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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 07:55 PM
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This war is NOT about oil.
First of all, there is hardly any oil left in Iraq.
During the first Gulf War, the US destroyed so many oil installations that the sea became one big oil slick.

About 8,000,000 million barrels of crude oil was purposely spilled into the Persian Gulf, creating an environmental hazard to marine life and birds. Approximately 20,000 birds died. A 12-inch thick oil slick was created and covered an esimated 400 miles of shoreline. Only a very small portion of the oil was recovered, about a million barrels of oil. The oil slick threatened the desalinization plant at Jubayl, Saudia Arabia. Booms and skimming operations were launched to protect the plant.
http://www.uwec.edu/grossmzc/sniderll.html

The US military then unleashed the oil-eating bacteria developed and patented by one Ananda Chakrabarty.
http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/1125 /

As a result of all this,
Iraq is IMPORTING OIL via Halliburton
and then are pumping the crude INTO Iraqi oilwells.
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=2005
So it is plain to see that this war is NOT about oil.

So what is this war all about?
WHY is Bush DETERMINED to continue the assault on Iraq?
WHY is Bush DETERMINED to wage war against Iran?
And where do the neocons and the Kuwaitis fit in?
Saddam has been deposed.
There never were any Weapons of Mass Destruction.
This war is not about Saddam Hussein.
Or his quarrel with Kuwait.

The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages -- leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind, or disfigured. Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained -- by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape. If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning. (Applause.)
And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country -- your enemy is ruling your country. (Applause.) And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. (Applause.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

1 Who is this coming from Edom,
from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?
Who is this, robed in splendor,
striding forward in the greatness of his strength?
"It is I, speaking in righteousness,
mighty to save."
2 Why are your garments red,
like those of one treading the winepress?
3 "I have trodden the winepress alone;
from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments,
and I stained all my clothing.
4 For the day of vengeance was in my heart,
and the year of my redemption has come.
5 I looked, but there was no one to help,
I was appalled that no one gave support;
so my own arm worked salvation for me,
and my own wrath sustained me.
6 I trampled the nations in my anger;
in my wrath I made them drunk
and poured their blood on the ground."
-- Isaiah 63: 1-6
http://www.moshiach.com/discover/articles/saddam.php

In simple terms, we are at war. It is not a struggle merely for power, wealth, or some other material advantage; it is a titanic clash over the future of world civilization. The world must now choose, for all time, between the eternal holiness of the Messianic kingdom—for which Jews have tirelessly worked for thousands of years—and the utter nihilism of the darkest evil ever to threaten the planet. This war has already spread into every nation, every social institution, every human activity. It has thus become a world war in the ultimate sense.
<snip>
Meanwhile, the world is tumbling into chaos, confused and frightened by the largest, most daring web of lies in history. Until we choose to exercise our incredible potential for Divinely-assured victory, we can expect to see the following developments unfold (H"V): ...........
16) An escalation of terrorism within the borders of the United States, along with debt-fueled inflationary economic crisis and urban riots; a general breakdown of law and order, followed by police state measures that will deliberately fail to restore order; rising confusion and panic amongst the population, with no one being able to identify the cause.
17) The outbreak of a world war, spreading throughout every continent on the globe, but culminating in an all-out invasion of Israel by Communist armies from the Soviet Bloc, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and perhaps China.
On the other hand, none of the above scenarios need happen at all. It is not a strategy based on force or strength, but rather on weakness and parasitic helplessness hidden behind a wall of lies and illusions.
http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm

So here we have a major political constituency - representing much of the current president's core vote - in the most powerful nation on Earth, which is actively seeking to provoke a new world war. Its members see the invasion of Iraq as a warm-up act, as Revelation (9:14-15) maintains that four angels "which are bound in the great river Euphrates" will be released "to slay the third part of men". They batter down the doors of the White House as soon as its support for Israel wavers: when Bush asked Ariel Sharon to pull his tanks out of Jenin in 2002, he received 100,000 angry emails from Christian fundamentalists, and never mentioned the matter again.
The electoral calculation, crazy as it appears, works like this. Governments stand or fall on domestic issues. For 85% of the US electorate, the Middle East is a foreign issue, and therefore of secondary interest when they enter the polling booth. For 15% of the electorate, the Middle East is not just a domestic matter, it's a personal one: if the president fails to start a conflagration there, his core voters don't get to sit at the right hand of God. Bush, in other words, stands to lose fewer votes by encouraging Israeli aggression than he stands to lose by restraining it. He would be mad to listen to these people. He would also be mad not to.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html

The immediate results of this war will be disastrous: Moshiach ben Yossef (Bush, the GOP messiah) will be killed. This is described in the prophecy of Zechariah, who says of this tragedy that “they shall mourn him as one mourns for an only child.” (Zechariah 12:10). His death will be followed by a period of great calamities. (under Halliburton/Cheney?) These new tribulations shall be the final test for Israel, and shortly thereafter Moshiach ben David shall come, avenge his death, resurrect him, (Bush, the GOP messiah) and inaugurate the Messianic era of everlasting peace and bliss. (Which apparently consists of a government of the GOP, by the GOP, and for the GOP.)
http://moshiach.com/discover/tutorials/moshiach_ben_yossef.php

And you guys are worrying about Diebold fixing a four-year election.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:01 PM
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1. What the flaming bloody hell is this?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:03 PM
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2. Woah......
gimme some of that stuff!!!!!
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:12 PM
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13. Sure, I'll share my pretzels.
Mommy says to chew before you swallow.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1758848.stm
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:35 AM
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67. Kinda like Ripley's, eh?
Those who know the players, Ahmansons, Rushdooneys, Bradleys, Scaifes etc. ad nauseum see the threat. How to get folks to realize this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, THIS AIN'T NO FOOLIN' AROUND??? :shrug:
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:04 PM
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4. "Unknown news."
....While sane people around the world view the Middle East conflict as "mere" political wrangling with religious undertones, the rightwing Christians and Zionists see the conflict as a prelude to the final chapter in the fulfillment of Biblical scriptures ....
http://www.unknownnews.net/cdd040302.html
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:10 PM
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10. Ummm.... When the rapture comes......
Can I have your car?:eyes:
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:13 PM
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14. I am not sure that I'll be going
Are you staying as well?
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:21 PM
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20. I know I'm stayin'.
I'm real interested in the probable percentage of people who are going to float off into the sky with Bunnypants. I figure there's real money to be made setting up will-like documents to leave one's worldly goods to pagans or sinners. But if there's only a couple of dozen Christians affected, it's hardly worth the startup costs.


