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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:10 AM
Original message
I was just contacted by CNN's security officer!
Yesterday, during the BLITZ I sent out an email and made a few phone calls to CNN from the contact list that was available here. When I called the phone number of;

Sam Feist
Title: Senior Executive Producer
Department: Crossfire
E-mail: sam.feist@turner.com
Phone: (202) 898-7655
Fax: (202) 898-7611

I spoke to the receptionist and told her I wanted to make a comment about CNN's reporting. She pushed me thru to the automated voice system. I called back and told her I didn't want the automated system i'de like to have the office of Feist. I was told to hold on. The receptionist forwarded my call to security. After getting the persons name ( identified himself as Officer Trent ) I went on to tell him I was calling to leave a comment and I thought it crazy it was forwarded to security, I then hung up.

Today, about 1/2 hour ago I get a phone call from another CNN officer asking for me by name. I never gave out my name or phone number and I also have my number blocked thru the phone company. He went on to say he followed up on the call to get more details on what the call was about yesterday. We talked a bit and told him how crazy things are anymore that a person can't even make a comment without being tracked down. He told me he understood completely, knew where I was coming from and told me with the new Patriot Act it goes on all the time.

Anyway, I guess my name and phone number are now part of some secret list out there and that is fine by me. In a very short time the fascist fucks that got our country into this mess will soon be out.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:12 AM
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1. Oh, my God. You have your phone number blocked and they got
to you because you wanted to file a complaint about their coverage???? We are farther gone than I thought!
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volosong Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
73. DON'T PANIC....SO WHAT
If they call, just tell them to fuck off.

They are just acting like bullies, full of hot air.

They are not about to do anything to you or me because the risk of

publicity would be another SmearGate exploading under Bush.


INDICATES WE ARE SUCCEEDING...
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volosong Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. Limit Media Contacting to Written, Fax, or e-mail

I wouldn't be concerned. What it shows is that we are having an effect.

The fuckers think we will scare like rabbits. Fat chance.

In the future, I would limit my media contacts to using the web link

http://congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

to send written messages only. No actual phone calls.

Phone calls are usually not effective as they are quickly forgotten or diverted elsewhere.

I would not use my real tele number.

They won't do anything anyway because the publicity would be devastating. Think about it. Report on Peter Jennings about voters being apprehended for exercising the Bill of Rights. If put into the courts, that could prove a real can of worms for Bush.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:12 AM
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2. Get in touch with your phone co and make sure your number is really
blocked.

Do you think they subpoenaed phone records that quickly and over nothing?
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. I know my number is blocked
and he all but said they tracked me down.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. How?
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #6
20. because I just recently went over..
my service with the phone company to see if there were anything I wanted added or taken away. also whenever I phone friends, they know it's me because their caller-id says "no listing" or words to that effect!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. I have anecdotal evidence that phone blocks are nothing to those who
can pay for the "blocker blocker"

How do I know this?

I once called a pal from home to his place of work. He answered by saying "Hi, tom..."

I replied "How could you know it's me? I've got Number Block?"

His reply "We have a service that removes the block so I knew it was you when you called.

My reply "Holy shit! They can DO that?"
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. yea but for CNN to go thru this much trouble
and call back a viewer who had nothing but constructive comments on their broadcast? It was treated like a bomb scare for the love of Christ!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
38. Clearly you need number blocker blocker blocker...
And that's $50 / month.

And they say phone company innovation is dead.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
43. "phone blocks are nothing to those who can pay for the "blocker blocker"
Oh man...there's gonna be a "Privacy Auction" now.
How much for the "blocker blocker blocker", I wonder?
About half as much as the "blocker blocker blocker blocker", I would imagine. :shrug:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #43
56. Crazy, eh? You are correct.
Edited on Tue Aug-17-04 01:56 PM by tom_paine
I am guessing there is no "blocker blocker blocker"

