Is God speaking through these storms? Which way will it go? Florida

[KoKo]

struck...and early in Bush's Regime there were CROWS (omens) on the White House Lawn.

But..this could go both ways. Bush releases massive funds to repair Florida (which didn't happen for "Andrew" when his "Poppy" could have cared less and it was "mobile homes" and the poor who suffered) and Hugo, where Poppy flew over in a helicopter and said "it looks bad."

But, the scenario of terrible Hurricane Damage with Poppy...where he WASN'T "RE-ELECTED" is very interesting...given that it's FLORIDA once again..and CNN's Blitzer is once agains capitalizing on the terrible circumstances of those suffering under this Hurricane...whether they are rich are poor...theres going to be major losses. :-(

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Yes! That is IT!

God is a large low-pressure system! It is all so clear now! ;-)

[KoKo]

19. Well...have you looked at the info from DU'ers who post about "Contrails?"

Gotta take it all in..the "scientific and philosophical and the pragmatic and the businessman's view" of it all. :shrug:

[terrya]

2. Maybe we can ask Alan Keyes, who seems to be in touch with Him.

[RobertSeattle]

3. Or...

I think those Tampa people must be loved by GOD so much more than those people in Fort Meyers - their prayers were answered while Fort Meyers got the direct hit.

[Jackpine Radical]

4. You been channeling Pat Robertson again?

Change the channel.

[Ladyhawk]

21. Off topic: If Bush doesn't win in a landslide...

...can we stone Pat Robertson as a false prophet?

[KoKo]

5. Ah...you gave up with "crows on the WH Lawn" and thought I was channeling.

ROFL!

Check out Poppy and "Hurricane Hugo" and get that I'm "melding the spiritual with the "reality," before you Trash My Post...;-)'s

[UdoKier]

6. If God's in charge...

The storm will spawn a huge tornado that will score a direct hit on Rush Limbaugh's sprawling Palm Beach mansion, sucking the bellowing blowhard away forever!

[KoKo]

12. Now..look..I wouldn't give "God" a bad rap on this, he works in mysterious

ways." He's given warnings and they've been igorned...he's done the best he/she could do to alert us in a "subtle fashion" and he/she now has a chance to make a final statement about "Poppy's Spawn" and he said "No WAY" to Poppy in that election...and now "Chimp" is up for "re-election" and God/he/she...does another MAJOR HURRICANE..

Well..some of us more "Humanists/Spiritualists" do see a parallel, here...without being accused of having "spooks" whispering in our ears or donning "MEGA" TINFOIL on this....

Earth Speaks...IMBALANCE SPEAKS! Get over it..or unstuff your ears!

:D

[BeFree]

7. 12 years ago

When boosh1 was president Florida was the last hit by a major hurricane.

Every time we have a R president, Florida gets blown up and away.
Even the Challenger during RR's time had a huge national impact.

Just one more reason we don't want R's anywhere near power.

[Shopaholic]

8. Great--and it's my bad-luck to

live in Repug-filled South Carolina.

[KoKo]

13. Are you on the Coast near Hilton Head or Kiawah/Seabrook/Pawleys?

What's the forcast where you are??? I was born there, so I have an interest, even though I don't live there now. :shrug:

[Cleita]

9. God's wrath?

I don't think so. It's hurricane season, isn't it? The midwest has tornado season and the west coast gets earthquakes, fires and flood. It part of living on planet earth. God did give us a brain though to help us prepare for these events and survive them.

Better that Floridians should be concerned about Florida sinking underwater in the future because of the rising water table from global warming, or isn't that scenario immediate enough to warrant serious debate in the future?

Yes, Floridians have to get through the hurricane first and immediately, but really should start thinking about the global warming thing after the danger has passed.

[KoKo]

16. Cleita...I moved it to another dimension...perhaps I should have posted in

"Meeting Room Forum" here on DU?

Why not put it out here and get lots of folks disagreeing with me? I think discussion about this is a good thing. God vs Humanists vs. Ayn Randians vs. Atheists vs. Agnostics...vs. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT...I JUST WANT BUSH OUT...ists?

:shrug:

[Merlin]

10. God doesn't give a rat's ass what goes on down here.

Suppose you're the Creator of the Universe. Do you think you're going to want to spend your time paying attention to what goes on on this little orb? It would be like you studying an ant farm. You might do it once, for a school project, but it would get old fast.