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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:29 PM
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27. Someone beat you to it
Information For Those Left Behind
includes:
The Left Behind Letters Reaching out to the tribulation saints
Oops, I Guess I Wasn't Ready! What to do if you miss the rapture
The Post Rapture Survival Guide What to do if you miss the rapture
Second Chance for Salvation After the rapture, there is still hope
http://www.raptureme.com/

The number of US believers is estimated to be about 50 million.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:33 PM
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30. I don't want to chance damaging my monitor by visiting their site.
Are they selling stuff to the uber-gullible, or is this some weird kind of outreach.


Hey everybody! Get your tickets for Rapture II(tm) here!!!


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istruthfull Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:01 PM
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36. Who is going
In Revelations chapters 2 and 3 it speaks of the churches (way of life) and in Rev 3 Verse 7 it says only these guys will be spared the trubulation. The Sunday after the Rapture there will be plenty of people in the churches.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:09 PM
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38. Can I interest you in a glass
of GRAPE KOOLAID?

What is known about the end of Jonestown is that on November 18, 1978, Jones ordered more than 900 of his followers to drink cyanide-poisoned punch. He told guards to shoot anyone who refused or tried to escape. Among the dead: more than 270 children.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/18/jonestown.anniv.01/

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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:08 PM
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51. I'm a member in good standing of a church.
A pagan church. As a priest in training, I even lead rituals now and then. Does that mean I'm gonna get beamed up without warning? That would suck.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:10 PM
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39. Ok, but if Gawd is your co-pilot...
can I have a parachute?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:24 PM
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43. People don't get it.
Edited on Sat Aug-14-04 09:24 PM by jdjkkse
Liberal denial is hurting us dearly. Kooks in insane asylums are sad, but harmless. Kooks in positions of world power are terrifying and extremely dangerous. The second example is where we are. I was raised a fundie, so I know these people have a mission in life, and it is NOT world peace. They'd kill of the entire planet's population, human and everyone else, just to prove the veracity of their Jesus and their Bible. And never look back.

Liberal arrogance dictates that fundies are all inbred rednecks living in trailer parks. The fact is, some of these fundies are extremely rich, or extremely driven, or both. Many times ultra-right libertarian millionaires like Scaife fund them when it suits their purposes. I live in an area that has HUGE baptist churches, and I'm talking enormous, way out in the middle of nowhere. Where is this money coming from???? And what else are these fundie benefactors using their money for?

The days of humble religious factions quietly practising their faith and being grateful to be allowed to do so in peace are O-V-E-R. Now they want to take over the U.S. gov't. Liberals are in a denial where we seem to feel it is beneath us to fear what we see as our intellectual inferiors. Be afraid, be very, very afraid. I can't wait until the day our arrogant asses wake up and confront this anti-American threat head on, but since our nose is so far up in the air we can't see what is going on right in front of us. Thanks for posting this. My parents are fundies and believe all of this. And by the way, their church tells them EXACTLY who to vote for in every election.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:25 PM
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52. When Unknown News
published their first piece on Bush and the Apocalypse,
they found that half the readers were in shock to discover that such ideas existed
and the other half were shocked that the first half had not known this all along.

Is the Bush administration turning to a televangelist doomsayer for political predictions? Apocalyptic preacher Jack Van Impe is claiming that he was contacted by Condoleezza Rice’s office and the White House Office of Public Liaison for an “outline” of his take on world events.
Van Impe is the author of such books as “Israel’s Final Holocaust” and “The Great Escape: Preparing for the Rapture, the Next Event on God’s Prophetic Clock.”
He has predicted that the end of the world will strike somewhere between 2003 and 2012
http://www.unknownnews.net/apocalypsenow.html

The problem is not that George W. Bush is discussing policy with people who press right-wing solutions to achieve peace in the Middle East, or with devout Christians. It is that he is discussing policy with Christians who might not care about peace at all—at least until the rapture.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/perlstein.php

And now,
another little gem from the archives at Unknown News.

June 4, 2004
The President's abrupt dismissal of CIA Directory George Tenet Wednesday night is, aides say, an example of how he works.
"Tenet wanted to quit last year but the President got his back up and wouldn't hear of it," says an aide. "That would have been the opportune time to make a change, not in the middle of an election campaign but when the director challenged the President during the meeting Wednesday, the President cut him off by saying 'that's it George. I cannot abide disloyalty. I want your resignation and I want it now."
Tenet was allowed to resign "voluntarily" and Bush informed his shocked staff of the decision Thursday morning. One aide says the President actually described the decision as "God's will."
God may also be the reason Attorney General John Ashcroft, the administration’s lightning rod because of his questionable actions that critics argue threatens freedoms granted by the Constitution, remains part of the power elite. West Wing staffers call Bush and Ashcroft “the Blues Brothers” because “they’re on a mission from God.”
“The Attorney General is tight with the President because of religion,” says one aide. “They both believe any action is justifiable in the name of God.”
But the President who says he rules at the behest of God can also tongue-lash those he perceives as disloyal, calling them “fucking assholes” in front of other staff, berating one cabinet official in front of others and labeling anyone who disagrees with him “unpatriotic” or “anti-American.”
http://www.unknownnews.net/insanity060404.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:48 PM
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55. BIBLICAL LAW TRUMPS CIVIL LAW
Theonomic Reconstructionism:
One God, One Vote:


Theonomic Reconstructionism is a belief that the only true authority is God's, that allegiance to biblical laws trumps that of civic law and that the Kingdom of Heaven needs to be built on Earth before Jesus will come again. In addition to that, homosexuals should be put to death, women should be banned from civic office, apostates and heretics should be stoned to death and there is a great need for more Christian politicians.