In case you are being facetious, I am relaying exactly what happened and what was said.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. Facetious? Not at all. If it's not peddled yet it's only a matter of time.
I've heard of the blocker blocker too, and I have no reason to believe that some phone company won't see the advantage to offering a blocker blocker blocker. Our privacy is for sale, and we aren't even the folks who put it on the block. :(
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
58. Yep, it happened to me all the time when I had my number blocked
I called credit card companies, catalog sales, my mortgage lender and they all knew who I was before I gave them my name. To think I used to pay for the additional "privacy". I understand the need for emergency services to have unblocking software, but catalog sales, credit card companies or private businesses???
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #2
28. Subpoena? Don't you know that subpoenas are SO 2000?? n/t
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #2
60. What Subpeona?
The Patriot Act means they don't have to get a subpeona, remember:

Minimal and Inadequate Standards for Access To Internet Communications Section 216 of the USA PATRIOT Act substantially changes current law. Under current law, a law enforcement agent can get a pen register or trap and trace order requiring a telephone company to reveal the "numbers dialed" to and from a particular telephone. To obtain the order, the law enforcement agent must simply certify that the information to be obtained is "relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation." This a very low level of proof, far less than the probable cause standard (probable cause that a crime has occurred, is occurring or will occur.) - a standard that must be met now to authorize access to the contents of a communication. Under the proposed Section 216, the judge must grant the order upon receiving the certification. Even if the judge disagrees, and believes that law enforcement officers are on a fishing expedition that will yield up no relevant information, the judge must issue the order. The judge is therefore not positioned to protect the privacy of a person's telephone communications; he wields a rubber stamp.

http://archive.aclu.org/congress/l102301g.html
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PatriotGames Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:13 AM
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3. What? They afraid you might send anthrax or something?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:13 AM
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4. Wacky
They probably do get quite a few threats these days, but come on.

Just shows that fearmongering really works.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. I'm sure they do get nuts phoning into Crossfire.
but still I call up to make a comment and it's treated like I made a bomb threat or something. The whole thing is mind boggling.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:18 AM
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7. Stick a fork in us....we're DONE!
Damn! Don't you have to pay EXTRA money to have your phone number BLOCKED by the phone company? SEE what the Patriot Act does? We are living in a FASCIST COUNTRY already folks. THIS SUCKS!!! and all over a damn complaint to a cable network!! Holy Crap.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #7
16. no charge for blocking ...
at least there was no charge 5 years ago when I had it added on a new service. There is a charge to take the block off though.

I mentioned to the Security guy that this was such a coincidence considering all the FBI shit we have been hearing the last few day.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #7
49. I can see where CNN might NEED to see blocked numbers
in case DR. Evil calls with threats to blow up the world.

Chasing this guy down and calling him back is just intimidation.

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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #49
65.  I was no Dr. Evil to them
and if it was there intention on intimidating me, well, that failed miserably!
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
72. ANI digits can't be blocked
they're sent as part of the switching network. It's not easy to get to them, though, you need the right kind of connection to the telephone company CO and the software that knows how to get them out of the data stream. ANI predates Caller ID by years.

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:20 AM
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10. The rabid freeper types probably call CNN often
and are not very nice when leaving their complaints. I can understand CNN checking to see if you were one of the rabid callers or just a regular joe.

But being able to call you back when your number is blocked is creepy.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. and he said that...
He said, "I see now after calling you there is no problem". What I don't get is they must make it a practice to do this all the time. Nothing I said yesterday was anything close to threats.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. After reading through a couple freeper threads when they are on
a freep, I really can understand CNN's concern. The freepers scream and shout and bully and threaten, then they come back to the freeper thread and brag about how they slapped CNN around.

The reason they probably checked back on you is that you wouldn't just talk to an answering machine. Freepers always bully their way past answering machines. And they are very very nasty. They laugh when they are able to make some receptionist who answered the phone cry.

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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #17
29. are you some kind of reformed freeper
LOL, you seem to know exactly how they do it. funnin ya
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #13
24. He said, "I see now after calling you there is no problem"
Yeah... no middle eastern accent... no minority accent... they have your address... telly... photo... medical history... psych profile... who knows.... but what is really important... is that they could have found out that you were American born and raised... ahead of time... and spared you the "scare" tactics.

How pathetic... "I see now after calling you there is no problem".... in his mind maybe... but their "news reporting" has many... as if he didn't know.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. No Doubt!
I take that a sure thing. My name etc. has already been cross-reference against lists available thru the goverment.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #26
54. Soon, even cell phones will be "unblockable" too
It's ironic really.. People get cell phones to get themselves out of the "loop", and of course advertisers and big brother companies simply cannot have that many people "unavailable", so before you know it, there's legislation to allow them access to cell phone users..:)..

