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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 10:55 AM
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So now that Chavez will remain president, he should arrest the opposition.
Not all of the opposition, but most definiately the key figures of the opposition. They should go to jail for treason, for trying to undermind Venezuelan democracy.

Once again congratulations to the poor people of Venezuela!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 10:56 AM
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1. That's a horrid, ridiculous and self-defeating suggestion.
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 10:57 AM by stickdog
Chavez himself would slap you for suggesting such a thing.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:24 AM
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11. Yes, absurd. That is not how democracy works. nt
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 10:59 AM
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2. oh yeh that would really make people feel comfortable
gimme a break. Tyranny on the left is no better than Tyranny on the right. Dissent is a right regardless of the ideology.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:05 AM
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5. These people tried to overthrow their own democracy
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 11:05 AM by Melodybe
to help the elite. I'm sorry but that is treason and they should be jailed. I didn't say they should be shot, or as our Saudi friends would have it, publically beheaded. I said they should be jailed.

I don't think that it is tyranny, dissent is good but when the dissent is funded by Bushco just to rob Venezuelans of their oil, I totally think that jail is a just punishment.

Much like Bushco, I hope that they rot in a jail cell, with all of their assets frozen and they money taken from them.

Much like Bushco they will forever try to lie and steal and force their will on the populace, I don't think that I am being extreme or advocating tyranny.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:18 AM
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9. you mean they tried to hold an election?
Look, maybe you disagree with their methodology and their ideology, but you dont simply round up and jail dissenters for treason. That is insane. And yes you are being extreme and in fact advocating tyranny.

They held a vote fer crissakes...sounds a lot like democracy if you ask me. The vote may have been un-needed but it was a vote nonetheless. Tell me again how asking the people to decide who the leader of the country should be is un-democratic?

Tell me again how jailing those who called for a VOTE is not tyrannical?
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:24 AM
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12. In fairness
much of the opposition has gone outside the law in one way or another during this campaign. For example, there was a famous interview in which one of the opposition heads called for Chavez to be killed. But I agree that any crackdown now would be very very very counterproductive - no one likes a sore winner.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:26 AM
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i don't disagree with you that the opposition are scumbags
and certainly the one calling for Chavez to be murdered should be brought to justice and so should any who operated outside the law, but simply rounding up the opposition is tyranny, there is no other word for it.

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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:27 AM
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14. Aye, agreed
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 11:30 AM by Vladimir
in fact of course none of them will, because as I say sometimes it is politically more prudent to not apply the full force of the law. The opposition should self destruct if left to itself now, any arrests even if justified would only galvanise them.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:31 AM
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17. That is what I said! Goodness I am not advocating rounding up
civilians who unfortunately are mislead by their own greed. I am talking about those that broke the law and are in kahootz with Bushco.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:26 AM
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13. I am not talking about rounding up all that protested Chavez or those that
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 11:28 AM by Melodybe
voted against him. I am talking about jailing the individuals that are in kahootz with our Government, to keep Chavez from office.

Aren't those the same individuals that tried to arrange a military coup?
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:28 AM
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16. you said that key figures of the opposition should be jailed for treason
that's tyranny. Any of the opposition who operated outside the law shoudl be brought to justice, as should any in Chavez's camp (and if you think that Chavez supporters didnt play a few dirty tricks of their own you're deluding yourself).
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:37 AM
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20. I must not have been very clear in what I meant, b/c y'all took my post
and totally made it mean something that I did not intend. I am sorry for the confusion.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:01 AM
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3. The ONLY ones that should be arrested are those who attempted to...
actually over throw the Democratically Elected Government.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:03 AM
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4. he showed restraint after the coup
and he's going to go lose it now, and prove he's a tyrant? Are you kidding?

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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:05 AM
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6. Why? They were operating within Constitutional limits, if I
understand correctly.

Arresting the opposition is a horrible idea. That's not how democracy works.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:08 AM
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7. No. But, he should expose those who got "help" from the CIA.
Or, whatever bunch of "Intelligence" goons were funding the recall.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:17 AM
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8. not all of the opposition operated within "constitutional limits"
and for you that said "thats how democracy works" try that same shit in bushs amerika and see how fast your democracy becomes a prison cell.

bushco does not believe in democracy. they have demostrated it at every turn.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:27 AM
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15. Try the same shit in America? We don't have recall
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 11:31 AM by Cat Atomic
elections for the Presidency included in our Constitution.

I expect some parts of the opposition did not operate within constitutional limits, as you say. But that's what law enforcement is for. If they broke the law they should pay a price.

The poster simply advocated tossing "the opposition" into prison.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:40 AM
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21. Look! I meant the select FEW that are in Kahootz with the CIA
you are turning my words around.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:45 AM
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22. Fine, ok. But even the people who were in communication
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 11:46 AM by Cat Atomic
with US agents might not be guilty of a crime. It seemed to me that you were saying the opposition leaders should be jailed for their opposition, and not for a specific crime. They should go to prison if they broke the law, sure. You'll get no argument from me on that one.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:53 AM
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25. amen..,bushco executed a coup
and its members will all collect a government pension for their treason. :shrug: only in america...
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:22 AM
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10. No doubt some of them should
go to jail for a multitude of reasons. As the joke goes: arrest the rich - if you don't know why, they certainly do. Seriously though, that would be counterproductive and silly at this point. The time to crack down with arrests was after the coup, when Chavez had every justification for doing so. At the moment the opposition is fucked 6 ways from Sunday and looking very very silly. No need to make martyrs out of the politicaly deceased...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:33 AM
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18. Would he have jurisdiction for the White House?
Too bad he doesn't. That I would like to see.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:35 AM
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19. Can we have public executions too? nt
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:48 AM
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23. WHAT? - He should (and will, I'm sure) take the higher ground
What you are suggesting WOULD make him a despot
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:51 AM
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24. Yeah, like duh. This is a very annoying thread.
Means determine ends; and must be like the ends proposed.
Means intrinsically different from the ends proposed achieve
ends like themselves, not like those they were meant to
achieve. Violence and war will produce a peace and an social
organization having the potentialities for more violence and
war.
A.H. Eyeless in Gaza


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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:20 PM
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26. yeah, that will strengthen democracy! 1
sheesh, that sounds like Ann Coulter talking in the US.,
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