Not content to philosophize about such things, the TR movement
sprang into action. Funded by billionaires such as Howard Ahmanson and the Coors and Hunt families, Reconstructionists formed think tanks such as the Chalcedon Institute and the Rutherford Institute (the friendly guys that funded Paula Jones' lawsuit against Clinton) to give the Christian Right a philosophical base to draw from, and political action committees to finance their elections.

According to the Reconstructionists, Jesus would do what Howard Ahmanson did. Ahmanson inherited his money from his father, owner of Home Savings & Loan (during the S&L scandal of the Reagan years, Home's investors, mostly small family investments, lost over $150 million dollars. No one went to jail). In addition to funding PACs and think tanks, Howard Jr. parlayed his fortune into the majority stock of a business called American Information Systems (AIS) started by two enterprising brothers, Todd and Bob Urosevich. AIS later merged with Business Records Corporation (BRC) and became Election Systems & Solutions (ES&S). ES&S is the number one provider of touch-screen voting machines. Their website claims that their products were used in collecting 56% of the national vote in the last presidential elections.

Todd Urosevich is now Vice President of ES&S. Strangely enough, brother Bob moved on to head the second largest computerized vote-counting business, Global Election Systems, recently purchased by ATM and security giant Diebold. (They now have both the Ohio and Georgia contracts.) In a round table swap of incestuous patronage the previous executives of Global moved on to head the third largest vote-counting company in the nation, Advanced Voting Systems. Combined, these three corporations will process nearly 80% of the next nationwide elections.
MORE
http://www.tabletnewspaper.com/politics/73_tftgk.html

:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:52 PM
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56. Soon, the money came rolling in


Soon, the money came rolling in to the Anglican Council, with more than
$1 million in donations from Ahmanson in 2000 and 2001. And the newly
flush Anglican Council redoubled its anti-gay campaign, climaxing in
November when the Episcopal Church consecrated its first openly gay
bishop, the Rt. Rev. Eugene Robinson. With its war chest full and its
strongest pretext yet for a schism, the group cranked up a smear
campaign against Robinson, falsely accusing him of sexual harassment and
administering a bisexual pornography Web site, prompting three wealthy
dioceses to split with the Episcopal Church and join the Anglican
Council's renegade network. Now more dioceses and parishes are poised to
follow, a prospect that threatens to weaken the progressive Episcopal
Church's political influence -- 44 members of Congress are Episcopalian
-- and provide an important new tableau for right-wing political organizing.

The Episcopal Church split is only a small part of Ahmanson's concerted
efforts to radically transform not only American religion, but the
nation's moral culture and, thereby, the country itself. His money has
made possible some of the most pivotal conservative movements in
America's recent history, including the 1994 GOP takeover of the
California Legislature, a ban on gay marriage and affirmative action in
California, and the mounting nationwide campaign to prove Darwin wrong
about evolution. His financial influence also helped propel the recent
campaign to recall California Gov. Gray Davis. And besides contributing
cash to George W. Bush's 2000 presidential campaign, Ahmanson has played
an important role in driving Bush's domestic agenda by financing the
career of Marvin Olasky, a conservative intellectual whose ideas
inspired the creation of the new White House Office of Faith-Based and
Community Initiatives.

After more than 20 years of politically oriented philanthropy, Ahmanson
is now emerging as one of the major financial angels of the right,
putting him in the company of Richard Mellon Scaife, the oil and banking
heir who bankrolled the groundwork for much of the conservative
movement's apparatus and became a household name in the 1990s thanks to
his $2.4 million dirty-tricks campaign against President Bill Clinton. Yet few Americans have heard of Ahmanson -- and that's the way he likes
it. Unlike Scaife, Ahmanson donates cash either out of his own pocket or
through his unincorporated corporate entity, Fieldstead and Co., to
avoid having to report the names of his grantees to the IRS. His
Tourette's syndrome only adds to his reclusive persona, as his fear of
speaking leads him to shun the media. And while Scaife travels the world
in his own DC-7 jet, Ahmanson shuns luxury for a lifestyle of
down-to-earth humility. As his wife of 17 years, Roberta Green Ahmanson,
told me, he once gave up his seat on an airplane for a refund. And when
he goes out for a spin in his neighborhood in Newport Beach, a posh
coastal community 45 minutes south of Los Angeles, he drives a Prius,
Toyota's new, environment-friendly hybrid car. It's a modest choice for
a man who could afford an entire Hummer dealership, but nevertheless a
considerable upgrade from his old Datsun pickup.

At the root of Ahmanson's quirky asceticism and ardent conservatism is
his rocky path from cloistered rich kid to Bible-believing
philanthropist. Ahmanson's father, Howard Sr., was a savings and loan
tycoon whose net worth was valued at over $300 million at the time of
his death in 1968. Howard Jr. was only 18 at the time he inherited the
fortune. Ejected from his sheltered youth to confront a world suddenly
in his palm, the reluctant heir feared that he would never surpass his
father's accomplishments; at the same time, he viewed his inherited
fortune as a wall separating him from humanity. After wandering the
country and the world searching for peace of mind, he returned home in
the mid-'70s still a lost soul.

