right-wingers capitalize on your situation. As I'm writing this, I'm listening to Sean Hannity saying some of the most horrible things imaginable about you. I hope you can answer your critics with style, grace, and show them for the narrow-minded fools they are.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:29 PM
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8. Great email. I also thanked him for a job well done..
and wished him well in his future endeavors. Some people act like you're condoning his dishonesty just because you wish him well. Sheesh.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:11 PM
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16. What if I don't support him?
There aren't enough FACTS out there yet.

Affair or sexual assault? Don't know.

Cheater or wife knew? Don't know.

In the closet? Yeah, but that's none of my business either way.

Gave his lover a cushy job? Looks like it. I don't support that.

Although, I'm a fervent supporter of GLBT rights, I won't support someone doing bad things just BECAUSE said person is gay. There's no logic in that.

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. Why you're obviously
a closeted gay-basher. :eyes:

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