The Creator built the Universe, assigned it the physical laws necessary for it to function, then went on to other pursuits. Closest parallel is a computer programmer.

[KoKo]

15. Well, Merlin...I couldn't say...but knowing who I am..YES! I Would be Very

Concerned! Think about it... A "Creator" whose "Creation" has been "taken over and villified by weirdo extremists?"

Yeah..I think there's enough stuff in the Bible to support that God did get angry and "smite down" idol worshipers. Now, "Idol Worshipers" sort of fits the thingy with the BFEE wouldn't you say.

Whatever...I do believe that what one does in life if it "defiles life, creatures, laws and mans humanity to fellow man" if it goes against that then the "Mighty Sword" does come down...short of chopping off heads..it does a "cautionary."

I realize that 3/4 of DU doesn't agree with me on this, but...Hey...I'm the other 1/4 and I have a "big mouth" on these things. :D :evilgrin:

BUT! I'm NOT being TRIVIAL HERE!

[Merlin]

25. I welcome your view, KoKo01. You are thinking about what really matters.

It seems to me the only really important subjects in the world are religion and politics. Most people duck both. DUers at least think about politics.

Liberals, generally, are terrified to think about God, because they rightly object to the mind games and reactionary politics of organized religion. And unfortunately, they are generally unable to separate the concept of a Creator from traditional religion. So they practice denial, and entertain themselves with the delusion that all of existence came from... well from nothing; as if that's even rational.

But it's a new day in a new world. There is nothing wrong with rethinking the entire concept of the Creator along entirely different lines. In my view the Creator Being is surely all powerful and intelligent beyond anyone's capacity to comprehend. However, in giving humanity the capacity for rational thought, this Being has permitted us the ability to share in the knowledge of how Its creations work. Our reason and knowledge bring us closer to an understanding of the Creator, as Einstein was well aware.

I come to many of the same conclusions you do, but by a different route. Reason tells us there are certain laws we must follow to conform to what is "right" and "good." These rules we mostly know internally without even asking, because they are based on our internal sense of right and wrong, which in turn is based on reason. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Honor thy mother and father. Do not commit adultery. These are reasonable rules to follow in order to live happy lives in which we do not give needless offense to others. These rules are easily grasped. They need not have been handed down from on high. They are in fact the natural law.

So by following the natural laws, we are indeed conforming to God's wishes. And by violating them, we "sin" -- but not because we "offend" this God, but because we break the rules of common sense and reason established by the Creator, and thereby heap upon ourselves and others the natural consequences of our actions.

In this manor, the Creator need not interfere in the daily life of Its creations. The rules of reason have the equivalent effect. The natural consequences of violating the Creator's natural law do all the work.

This explanation for existence solves the riddle of how an all knowing, all good, all powerful activist God could permit such evil in the world. It also solves the riddle of how one squares God's imagined intervention with free will.

Of course in taking this approach, which in my view is truth, one must give up many illusions of traditional thinking, such as a God "watching over us" and a God "keeping track of all our sins," and a good deal more. But by so doing, the universe suddenly begins to make sense.

I could obviously go on and on. Every now and then I just have to expound upon my unique theology in the hope of finding others who are of like mind.

[Blue-Jay]

11. That would be great signal!

if the majority of Florida voters were practitioners of VOODOO!

[KoKo]

17. ROFL...a good reply...but you really didn't get what I was getting at...

but I still thought your reply was interesting. VOODOO would have elected Gore..not Bush...though.. believe me on this. :D

[Warren DeMontague]

14. God is speaking through a 300% increase in CO2 Levels...

Which means God should drive more fuel efficient cars and find alternative sources of energy. Pronto.

[KoKo]

18. Well my God and Jesus Would definitely drive "fuel effecient cars" but

then many DU'ers don't understand that there REALLY ARE CHRISTIANS who AREN'T Fundies...and that those of us who AREN'T DO HAVE Principles...that drive us and that's why we are here on DU...we want BUSH OUT! He DEFILES THE VERY EARTH..which gives us our "God Given Sanctuary." :shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

20. I understand...

I know lots of Christains whose beliefs seem to be in line with what I consider to be the real tenets of Jesus's message: Compassion, helping the poor, the weak, the downtrodden.. treating other people as you would want to be treated. Of course.