It was then that he found his salvation in the church and in R.J.
Rushdoony, a prolific author and an influential theologian of the far
right. Rushdoony is the father of Christian Reconstructionism, a strange
variant of Calvinism that stresses waging political struggle to put the
earth, and in particular the U.S., under the control of biblical law. In
his 30-some books, he advocated everything from the end of
government-administered social welfare and public schools to the
execution of homosexuals. For around 20 years, until Rushdoony's death
in 1995, Ahmanson served on the board of his think tank, Chalcedon,
granting it a total of $1 million. In exchange, Rushdoony acted as
Ahmanson's spiritual advisor, imbuing him with a sense of order and a
mission.
more
http://www.ecolivingcenter.com/board/main/messages/1471.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:56 PM
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57. Do you know these people?



http://www.cavalierdaily.com:2001/.Archives/1998/December/4/nsallen.gif

They are the seven highest ranking Republican Senators in the U.S. Senate.

Every one of them received a scorecard of 100% from Christian Coalition.

That means they voted with Christian Coalition 100% of the time.

How were people representing such an extreme ideological point of view elected to the top positions in the Republican Party?

The leaders of the Republican Party were chosen by their colleagues.

March Toward Theocracy
Since the Religious Right began to dominate the Republican Party, and the Republican Party won majorities in both Houses of the U.S. Congress, the influence of the Religious Right has become immense. And they have a powerful ally in the White House. The President's Faith-Based Initiative is transforming the United States into a "Christian" nation.

"And how do you terrorize an evil doer?" he asked. "You enforce Biblical law!" The purpose of government, he said, is "to protect the church of Jesus Christ," and, "Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol!" "There ain't no such thing" as religious pluralism, he declared. Further, "There has never been such a condition in the history of mankind. There is no such place now. There never will be." "What is Christian Reconstructionism?" by Frederick Clarkson, The Public Eye.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/index.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:58 PM
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58. 1994: A WATERSHED YEAR


By election time in 1994 Christian Coalition distributed 40 million copies of the "Family Values Voter's Guide" in more than 100,000 churches nationwide. 1994 was the year Republicans took control of Congress for the first time in 40 years. It was also the year that Republicans made a huge gain in State Legislatures.

The purpose of focusing on state legislative races was so that Republicans could gerrymander Congressional Districts. To be sure, both parties have used the practice of gerrymandering to their advantage, but, in recent years, Republicans have elevated this practice to new heights.

Up until 1994, Democrats held strong majorities in both houses of most State Legislatures. In 1992 Democrats had majorities in both bodies of twenty-five legislatures, Republicans eight. In 1994, Democrats had majorities in eighteen, Republicans, nineteen. By 2003, Democrats had sixteen, Republicans, twenty-one.

Time Magazine, in May, 1995, called Ralph Reed "The Right Hand of God" and credited the Christian Coalition with giving the Republicans their victories. Out of forty-five new members in the U.S. House of Representatives and nine in the U.S. Senate in 1994, roughly half were Christian Coalition candidates.

1996, 45 million voter guides were sent out.

In 2000, 75 million voter guides were sent out to support George Bush.
MORE
http://www.theocracywatch.org/taking_over.htm#Takes
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 12:06 AM
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64. You've heard of the Sopranos. Now meet THE FAMILY
In April, the AP broke the story that six U.S. congressmen were paying the bargain rate of $600 a month each to live together in a swanky DC townhouse owned by a secretive fundamentalist Christian group known as the Fellowship or the Foundation. Many, understandably, were curious. Who is this organization, and what is its agenda?
The group, the AP reported, is best known for holding the annual National Prayer Breakfast at the White House, which offers scores of national and international heavy hitters the opportunity to praise God in close proximity to the President. In the article, the congressmen boarding at the house denied owing any allegiance to the group, and several professed ignorance of even the most basic facts about the organization. Little else was reported about the group's history, motives or backers.
There is a reason for that. The Fellowship is one of the most secretive, and most powerful, religious organizations in the country. Its connections reach to the highest levels of the U.S. government and include ties to the CIA and numerous current and past dictators around the world.
http://www.alternet.org/story/16167

Yet another fundamentalist fringe group not worth worrying about? Current US Senate members include Don Nickles, Charles Grassley, Pete Domenici, John Ensign, Jim Inhofe, Bill Nelson and Conrad Burns. (Strom Thurmond also worked closely with the Family.) Current US House members include Jim DeMint, Frank Wolf, Joseph Pitts, Zach Wamp and Bart Stupak. Among recent “friend” of the Family” are Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, Indonesian dictator General Suharto, Salvadoran torturer Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, and Honduran death squad leader Gustavo Alvarez Martinez.
See:
JESUS PLUS NOTHING
http://harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 12:15 AM
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65. With Day of Prayer, Bush reaches out


His message could appeal to evangelical Christians particularly, which could help him in November.

By Deb Riechmann

WASHINGTON - President Bush reached out to evangelical Christians yesterday in a National Day of Prayer ceremony that religious networks were broadcasting coast to coast.

"At so many crucial points in the life of America, we have been a nation at prayer," Bush said, recalling that Abraham Lincoln called the country to prayer in the darkest days of the Civil War and that Franklin Roosevelt led U.S. citizens in prayer 60 years ago when U.S. and British troops invaded German-occupied France.

Some academic specialists on religion and politics - and some advocates of a stark division between church and state - suggested the Republicans were using the 53d annual National Day of Prayer to give the GOP an edge in the election.