Watch for it.. it's coming soon..
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:22 AM
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12. Does this make you a CNN enemy combatant?
You win the shocker thread of the day award. There's not much that suprises me too much anymore, but this is crazy. Wanting to talk to an actual person in charge of a show in order to voice your opinions about the show is now subject to investigation? What's next? This would make more sense if you called Faux, but CNN??? I know they're not "liberal" but I assumed they were still somewhat sane.

For what it's worth, I'm glad the second sucurity officer understood the insanity of it all. It would suck to have his job.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. LOL, i'lll take that title
CNN is a propaganda machine for Nazi Rove!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:28 AM
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15. As polarized as this country is
Edited on Tue Aug-17-04 11:28 AM by depakote_kid
and as many people who've had their lives destroyed by Repiblican policies, it doesn't surprise me that CNN is taking security seriously. I know that if I were one of their better known Bush enablers, I'd at least be looking over my shoulder whenever I went out.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:32 AM
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18. Just for the record, that information is freely available on...
Congress.org, a site meant to be used to contact media and public officials. From the site's FAQs --

Congress.org is a public service of Capitol Advantage and is powered by the award-winning Capwiz™ grassroots advocacy solution. Capwiz is used by over 1200 leading non-profits, trade associations and media websites including AOL, Yahoo!, and MSN. If you would like to test drive Capwiz for your own organization, complete this form and we'll have a Capwiz site customized just for you in just one business day. Elected officials and candidates who wish to update their information on Congress.org, please contact our Research Department.

http://congress.org/congressorg/info/faq.html
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:33 AM
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19. Our Media Blitz is working!
For them to call you like that shows how having all of us email and call is getting to them.

I think its a pain they called you but I am happy because it shows me that we are making progress in our media war!!
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. could that very well be the case
Maybe from their end, they are trying to figure what the source was from all the negative feedback.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:38 AM
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22. It figures that that would be the only response anyone got from CNN
And to think we still have members of our party speaking about the good things in the Patriot Act. Anyway, I guess we should change your address to Gitmo, eh? ;)
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #22
27. Yes, they have new addresses planned for us all.
Too bad we can't be intimidated out of our opinions.

But they will try.

I find this so sad. Because part of me feels that the folks who work at CNN and have little or nothing to do with policy are "trapped." If someone does something stupid to retaliate for a news (haha) bit unfavorable to one side or the other, the common workers have to suffer as well.

But then I wonder where the last brave journalist went, and I think they must be unable to even look at their own reflections, knowing how the American public is played like a church organ.

Anger and rage are at all time highs. Combined with a strong front of fear, the weather she's a not looking too good.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. Now you see me,
Edited on Tue Aug-17-04 12:30 PM by Medialize
now you don't.... don't judge my by my past foreign policy faux paws (sp)... judge me by what I say it is today. Here take this pill.


"If the U.S. really believes that supporting terrorists makes you as guilty as the terrorists themselves, then it would have to put on trial most of its military and political leadership over the last handful of administrations, and more."
Peter McClaren
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:43 AM
Response to Original message
23. So I guess you are now a
CNeNemy
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #23
61. CNeNemy......very very funny!
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
66. seems to be the case
pretty sad when I remember just a few years ago I was known as a "viewer"
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:46 AM
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25. This makes me want to call them
Who the hell do they think they are at CNN that viewers can't call in and complain?

What? Is the media some arm of the government now?

Furthermore...if I want to call up my local police station and bitch about something, it's my right to do so and I have never had a cop stop by and ask me what my intentions were when I bitched about their service.

Call up FOX news and tell them what CNN did...

FOX hates CNN so much that they'll probably run the story
(Play these bastards off of one another)

Fucking fascist regime (no difference between bush and Kerry my ass!)

Also go to Howardstern.com and email them about this--he's been covering a lot of this type of censorship and intimidation on his show lately.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #25
30. Yes, the Imperial pravda Whores are part of the government (de facto)
In keeping with American traditions of freedom from the Old Days, we will never see direct ownership and control.

