Novak: GOP to Implode if Bush Loses

[Mike L]

"For all the talk about polarization, I find a startling agreement (from) everybody I talk to," syndicated columnist Robert Novak told the audience. "Nobody seems to like George Bush very much. The Democrats I talk to hate him and the Republicans aren't very enthusiastic about him."

"If George W. Bush loses this election, you are going to find an implosion in the Republican Party," Novak said. "The Christian conservatives will be blamed, unfairly I think, by people who don't want them in the party."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=%5CCommentary%5Carchive%5C200408%5CCOM20040816c.html

We can only hope Novak is right on THIS point.

[Ducks In A Row]

1. and novak's says it like it's a bad thing

hee hee

[Bjornsdotter]

9. My thought exactly! n/t

[Piperay]

47. BWAHAHAHA

sounds good to me! :bounce:

[xray s]

2. Republicans...gaze upon the Republican party of Illinois...

...it's your fate. Enjoy! :)

[MisterP]

5. every time I see "Law and Order," I think of that dear, dear man

from Illinois and his whips-and-chains

[jayctravis]

10. "dear dear man with whips and chains"

Speaking of Ryan?

Nothing wrong with that lifestyle if it's consensual.

Seems his wife's objections were to swinging. Don't know anything further than that.

[Cheswick2.0]

44. it sucks when it's not consensual and it is questionable when it is

He takes her once, she says no. He takes her again she says no. So he takes her again and she cry and he yells at her because "it's a turn off when you cry"... or some such abusive nonsense.

Even when consensual it is questionable of this lifestyle is healthy emotionally or physically. People agree to all kinds of thing that they later regret.

[Warren DeMontague]

70. Right, it's far more healthy

To run around preaching at other people about how to live their lives.

[Alpharetta]

3. implode but not go away

Nobody has secured the nukes in Pakistan and former U.S.S.R.

If one of those nukes gets sold and America suffers an attack, we'll have a rightwing resurgence like you wouldn't believe. The Patriot Act will be child's play. The GOP will come back and build a cross on the White House lawn and detain all non-Christians. "Our founding fathers would have wanted it that way," they'll say.

[shimmergal]

67. That's why all the info. in the Plame threads needs

to get out to the general public. If there's a trail from Cheney...

[jimshoes]

4. Why wait...

gonna happen anyway. Let the implosion begin Bob.

[Disturbed]

12. Half correct.

He didn't mention the Neo Fascists. Most Paleo-Conservs loath them. The Paleo-Conservs are mostly gnashing their teeth and keeping quite but I bet privately they are voicing epithets at Dumbass and his Junta of Neo Fascists.

[Mike L]

19. Paleos

"The Paleo-Conservs are mostly gnashing their teeth and keeping quiet"

Not Pat Buchanan. He hates their guts.

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_06_07/index1.html

[porkrind]

78. I wonder why?

Why would Buchanan hate fascists? They are a natural consequence of his ultra-libertarian fantasy.

Eeeeewwwww.

:dem:

[bushwakker]

6. There will be a GOP boodbath which may be a prelude

to a genuine re-alignment in favor of the Dems. At the heart of this GOP fissure is the dominance of the fundies and their ant-future agenda. It's a real turnoff for the libertarian/Gopers. From the ruins may emerge a pro-life party. However first things first. AWOL must be beaten. If he wins all the spilts get papered over and WE have a bloodbath amongst ourselves.

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. The antics of the last three years prove what a stupid ideology

the rw has. They can't make the reduce taxes/increase revenue idea work.

[bluestateguy]

8. It could be a several front civil war

Neo-cons vs. paleo-cons

Country Club/Libertarian Republicans vs. religious fundamentalist wackos

All a Bush victory does is delay these inevitable intra-party battles.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I hope he's right.

I will throw a HUGE party when it happens! :party::party::party::party:

I hope the Religious Right Wing Zealots start their own party. The repukes would never win another election if that happened. Wouldn't that be sweeeet.

~~~~~~~~~~~~anxiously awaiting the implosion of the repuke party~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Hallelujah! AMEN!!!!!

[Mike L]

22. Yeah, the RWR whackos may finally realize the GOP is only using "morality"

as window-dressing to suck in their votes. They should go to the Constitution Party.

[Jade Fox]

45. That would be nice. If that unholy alliance were to break up...

forces for progress is this country might be able to really make some moves!

[proud patriot]

13. I wonder if Novack has ever read my sigline

:evilgrin:

[K-W]

14. It will depend entirely on business.

If they lose faith in the movement conservatives, there will be an implosion.

[stickdog]

15. And just like with the WTC towers, their toxic waste will fill the air.

[DrWeird]

16. You know, during the summer of '00 i really didn't care who won.

I was of the opinion: I much prefer Gore, but if Bush wins he's going to be a complete twit that loses in '04 and is going to completely destroy the GOP.

[never_get_over_it]

39. But it sure wasn't worth

all the dead Iraqis, Afghanis and American soldiers for him to have had these four years...I say may the man and his entire administration rot in hell after they live out their natural lives behind bars!!!

[Green Lantern]

54. Amen Amen

[RobertSeattle]

17. Isn't CNSNews.com a RW site?

Perhaps this is a "shot across the bow" piece to wake up the adults in the GOP to what the radicals like Bush/Cheney/Delay have done.

[myomy]

18. The GOP has a lot to answer for in forcing this idiot down our throats.

Let the fun begin.

[DeepModem Mom]

21. I said at the time that one of our two major parties even nominating...

such a man -- such a ridiculously unqualified person -- for President of the United States was a disgrace to the country, and a callous act against the people.

[KC21304]

28. That's about the way I was thinking.

I said I didn't know who was more despicable. The puppetmasters who put him forward or him for going along with it. He sure as hell knew he was in way over his head.

[jimshoes]

24. Yes and then I want to hear why

the media was equally willing to prop up this nitwit at every turn.

[DeepModem Mom]

33. That, too, is a disgrace, and a callous act against the people nt

[MichiganVote]

20. Ok, I can live with that.

[Placebo]

23. Novak Is At His Best When He Is a Being Political Analyst...

he's brilliant at it!

it's when he tries to debate policy as a republican when i hate him.

[calimary]

25. Astounding to find myself agreeing with Robert "Mr. Treason" Novak.

But here, I do.

That's really fascinating - "Nobody seems to like george bush very much...and the Republicans aren't very enthusiastic about him." WHOA! I'd also say LET THE IMPLOSION BEGIN!

He's wrong about one aspect of this - about the Xian conservatives (can't use the name of Christ in reference to these awful people) "will be blamed, unfairly I think, by people who don't want them in the party." Nothing unfair about it. They ARE to blame. They are MAINLY to blame. They're MOST of what's really gone egregiously bad about what I used to think of as the Republican party. They're the body-snatchers and the bedroom busy-bodies and the rapture-hasteners and the holier-than-thous. They, as a single group, have done more to spread hatred and intolerance than any other group I can think of in our recent history, except maybe the KKK. But perhaps they're worse because they do it in the name of Our Lord, and carry on as though this is His work and His wish. They're nothing but modern-day Pharisees who've given EVERY religion a bad name. They've done more to damage the concept of religion, and of belief in God, than anybody. Even more than the Islamic whackos have. They put Osama to shame. They make al Qaeda look like a Romper Room convention. It is TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY fair and accurate to blame them for EVERYTHING. Mainly by turning the Prince of Peace into a figurehead of hate.

[Ladyhawk]

36. Thank you. I was raised by fundies.

I think it might have worked out better had I been raised by wolves. ;)

[ItsMyParty]

41. Ladyhawk------hahahaha

..that was beautiful!!! I was wondering if perhaps there are little kids right now being raised by these nutcases might someday as they go off to college resurrect our old "fighting the establishment" thing of the '60's and turn against these lunatic parents and their ugly view of this country. But then again, if they are raised in the religious schools and sent to the religious colleges, it probably won't happen.

[Cha]

50. You and I agree totally on this, calimary!

Please see my post below.

I think this is the most dangerous aspect of the bush years..he and his fool followers thinking God is only on their side. And I'm not even sure I believe that he is "born again".

[boot@9]

62. Amen brother.

Read What's The Matter With Kansas by Thomas Frank.

[TankLV]

68. My thoughts exactly.

My disgust with what these phoney people have done in the name of christ has caused me to utter shameful things that I really don't believe - here on this forum.

I am truly surprised at the hate that these haters has caused to well up in me as a defense.

Of that, I am truely sorry, for I know I am better than that.

I was once proud to be a Christian during the struggle for Civil Rights. I was even glad for "politicing" in the churches - because they were doing it for a nobel cause. I don't feel that way anymore.