"This event has very strong underpinnings of partisan support for the President, and that's what it's designed to do," said Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "It's not like he is ignoring other religious groups, but he knows that this day is the one where he signals, 'I am an evangelical Christian. Remember that in November.' "
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/8608049....


Friday, May 07, 2004

Bush joins in evangelical broadcast
By Deb Riechmann
The Associated Press

AP
President Bush bows his head during prayer services at the National Day of Prayer ceremony in the White House.


WASHINGTON — President Bush yesterday appealed to evangelical Christians in a National Day of Prayer ceremony broadcast coast-to-coast by religious networks.
"At so many crucial points in the life of America, we have been a nation at prayer," Bush said, recalling that Abraham Lincoln had called the country to prayer in the darkest days of the Civil War and that Franklin Roosevelt led U.S. citizens in prayer 60 years ago when U.S. and British troops invaded German-occupied France.

Some academic specialists on religion and politics — and some advocates of a stark division between church and state — suggested Republicans were using the 53rd annual National Day of Prayer to give the GOP an edge in the November election.

"This event has very strong underpinnings of partisan support for the president, and that's what it's designed to do," said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "It's not like he is ignoring other religious groups, but he knows that this day is the one where he signals 'I am an evangelical Christian. Remember that in November.' "

During yesterday's event, one of thousands of National Day of Prayer observances, Bush recognized Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb of the Orthodox Union of Jews, other religious leaders as well as conservative Oliver North, an Iran-contra figure turned radio talk-show host who is honorary chairman of this year's National Day of Prayer.

"We cannot be neutral in the face of injustice or cruelty or evil," Bush said. "God is not on the side of any nation, yet we know he is on the side of justice. And it is the deepest strength of America that from the hour of our founding, we have chosen justice as our goal.

"Our greatest failures as a nation have come when we lost sight of that goal: in slavery, in segregation, and in every wrong that has denied the value and dignity of life. Our finest moments have come when we have faithfully served the cause of justice for our own citizens and for the people of other lands."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001922191_bushprayer07.html

She also made no apologies about the exclusion of Muslims and others outside of the "Judeao-Christian tradition" from ceremonies planned by the task force on Capitol Hill and in state capitals across the country. "They are free to have their own national day of prayer if they want to," she said. "We are a Christian task force."

The White House press office and presidential adviser Karl Rove's office did not respond to calls seeking comment on the National Day of Prayer observances.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A5572-2004May5¬Found=true

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #55
66. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia


Supreme Court Justice Scalia is the person who could have the greatest impact in helping the Religious Right establish its sovereignty. President Bush has talked about Scalia as the justice he admires the most.

Scalia spoke at the University of Chicago Divinity School in January, 2002, and wrote an article for First Things, in May, 2002. He quotes St. Paul: "...Government...derives its moral authority from God. It is the minister of God with powers to "avenge" to "execute wrath" including even wrath by the sword (which is unmistakenly a reference to the death penalty)." Scalia appears hostile to Democracy: The "consensus"

"has been upset, I think by the emergence of democracy...It is much more difficult to see the hand of God...behind the fools and rogues...we ourselves elect of our own free will."

He sees democracy as obscuring the divine authority: "the reaction of people of faith to this tendency of democracy to obscure divine authority...should the resolution to combat it as effectively as possible."

Scalia views the United States Constitution as "dead" rather than as a living document that evolves along with society.

"...the Constitution that I interpret is not living but dead...It means today not what current society (much less the Court) thinks it ought to mean, but what it meant when it was adopted."

This view of the US Constitution as "dead" could become the basis of a strategy to dismantle the separation of church and state. In a speech on January 12, 2003, at a Religious Freedom Day event, Scalia said that the principle was not imbedded in the constitution and therefore should be added democratically, which means through a constitutional amendment. An amendment to the Constitution on church-state separation would be impossible to achieve in the current political climate, so the argument is disingenuous.

Scalia, speaking to a crowd of about 150 in Fredericksburg to mark a "Religious Freedom Day," asserted that America's Founding Fathers never meant to "exclude God from the public forums and from political life." "Scalia sounds like a TV preacher, not a Supreme Court justice," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. "His job is to uphold the Constitution, not promote religiosity."


The swelling controversy has exposed other less egregious but still troubling outside activities by Justice Scalia. The Los Angeles Times recently reported that he delivered a speech to a $150-a-plate dinner of an anti-gay advocacy group in Philadelphia even as the Supreme Court was deliberating in the Texas sodomy case last year

more
http://www.theocracywatch.org/biblical_law2.htm


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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Well it sounded like a prophecy but I think it is satire.
Are you saying Bush is the AntiChrist, gonna die and rise again or what? He isn't that well loved....Only half the people would mourn his loss, the rest of the world would have a party. Don't fit the AntiChrist scenearo. He hasn't given us any peace either..Not the 3 1/2 years. I think this is satire.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Not satire. THey REALLY BELIEVE this.
And I am NOT the one saying this.
I have simply brought it to your attention.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. Honey, the only thing they believe in is never, and I mean never,
ever coming remotely close to poverty (as in having less than 20 million to play with). Wealth is their one true God. The rest is pandering and posturing.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #23
44. I wish.
Wake up, people.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:03 PM
Response to Original message
3. Uh, impressive, but....its about oil and the US and oil and Saudi Arabia
and oil and protection in region for the statehood of Saudi Arabia and its oil and protection for Israel and its supporters who rely on oil and.....