Why would the Imperials bother? They are getting almost identical results by using intimidation, corproate consolidation, and frightened self-censorship.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Well...they are just mad and they invite and request comments so
Edited on Tue Aug-17-04 12:08 PM by vetwife
they are being ridiculous. They can't block thousands of callers.
And as far as being enemies..Hell, they drew that line when Bush said you are with us or against us. I am not planning on lockstepping with thr media or Bush. They are jus tired from ear fatigue and probably got a chewing from some of their sponsors. I did notice today on CNN the coverage was not quite so slanted to the right.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. I sent this email to a bunch of CNN execs yesterday
I didn't get a response -- believe it or not most of the time I used to get responses from people at this level a couple years ago.

Apparently they no longer bother to try to defend their biased broadcasts.

BTW I don't necessarily think MSNBC is that great either but they have been slightly less biased lately (that's not saying much)

Subj: CNN bias and lack of journalistic integrity
Date: 8/16/2004 11:10:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time

To: eason.jordan@turner.com



Mr Jordan,

The tone and tenor of CNN's programming over the last few months has become intolerably slanted in favor of George W Bush.

The morning program with Bill Hemmer (and Soledad O'Brien's fill in) is especially slanted, as is Daybreak.

Why is a weather man giving commentary in support of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of the population?

CNN is no longer presenting news they are giving Bush campaign talking points and it is abhorent.

I will no longer be watching CNN.

Your anchors and so called journalists are supposed to be informing the public in a factual, non-biased, non-partisan fashion and that is not at all what they have been doing for at least the last year.

They opine...that is not news.

If I want GOP spin, I'll tune into FOX where they have made spinning into an art form.

I will be switching to MSNBC where they have been at least making an attempt to cover both sides of the political argument in recent months.


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Butterflyeffect Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. They do take calls
but aside from the DU they are probably forced to answering machines from sheer numbers alone.
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jackieforthedems Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:05 PM
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32. Either Red Or Blue
You're probably on either their Red or Blue list now. Somewhere in Pam Shuffert's website info you will read about those lists. Not sure if they really exist or not, but supposedly it has to do with NWO plans, concentration camps, etc... Please just don't panic, though because it all could be just propaganda stuff.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Isn't it all too sad?
People so caught up in the "Power Game."

And too stupid, ala Hurricane Charley, to see how powerless they really are....
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jackieforthedems Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #32
53. Website About The Lists
I left for awhile to find you a site regarding those lists. Go to: http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/camp.htm. Like I said before, don't panic because who knows if it's really true or not, but it never hurts to be aware of the possibilities.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:33 PM
Response to Original message
37. We should all report this to MSNBC.... Chris Matthews has been doing stuff
on censorship and Keith Olbermann would love to hear about it.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Good idea
Edited on Tue Aug-17-04 12:41 PM by Carni
When the officer called whoever posted this, did a number come up on your caller ID and did you get his name?

If so I would include that in your email (or, in whatever, to whoever you contact!)

In fact if you have it could you post it?

I would like to send this to buzzflash -- or YOU should (somebody should!)
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. Why? MSNBC more then likely does the same thing.
Maybe not to the extent or terms CNN uses but i'm sure for phone calls that are way out there they have avenues in place to track the people down.

This is one of those situations that make your eyes open wider and you try to keep ahead of.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. I think they said so Mathews or Olberman could perhaps talk about it?
Edited on Tue Aug-17-04 01:42 PM by Carni
BTW it doesn't sound to me like the posters call "was way out there"

What the hell is out there about requesting to leave a complaint with a person and not a machine?

On edit: I got confused and didn't realize YOU were the same person that had the original problem and posted this to begin with!

(I guess you would know if what you did was out there or not!)

I thought you were someone else insinuating that the person that had the original problem must have pushed the envelope!