Just because I'm not a "Christian" doesn't mean I don't wholeheartedly agree with those ideas.

My point was only that, if you want to talk about what's causing the increase in tropical storms, greenhouse gases can't be discounted.

[KoKo]

22. Thanks much for understanding. really... I respect your views and you

respect mine...and we both know that Bush & Company's view is unhealthy for our planet..whatever one believes..but not all "Christians" are like those "Crusaders/RW Rundies" and Bible thumping types. But, it doesn't mean we don't take what we believe just as seriously. We just aren't into trashing Muslims, Agnostics, Atheists, Jews, Buddists and whatever one believes as long as one realises "Love thy Neighbor" and "protect the planet we have been given to care for."

But those two beliefs as simple as they are...cause great angst with some of those we come in contact with who want to destroy both of those tenants. :shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Yes, If I was a Christian...

I would be plenty upset about the people most loudly proclaiming themsleves that in the public square -- giving the real ones a bad name.

Likewise, I do a lot of railing against the religious right. And my belief about "God", at least as it pertains to this thread, can kind of be summed up in the saying "If God hadn't wanted man to fly, he wouldn't have invented the airplane"... That's just my own, personal take on it.

But that certainly shouldn't be taken to mean I'm generalizing about all Christians. Peace.
:)

[Lenape85]

23. Yep

"But, the scenario of terrible Hurricane Damage with Poppy...where he WASN'T "RE-ELECTED" is very interesting...given that it's FLORIDA once again..and CNN's Blitzer is once agains capitalizing on the terrible circumstances of those suffering under this Hurricane..."

Well, according to several websites that predict electoral votes, Florida is looking in Kerry's direction. I guess the Edwards effect must be working.

"whether they are rich are poor...theres going to be major losses."

I couldn't agree more, although I also do sometimes wish the hurricane would strike Limbaugh's mansion, just so it could be a humbling experience for him. (Read Chapter 11 of "Stupid White Men" and you will see).

[antigone382]

Meeting of The Mouths

was scheduled for tomorrow.

Bootzie, Baby Jesus and some Humphreys dude were to appear in Disney World. I think only Bootzie is stuck there now.

Divine retribution indeed! But to harm innocent folk sucks. Therein lies the dilemma of "punishment."

[antigone382]

Meeting of The Mouths

was scheduled for tomorrow.

Bootzie, Baby Jesus and some Humphreys dude were to appear in Disney World. I think only Bootzie is stuck there now.

Divine retribution indeed! But to harm innocent folk sucks. Therein lies the dilemma of "punishment."

[antigone382]

Meeting of The Mouths

was scheduled for tomorrow.

Bootzie, Baby Jesus and some Humphreys dude were to appear in Disney World. I think only Bootzie is stuck there now.

Divine retribution indeed! But to harm innocent folk sucks. Therein lies the dilemma of "punishment."

[antigone382]

Meeting of The Mouths

was scheduled for tomorrow.

Bootzie, Baby Jesus and some Humphreys dude were to appear in Disney World. I think only Bootzie is stuck there now.

Divine retribution indeed! But to harm innocent folk sucks. Therein lies the dilemma of "punishment."

[antigone382]

26. Meeting of The Mouths

was scheduled for tomorrow.

Bootzie, Baby Jesus and some Humphreys dude were to appear in Disney World. I think only Bootzie is stuck there now.

Divine retribution indeed! But to harm innocent folk sucks. Therein lies the dilemma of "punishment."

[antigone382]

Meeting of The Mouths

was scheduled for tomorrow.

Bootzie, Baby Jesus and some Humphreys dude were to appear in Disney World. I think only Bootzie is stuck there now.

Divine retribution indeed! But to harm innocent folk sucks. Therein lies the dilemma of "punishment."

[antigone382]

27. Meeting of The Mouths

was scheduled for tomorrow.

Bootzie, Baby Jesus and some Humphreys dude were to appear in Disney World. I think only Bootzie is stuck there now.

Divine retribution indeed! But to harm innocent folk sucks. Therein lies the dilemma of "punishment."

[antigone382]

28. Sorry about that

My mom was using my screenname...daggum idjit.