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. ....and you know that and I know that BUT
does the White House know that?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. The white house doesn't "know" anything better
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. er.. yes - Cheney, Rove, Rice and Powell
know this. Bushjr - not sure... the most extreme rightwing politicized christians and their leaders.. they don't know it.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. They all know it. Nobody said you could't be rich as hell when the
rapture shows up.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. LOL!
true...
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #29
73. Yeah, just in case the rapture doesn't come quite as quickly ....
as they would like, there's no reason for the "haves" to quit extracting ridiculous profits from America's addiction to oil, especially if they can do it at the common US taxpayer's expense. If it takes a war to get that black gold, no problem. It's not their kids that are on the front lines and the military contractors can make big bucks too! Besides, even if the KNOWN oil reserves of Iraq have been significantly depleted (and they haven't, BTW) 90% of Iraq is still unexplored.
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. Bush probaly believes all this..but he's just the vehicle so others
can get the oil.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:05 PM
Response to Original message
5. Ummmm....
8 million barrels of oil is a drop in the bucket of what is still in the ground in Iraq.

You are seriously misinformed about the Iraqi oil situation!
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Anything that can gobble up
8 million million barrels in that short a time has to be respected.

The Saudis were MOST ANNOYED
when the US dumped that bacteria in the Persian Gulf,
knowing full well that seawater is frequently pumped into the oilfields to maintain pressure.

How much oil do you suppose there is anyway?
At the rate it gets used up, how long do you think it will last?
WITHOUT the bacteria.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:05 PM
Response to Original message
6. No it wasn't.........
it was about a crazy man who had a new Army and wanted to play with it.
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DoktorGreg Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:11 PM
Response to Original message
12. Bravo!!!
I agree with not a word of what you said, however I found it outstanding reading! Thankyou!!! Encore!! Encore!! Encore!!
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
35. Then you are just going to LOVE this.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:13 PM
Response to Original message
15. The shrub and his gang are stealing 1.9 million barrels of oil
every day in Iraq at 45 to 50 dollars a barrel and control of the manufacturing juice the entire world runs on. It's about oil and power and control.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Even Maddona, the Material Girl
has gotten religion.
This a sure sign of end times.

ShrubCo is doing most of their stealing from the US Treasury.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:14 PM
Response to Original message
17. 8 trillion barrels of oil?
That's a lot of oil.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. Yup, and the bacteria ate it all up
and said,
"I can't beleive I ate the whole thing."

Seriously,
that oil was devoured in a few weeks.
What do you think happened
when the Kuwaitis went and pumped seawater into Iraqi oilfields via those slant drills that caused the Gulf War in the first place?

The oil-eating bacteria lost it's appetite?
Somehow I don't think so.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Spew! SPUTTER!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Unintended consequences, anyone? :silly: BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
28. 8 trillion barrels doesn't sound right
8 million barrels would be about four days worth. 8 trillion would be about 4 million days worth. That would end up being about 11,000 years of exports. At current rates that much oil would last the world about 274 years.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. George Bernard Shaw once said that
England and America are two countries divided by a common language.

When it comes to multiple millions,
that division seems to kick in.
Perhaps something did get lost in translation.

The quote is in the first post.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 08:42 PM
Response to Original message
33. Well, it's comforting you don't restrict your conspiracy theories to 9/11
But this one is about as wacky.

Oil eating bacteria are in almost every oil well in the world. Oil cleanup using bacteria largely consists of chemicals that break the oil into more easily digestible chunks for those bacteria or increasing the level of oxygen and/or fertilizers that make them more active. Neither would have a lasting effect on the bacteria.

This isn't an introduction of something new into Iraqi oil wells that wasn't there before. In fact, knowing that these bacteria exist wherever oil is found, there is some thought that learning how to kill it underground may revive long-dead oil wells.

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Yes dear
the bacteria has its uses.
But Iraq had no use for it.

Such bacteria are intruduced into oilfields where the crude has a high sulphur content. The bacteria helps to "sweeten" the crude.
Iraq already has light sweet crude.

Frodo,
did you check out the thread on black water? Its on my favorite forum.
(I am trying to live up to the CT rep Frodo just laid on me.)

You see,
there was this black water off Florida's coast some time back. It was hushed up like you would not beleive. Some government scientists were heard to say that the black water was not there at all, or that it was so insignificant that they were unable to locate it. The thread postulated that the oil-eating bacterial got into the US national reserve which is adjacent to where the massive black-water-mass was located.
But only a conspircacy theorist would postulate such a theory.
What goes around comes around?
NEVER!

Check the story out:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/03/27/black.blob/

http://web.naplesnews.com/sections/specials/blackwater/front.html


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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Standard tactics
Ignore the point - concentrate on the spin

The bacteria were already there. Iraq had oil eating bacteria in their oil wells before they had Iraqi's DRILLING those wells. Before there WERE Iraqi's. How do you think oil spills have cleaned themselves up over the last hundred years or so?



And you make pumping 10% of the field production BACK into the wells sound like Iraw is IMPORTING oil? How did you get that from the link you provided?

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. Iraq IS importing oil
Edited on Sat Aug-14-04 09:56 PM by DulceDecorum
even though
Halliburton got pulled from the contract due to overcharging.

Bacteria are everywhere.
But not the specially-designed-and-patented oil-eating bacteria that have been tailor-made to devour crude from specific oilfields.

Company experts surveyed the region by air Saturday and said the biggest difficulty would be getting enough water to put out the fires in the desert. In 1991, fires at many of Kuwait's wells were doused by pumping water from the Persian Gulf.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/08/iraq/main634639.shtml

But Philip Carroll, a retired petroleum executive and the senior American oil adviser in Baghdad, said in an interview that Iraqi oil production "experienced a terrible month in July because electrical problems cut us back to half of what we should have produced." Those problems, including the need to import considerable fuel, he said, led him to arrange new generator leases in late July.
Mr. Carroll said that although gross production for the week of July 25 was a million barrels a day, 350,000 barrels had to be injected back into the ground, because of a lack of storage or distribution infrastructure.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1005-02.htm

One of the reasons for importing foreign crude and injecting it into the oilfields is so as to damage or slow down the bacteria.