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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:41 PM
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40. Hey, to read this thread or post a reply
my computer tells me that DU is asking for my phone number.
What's up with that??
I don't have any problems seeing or posting a reply to any other thread...
HMMMMM
:wtf:
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:01 PM
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46. don't be fucking around
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:23 PM
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82. I'm VERY serious. It asked me again TWICE just to answer you!
And this has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
And I opened many messages on various forums today, and replied to some of them.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:23 PM
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83. I'm VERY serious. It asked me again TWICE just to answer you!
And this has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
And I opened many messages on various forums today, and replied to some of them.
Oh WTF I am being asked again just to submit this!
Good grief!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:42 PM
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41. I think we are better off politely contacting their sponsors....
Perhaps, with cc:s or a copied note to CNN. I also think you get further with snailmail letters. If you want to document the call back intimidation issue, I'd send your comments by mail and registered or certified, return receipt.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:44 PM
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42. That's what they want you to do
They want you to stop calling and bothering them...

The problem here is, this is becoming a nuisance issue for the execs and the anchors, because their mailboxes are filling up.

If they aren't going to act responsibly when they report the so called "news" then they deserve to be bothered with their viewers complaints.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:11 PM
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48. Do you not think they will hear from their sponsors, when they
(the sponsors) get bombarded with calls/letters/email complaints? Somehow, I don't think CNN wants to hear from very angry sponsors more than they hear from us... (and I'm not implying we should stop complaining directly to CNN, just that going to the sponsors as well, may have more effect).
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:28 PM
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52. I guess my thought on the sponsors regarding cable news stations is:
A lot of them are so in bush's pocket to begin with (like BP as well as several other oil companies who constantly advertise on CNN)
that they could care less.

Most of the ads on CNN these days are investment firms and other odd ball companies (what the hell is Encor BTW?)

I see less and less sponsorship by companies that sell product to the average public.

I just don't think there is a lot being peddled on the cable news stations anymore that the average person could even boycott.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 05:17 PM
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78. could be..... eom
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:00 PM
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44. this is really strange because....
....if there were really a problem or if, like the guy told you, this is a standard procedure in a post patriot act world, then wouldn't a real authority be calling you? does cnn's security department really have the jurisdiction to be making calls and conducting investigations like this?

something about that call smells fishy. you might want to call the authorities and ask them if that is standard procedure.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:06 PM
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47. Apparently it's standard procedure at CNN
For a company the size and influence of CNN it would only make since for them to have a team of security with strong backgrounds in actual crime,investigations etc.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:03 PM
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81. That's what bugs me

How the hell does CNN'S private security force get actual police powers? Just how far has this gone?

If corporations are going to start flexing their muscle under the patriot act, we may actually be seeing the first tangible evidence of the corporate-state merger described by Mussolini as Fascism.

If civil war breaks out, I have a feeling it might not necessarily be the government that we will be up against. If bullying by private corporate security becomes the norm in society, it's time to arm ourselves and stand to.

So far, it looks like an isolated incident, so let's hope that's what it is.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:22 PM
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51. Come On admit it. You're a trouble maker and an agitator.
Good Job! :thumbsup: :toast: :thumbsup: I like that quality in a person :bounce:
Does this mean you can expect a knock at the door from the
FBI-CIA-SS any time now? :freak:
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 01:47 PM
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55. computer tracking bugs
last night i got on line for about 20 minutes here at d.u. and then spent about the same amount of time at bartcop. this morning when my computer whiz g/f got on line, she informed me that we had 4 "tracking bugs" on the system that she had to eliminate. so now i'm not allowed to d.u. at home anymore :( these fascists SUCK!!! (to the net fascists: yeah, go 'head, arrest the old granny at work, you pigs!)
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:18 PM
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63. hippiegranny
Fear not all you most likely had was tracking cookies. Most are harmless and some are not. If you surf the internet you are picking up all kinds of cookies from websites which I think sucks! I do not allow cookies on my computer except from a few selected websites such as this one. You should have Spybot Search and Destroy and AdAware installed on your computer and use them each a couple times a week. They are both free.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 05:36 PM
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79. thank you,
she did say it was cookies. (mmmm cookies....) probably nothing, but it was wierd to have her ask me about it and then come here again today and read this thread.

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classics Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 02:09 PM
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57. Did you call in on an 800 or other toll free number?
ANI deliveres the caller party ID on all toll-free calls, it has always been that way, even before 'caller ID' was availble. Since they are paying for the call there is no expectation of privacy as to the number of the calling party.