Maybe I can soon feel that way again.

[Skittles]

26. got news for you Novak, you traitorous bastard

they are imploding right now.

[Killarney]

27. Oh yes.

That would be the icing on the cake of a Kerry win if the GOP imploded after. YES! YES! YES!

[opihimoimoi]

31. The Implosion will be in the form of "cutting out the deadwood"

or, a re alignment/re adjustment/cleansing out/mode.

They will come back wiser and learned in How to survive in a symbiotic compromise....it will take time to realize true progress comes with maturity in judging/making decisions/ with higher odds.

[KelleyKramer]

29. And Novakula will be going to prison for treason!

He's got good reason to fear a Bush loss, since he committed treason against the US war on terror.

When we get an honest person in the White House and DOJ, then treasonous assholes like Novak will be tried, convicted and sent to prison.

[HuskerDem]

30. GOOD ! I'll buy some popcorn -eom-

[Maeve]

46. I'll bring the butter-salt! Should be a good show eom

[neuvocat]

32. The opposite is true.

Should Bush win, the entire GOP will continue to collapse under its own weight. I predicted this years ago and have been proven right ever since.

Should Kerry win then they will be galvinized against a supposed enemy. Should Bush win however his extremism will divide and isolate people even within his own party. After all, we now see Bob Barr working for the ACLU and Ron Reagan jr. addressing the democratic national convention.

[porkrind]

80. Good Point !!!

The Right-Wingers are based on hate. They need an enemy to focus all the unreasoning emotional hatred of their constituents against.

If Kerry wins, they can make him the focal point of all things wrong in the world and continue to grow their faith and fear based party.

These idiots will always be with us. All we can do to minimize their proportion is educate the masses. Educated people are generally left-thinking.

[Nay]

34. Let's hope so. The bastards deserve to go down in infamy for

what they have done to this country.

[Devil Dog Dem]

35. NoFacts is so often wrong I ignore him even when he says things I like.

You just can't trust this guy.

[ck4829]

37. Just another reason to vote for Kerry

[Stephanie]

38. Wishful thinking on Novak's part. The NEO-CONS will be blamed.

And jailed. Novak should be getting his affairs in order. He's an old man - he might not be survive his sentence.

[ItsMyParty]

40. Two thoughts running through brain.........

1) I'm so happy to hear this spoken because I've wondered if the nation is getting to the end of the Religious Right "bubble"...I was wondering if there was ever going to be a turning against them. I see that Chuck Hagel, for example has expressed running in 2008 (he impress me as a moderate) and I would think that thinking, sensible people in the republican ranks would be thinking that they have to get this party out of the hands of the lunatics before this nation implodes!!! 2) I wonder how much of what you posted might also apply to us Dems---seriously, I just wonder where Dems will go (both the rank and file and the elected officials) if Kerry loses.

[alittlelark]

79. Kerry will not lose. At this point - barring postponement of elections

there is NO CONTEST. Even the RW wackos see * for what he is - but some will vote for him anyway (their cognitive dissonance will go on for years).

Let's say the 'Kerry Loses' scenario takes place.......the Left will group with a fervor never before seen (at least in this country).

But it AIN'T gonna happen!:7

[RainDog]

42. Lots of Republicans that I know detest Bush

because he's taken over their party...he and the reich wing Dominionists.

if it takes the party imploding to get rid of this dangerous faction, then so be it....

they are the greatest threat to democracy that this country has seen in a long time.

their every response to OBL has only worked against the interests of this nation, including their economic policy,

Of course, the way they have mishandled the "war on terrorism" and the totally lying dog bullshit of an Iraqi invasion mess has played right into terrorist's progagnda and has also weakened us financially...

while Cheney's Halliburton loots the treasury.

If they steal another election, I wouldn't be surprised to see ladies in cloth coats in the streets. :)

[JerseygirlCT]

43. You mean we could get a two-fer? nt

[Cha]

48. Maybe novakula has a point about "the conservative

Christians will be blamed" when bush loses.

Because that's my number one sticking point with him and his rabid .."God speaks through me"..shit! bush is crazed and he thinks God is only on his side..God told him to kill sadam, too.

So that coupled with his pandering to those puesdo Christians on stem cell research and no funding for anything with planned parenthood involved could make for a very strong case against those bible thumping hypocrites.

[peacetalksforall]

49. I shudder when I hear words like those from Novak and some of the

responses here - because it focuses everything on one man. Replacing him with an angel-hero will not affect the agenda of the right wing. There's is an ideology that is dangerous to the world. Removing that guy who likes raking brush and playing video games is not going to change the goals, objectives, and desired timeline of their agenda. It is dangerous to focus on Bush because it hides the gigantic and exquisitely orchestrated army that is descending on us with or without the marionette. They have a problem with the vote because of him, but they aren't going to be cured without him.