The stuff that was dumped into the Persian gulf was designer bacteria.
It works best on Iraqi oil which is exactly the type of crude it was designed to consume. Iraqi oil was the stuff that was being pumped into Kuwait via those US and UK-provided slant drills.
If seawater from the Persian Gulf is pumped into, say, an Azerbaijani oilfield, it will not acause as much damage since the crude over there has a somewhat different composition.

And I still think that pumping oil INTO an oilwell is a bad idea.

But much of Iraq's infrastructure was damaged during the war, and the economic sanctions that followed kept Iraq from getting the latest technology, spare parts and investment for its oil fields throughout the 1990s.
"Oil experts acknowledge that Iraq's oil sector is being held together by 'Band-Aids,'" said a recent study by the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy of Rice University.
As a result, Iraq's production capacity has been steadily shrinking, from about 3.5 million barrels a day in 1990 to about 2 million barrels a day in 2002.
And some of the methods used to keep the oil flowing -- including "water flooding," in which lighter, refined oil products are pumped into oil reservoirs to push the crude oil to the surface -- may have done long-term damage to the oil reservoirs, according to Saybolt International, a Dutch consulting firm that has monitored Iraq's oil infrastructure for the United Nations.
Additionally, the Baker Institute study warned that sudden production shutdowns -- which might have occurred at many fields during the latest war -- could do even more damage to oil reservoirs.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/16/news/economy/war_oil_primer/

Incidentally, Frodo,
HOW did oil manage to spill itself BEFORE there were Iraqis or US foreign policies?

Not that we are going to need oil,
after the Rapture.
Onward Christian Soldiers.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:10 PM
Response to Original message
40. I didn't realize Buxh was so complex and multi faceted
I see it all now, we've been FOOLS.


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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:22 PM
Response to Original message
42. What happens when
*co brings us to Armageddon and the rapture doesn't occur?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. I just hope there is a hell for republicans.
If they do bring their theories to fruition.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. They will do what they ALWAYS do:
blame Clinton.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:30 PM
Response to Original message
45. Oh bullshit.
...
As for the corporate takeover of the Iraqi oil industry, that has become the prime mission of the American soldiers engaged there. Kellogg Brown & Root also does a tidy business in the oil-infrastructure repair market. "The troops aren't hunting terrorists or building a country," said the Reuters photographer. "All they do is guard the convoys running north and south. The convoys north are carrying supplies and empty tankers for the oil fields around Mosul and Tikrit. The convoys south bring back what they pull out of the ground up there. That's where all these kids are getting killed. They get hit with IEDs while guarding these convoys, and all hell breaks loose."
...
The soldiers over there are hip to the jive at this point. Michael Hoffman, a Marine corporal in artillery, was part of the original March invasion. Before Hoffman's unit shipped out, his battery first sergeant addressed all the enlisted men. "Don't think you're going to be heroes," said Hoffman's sergeant. "You're not going over there because of weapons of mass destruction. You're not going there to get rid of Saddam Hussein, or to make Iraq safe for democracy. You're going there for one reason and one reason alone: Oil."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080904A.shtml
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
47. Forget about it!
I have it on good authority that only the Lutherans will be raptured. Everybody else got it wrong.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:04 PM
Response to Original message
50. "the world's most dangerous weapons" ??
and supposedly those are Saddam's chemical weapons, and not US nuclear weapons?

who do you think will believe that?


"not much oil left in Iraq"

Something like 2/3 of all natural oil reserves is in the M/E. Worst case scenario - peakoil is here now which means natural oil reserves are roughly at the half-way point. Then there still are significant amounts of oil in Iraq, it'll be worth it to control it even though production will get ever more expensive from now on.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. The people who actually work in oilfields
have been saying for some time that the damage being done to Iraqi oilfields by the US and UK is probably going to be permanent.

The bombing,
followed by the pummping of oil-eating-bacteria-contaminated seawater,
not to mention the sanctions
and the the shock and awe
and firing all Baathist employees,
and no electricity,
etc etc.
These things have taken a toll.

Do you foresee the US
allowing the Iraqis to manage their own affairs?
And repair their oilfields.
Or do you see the US trying to kill everything that moves?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. yeah? what about those "most dangerous weapons"?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. You must be referring to the * speech
President Delivers "State of the Union"
January 28, 2003

The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages -- leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind, or disfigured. Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained -- by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape. If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning. (Applause.)
And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country -- your enemy is ruling your country. (Applause.) And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. (Applause.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html




U.S. Code: Title 36 : Section 176
Respect for flag
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down,
except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger
to life or property.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/36/chapters/10/sections/section%5F176.html

You asked about world's most dangerous weapons.

A slide showed Mr Bush in the Oval office, leaning to look under a piece of furniture. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere," he told the audience, drawing applause.
Another slide showed him peering into another part of the office, "Nope, no weapons over there," he said, laughing. "Maybe under here," he said, as a third slide was shown.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1178547,00.html
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 11:00 PM
Response to Original message
59. What was the first thing the troops controlled & guarded ?
only one guess now...

But the rapture IS a fun story

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. The Iraqi Oil Ministry Building in Baghdad
Meanwhile, the oilfields were beeing looted.
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Winner ! ....you win an all expense paid trip to the
middle east....see uncle sam for details.

They secured the ministry AND the oil fields...and let the rest of Iraq go to hell....where it remains.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #63
69. Iraqi oilfields
were looted.
The soldiers had to remove some solid gold faucets from Saddam's palaces
for safekeeping in their knapsacks.