If you dialed in via a normal toll call then thats another matter.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:26 PM
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64. I Didn't call an 800 number
I called the phone number I listed in my opening post.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:03 PM
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69. ANI service on many numbers
You've got caller ID blocked, Automatic Number Identification (ANI) is independent of caller ID. All or nearly all toll free calls include ANI digits since it's used extensively in call center software to track call volumes for a variety of purposes. One typical application is to attach a different toll free number to the same ad in several publications and route all the calls to the same call center. By collecting the toll free numbers called and the calling numbers the effectiveness of each type of ad in various markets can be determined. It is also the underlying technology for 911 call backs and locators.

ANI services are not restricted to toll free numbers, although they are ubiquitous in that arena. Since it's a low level service provided by the switching devices in the telephone networks it's not easy to block where it is available.

Remember what Larry Ellison said, "Privacy is a myth, get over it."

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 02:48 PM
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59. Big Brother IS WATCHING. MY GAWD. They're harassing protesters
and now people who dare complain about media bias! :wow:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 03:49 PM
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67. Doom and gloom. ~yawn~
So what? My name is probably on a MILLION lists out there. Cripes, you hand your credit card over to anyone and they know your whole frickin life history. So what's the big deal? Some pimply loser at CNN called back and was polite?

We're NOT all doomed. And I'd appreciate it if people didn't pass on stories like this that serve very little purpose except to freak everyone out.


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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:02 PM
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68. Doom and Gloom?
What are you on CRACK? I posted what happened. I didn't mention Doom and Gloom there tough guy! Give it a rest!

Once again, sometimes you like to just be able to reach thru these screens.



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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:30 PM
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70. I didn't mean to direct it exclusively at you, but at the thread.
Look down the list of posts - people are saying IT'S OVER! BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING! I got news - Big Brother's been watching for a longgg time. And the last thing we need now is irrational panic. It was an isolated incident.


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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:34 PM
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71. So, CNN was riled...LET'S DO IT AGAIN !
Let's set another date. This time, give it a couple of weeks to get enough people on board.
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volosong Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:43 PM
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74. You Got It...It Shows We are Winning
Our messages are hitting the mark.

Be of strong courage. It is a good sign...
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:43 PM
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75. i'm in..
set the date and times!
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volosong Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:54 PM
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85. Timing....Consider this too
Sometimes there is value in a few individuals free-lancing so to speak; being a persistent yet unpredictable thorn in the ass of the fascist press.

That way, they can never determine any pattern, and it makes their paranoid assumptions that gangs are out to get them less supported by the "apparent" facts.

It is more confusing and disconcerting for the target; and, it gives the illusion that more are involved (especially when multiple screen names are being used by one person).
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 04:46 PM
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76. I wonder if pay phones with pre-paid cards will be necessary for comments
Of course, then they might start surveillance on pay phones.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:13 PM
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80. While there still are pay phones
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:29 PM
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84. AMERDEM -please call up the ACLU rightaway & tell em bout this
then call up all of your congressmen and representatives and
tell them.

I kid you not. They need to know what's going on. This is police
state stuff. If you dont tell them they won't know and the gestapo
will only get worse.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:20 PM
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86. NAH,
CNN is a private company. After reading many of the posts here, number unblockers are common items and CNN can and would make up any story to justify why they called me.

Within the last couple days there has been blatant harassment by the FBI on everyday people or as they like to call them "people of interest" and the FBI fully admits to "investigating" these people for their part in protests.We all know what the FBI is up to. There has also been reported cases of black elderly folks out of Florida being harassed by state police under the guise of "voter fraud". These type of cases are the ones ACLU should be looking into. What happened to me isn't anywhere near as bad as what happened to these people and CNN security is far from being the FBI or state police.

What happened to me sucks and i'm almost sure i'm now on CNN's security list and I also wouldn't be surprised if their list is cross referenced to other government lists but that is all speculation. I'll keep my ears and eyes open and if others report having this done to them i'll look more into it.

Thanks for the advice and i'll keep in the back of my mind.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:31 PM
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87. Well...I wouldn't worry about it.google my screenname or real name
and see what you come up with. They know who we all are ! So what?
Intimidation...that is all it is !
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:55 PM
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88. I'm far from worried
When is the next BLITZ? Make it CNN again they deserve it! I'll be the first in line!:bounce:
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