Also, they can't get rid of the fundamentalist and evangelical block - they are a significant per cent of the vote and Novak has to know it = substitute the phrase 'suit and tie and pearl necklaced country club voting bloc' for the religious right and there might be some practical truth there.

[Disturbed]

51. Christians?

There are plenty of non-Fundie Christians that are shaking their heads in disgust at the phony Fundies. The so called Christian Right Wingnuts are not Christians; they are anti-Christians. Calling themselves Christians is a a freakin' insult to the memory and the words of Jesus.How can Right Wingnuts claim they follow Jesus when he was a Socialist, not a repugnant Repub.? They have no shame and they are scum that's how they can spout their crap in the name of Christ. If there is a Hell, they will surely be full time residents.

[Bush was AWOL]

55. How was Jesus a Socialist?

Explain please...

[Dob Bole]

59. It would be more accurate...

to say that the early Christian church was socialist. They pooled all of their resources and took care of each other when they were being hunted down by the Roman government.

Jesus did say that, "to whom much has been given, much will be required."

[Bush was AWOL]

69. Thank you

So, it is fair to say that Jesus was a liberal?

[kskiska]

52. I've been saying this to anyone who would listen

If the Chimp loses, the religious whackos will be blamed, and the moderates will take over. They've been waiting a long time for this moment. I'll bet Giuliani and McCain have been playing the game and paying lip service to *, but are just biding their time. They'd probably welcome a Kerry win. It would put them in power within their party and give them time to reorganize for 2008.

[B Calm]

53. What Goes Up, Must Come Down

I've been saying for the past few years that we are witnessing the destruction of the Republican Party. Looks like it's going to happen quicker than I thought.

[foo_bar]

56. perhaps, but as #3 points out

the next terrorist attack will make the Patriot Act look like a parking ticket. I think we're headed for a few generations of the Dark Ages, Taliban-style hegemony with a tribalist opposition. There's an interesting Tony Kushner play to that effect called "Homebody/Kabul".

[PROGRESSIVE1]

57. If the Christian REICH is devistated by this election....

that event will top Bush's defeat.

[redstateblues]

61. About The Religious Right- Lie Down With Dogs- Get Up With Fleas

[ASanders84]

58. Who do the Repubs have up next if W loses?

Jeb Bush? No way.

[Hippo_Tron]

60. If he looses because of Florida you can bet it'll be Jeb next time

Remember that Ohio and New Hampshire also have Repub governors and two Repub senators. Other likely candidates are McCain and Frist.

[Fluffdaddy]

63. Vote................VOTE

[Geo55]

64. Implosion and Republican Party in the same sentence

....put forth by a repuke ass kisser....

pinch me ..I'm dreaming...
no , don't if I'm dreaming I don't want to wake up.
nite nite

[Gloria]

65. Getting rid of Bush and a swing away from the Christian cons.

in the GOP would be doubly sweet!!!

[TankLV]

66. We can only hope he is right about this.

I have been fervently praying for this since ronnie ray-gun.

[Warren DeMontague]

71. If He's Right --- on all of that...

I may decide there IS a god, after all.

[yellowcanine]

72. I agree with nofacts! I am not sure about the "unfairly" part, though.

Although Bush himself bears a large part of the blame, the fundies get a big portion as well.

[rocktivity]

73. He's, uh...right

"...The Christian conservatives will be blamed, unfairly I think, by people who don't want them in the party."

It would be unfair--the blame should shared with the greedy lying crooks who took over the party with the Christian conservatives!

rocknation

[brentspeak]

74. Chimplosion? n/t

[progressivebydesign]

75. The GOP will have to wrest their party from the Bush folks..

.. I have a feeling there is a filthy battle going on right now.. as we speak. The Bush's do not represent the majority of GOP... amongst the thinking Republicans. I know that the moderates are really wishing they were running someone else... I honestly think they're already imploding.

[Dying Eagle]

76. I Would ORGASM

The day the GOP broke apart!!

[malatesta1137]

77. bad sign

if Novakkk who's a propagandist is acknowledging this, it's probably far worse for Bush right now. And that's bad, I actually wish they hoped Bush could win. In desperation, these anti-Christs are capable of anything, like starting another war before Nov, or plotting a new 9/11 or even a first-ever nuclear attack on American soil.

[ilovenicepeople]

81. OH I was enjoying all the optimistic enthusiasm

but sadly I knew someone was going to post the same thing that I was leaning towards(it's never to late to be a pessimist)To quote a non-famous worrywart(ME)"Alot of shit can happen between now and November!" :scared: Sorry for the negativity! :grouphug: KERRY ON Proud Democrats:yourock:

[alittlelark]

82. It is imploding already

My Fundie Mom is going to a different church, the fundie aquaintances of mine are chattin' w/me about my bumper stickers, the Mormons down the block are becoming more anti-* by the day, the seniors here are also wanting to chat about my bumper stickers.



They * et al are sooooo toasted, that I want them here 1 mo from now to serve -w/ brie- at our party.