18-04-03 Crude oil from the wells of northern Iraq was expected to help stabilize world oil prices, fund the country's reconstruction and perhaps pay for some of the war efforts. But WIDESPREAD LOOTING of the northern oil facilities has put any prospect of a quick recovery in doubt.
In the south, WAR AND SABOTAGE have disabled oil production for months at least. Experts estimate it will cost between $ 3 bn and $ 5 bn over two years just to restore Iraq's oil industry to its production levels before the 1991 Gulf War.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntm32054.htm

Experts predict stabilizing and slightly declining oil prices over the next year, as Iraqi production slowly picks up the pace and the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) adjusts production in other member states. As Iraq boasts the world’s cheapest lifting and transport costs, experts agree that it is essential for the country to maximize production as soon as possible.
2003 IRAQ OIL PRODUCTION INFORMATION FROM THE ENERGY INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION :
Iraq hopes to expand production to 2.0 million barrels of oil per day (bpd) by December 2003, 2.8 million bpd by April 2004 and 6.0 million bpd by 2010. Expanding production has already been slower than anticipated, as the rebuilding faces FREQUENT SABOTAGE AND LOOTING, outdated oil technology, theft of crude oil, and ongoing security issues with the main pipeline that crisscrosses the nation.
http://www.geotimes.org/oct03/feature_oil.html

Uprising halves Iraq oil exports
Sun 15 August, 2004
The uprising has helped oil prices reach record highs. U.S. crude oil futures hit $46.65 a barrel on Friday, the latest peak in a series of record highs, underpinned by worries about sabotage in Iraq and fresh evidence of strong Chinese demand. Analysts see U.S. oil heading for $50.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=565517§ion=news

The 11-nation Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is pumping near its limits to keep up with demand and build inventories. Crude oil topped US$45 on Tuesday for the first time in the 21-year history of futures trading in New York.
World demand will jump by 1.8 million barrels a day in 2005, after a record gain of 2.5 million this year, the IEA said, confirming previous forecasts.
The IEA was founded in 1974 after the Arab oil embargo of the previous year caused a surge in prices that hurt western economies. Members hold oil inventories to prevent shortages, which are "ready" for use if needed, the report said.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-08/13/content_364964.htm

Which brings us back to the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

April 20, 2000
The Strategic Petroleum Reserve was established in 1975 following the first major oil crisis. Built as a complex of deep oil storage caverns along the Gulf of Mexico coast, the Reserve had an initial design life of 20 years. In 1993, when much of the surface equipment began to approach the end of its projected lifetime, the Energy Department began a systematic effort to upgrade each of the four oil storage sites, two each in Louisiana and Texas.
http://fossil.energy.gov/news/techlines/2000/tl_sprlifeext.html

January 22, 2002
Currently the Reserve holds 550 million barrels of oil stored deep within salt caverns along the Gulf of Mexico in Texas and Louisiana.
http://fossil.energy.gov/news/techlines/2002/tl_sprrik2002_sol.html

March 17, 2002
First sighted in January, the mass of black-colored water reached from 20 miles north of Marathon Key halfway to Naples and stretched west almost 20 miles into the Gulf of Mexico. Fishermen don't know if it's moved in from the north or offshore or if it originated in the coastal waters off southwest Florida.
<snip>
04/10/2002 update: According to National Geographic, scientists still haven't figured out what is causing the large mass of black water off the Florida coast. Described as "sewage-colored" and containing material that is slimy and gelatinous, the mysterious formation was first spotted in January 2002 between Naples and Key West. Satellite images confirmed the existence of the formation and showed that it was hundreds of square miles in size
http://eces.org/articles/000494.php

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve had an initial design life of 20 years.
It was established in 1975.
1975 + 20 = 1995
(And I didn't even mention the oil-eating bacteria.)

Some shrimpers based in Fort Myers Beach worry that a recent and unexplained slew of FLESH-DESTROYING infections they've seen among their number may be related to problems in the Gulf. The infection is diagnosed as cellulitis in three of their medical reports. They say it begins with a blister on the skin but swells to a large nodule before it erupts and then spreads. It can only be treated with strong antibiotics.
Two of the Fort Myers Beach fishermen who suffered the infections are Kevin Flanaghan, who nearly lost his foot, and Willie Sherwood. They work for different fleets; both run out of Fort Myers Beach. Both of them and others say there is fear among laborers in their line of work about the infection that seems to follow cuts doused with waters from the Gulf. Many report taking precautions such as bleaching their gear and washing up with heavy-duty anti-bacterial soap after pulling in their nets.
http://eces.org/articles/000494.php

That "cellulitis" is really something called MRSA which is a bacteria that is EXTREMELY RESISTANT to almost all known antibiotics.
I do not know if MRSA has been patented.
But we DO KNOW FOR A FACT that
the black water cleaned itself up and is no longer there.
Just like the 12 inch thick,
400 mile long
oil spill in the Persian Gulf cleaned itself up in 1991,
thanks to a certain patented bacteria.
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 11:37 PM
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62. i disagree
w/some of DDs reasoning, but we *MUST* see that a worldwide crusade/jihad is just around the corner. for what ever reasons the dictators have to start this war, they're counting on fundamentalist xians/jews/muslims to keep it going.

this not going to end soon, folks. & we haven't seen bloodspilling yet.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:39 AM
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68. The war was about 3 things - OIL, Israel's Security and GW's Vengeance
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 12:18 PM
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70. The second one
holds a lot of sway with the believers.
With friends like these....
http://slate.msn.com/id/17513/

PLEASE NOTE:
The opinions expressed by Jerry Falwell are his.
They are NOT mine
I take NO responsibility for anything that man says or does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 01:31 PM
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71. He's a creep
a super creep
he's SUPER-CREEPY!
Dada da-da-dup da-dup da-dup!
:evilgrin:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:11 PM
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72. Glad to see you posted this as its own thread!
Now, here's a kick for ya while I go and read it!

:dem:

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