Has anybody seen this e-mail yet? ("Where Bush Got His Orders")

[el_gato]

I was going to respond with the Powell and Rice quotes about
how Saddam was not threat etc. but has anybody here
done the research on this one already?

I checked Snopes and found nothing.




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Where Bush Got His Marching Orders

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from , but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


SO NOW THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AND THAT HE TOOK US TO WAR UNECESSARILY !

TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PRESIDENT LEADING US TO WAR.

Send this to everybody you know. The networks won't do it . It's up to us to get the word out.
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[NYCGirl]

1. Here's the Snopes link:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

[el_gato]

8. Thanks

[Nordic]

2. just another "It's all Clinton's fault" rant

Jesus, when wiill the republicans EVER take responsibility for ANYthing?

If your wife gets pregnant, well, it's Clinton's fault.

If there are ants in your kitchen, well, it's Clinton's fault.

If your kid turns out to be gay, well, it's Clinton's fault.

If the sun don't shine, well, it's Clinton's fault.

[rkc3]

11. Don't forget that errant tee shot in the lake. - Yup, Bill's fault.

[wyldwolf]

3. the difference

1. Clinton never advocated an invasion
2. Democrats aren't saying there were never any WMDs. We're just saying there weren't at the time Bush invaded.

[radwriter0555]

4. Here are bush's marching orders: 1998 Rumsfeld's Commission Report.

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/bm-threat.htm

[NoPasaran]

5. Wouldn't you know it? It was all Clinton's fault!

All hail the power of the Clenis!

[Ducks In A Row]

6. tell your friend

"I guess you think Bush is a puppet too. The man can't think or make his own decisions. Glad you agree with me the man is an idiot."

oh and send that snopes link too. :)

[Jacobin]

7. the short answer is:

Neither Clinton nor Poppy Bush thought that the U.S. could successfully occupy Iraq and that it would turn into a quagmire. They both dealth with Saddam using the military for specific missions, limited in scope, to what could reasonably be accomplished.

Guess what? It worked.

Another guess for the Freeps: Bush's attempt at occupation is doomed to failure and is a quagmire.

The whole line of quotes leads off to a fool's errand. Its not the definition of the problem that is relevant. It is how you solve the problem and Smirky screwed the pooch....big time.

[rkc3]

13. NPR showed last night that Richard the Lionhearted knew occupations

in the Middle East were fool's errands - even he was smart enough to know not to stay there.

[TNDemo]

9. So they are confirming that he takes orders?

Can't make up his own mind? And from Clinton, no less. The shame!

[Crunchy Frog]

10. So the Bushbots are saying

that their beloved pResident has been faithfully following the orders of Clinton and his former administration. What is he, some sort of Clinton lover? Clinton pulls his puppet strings? What a weak tool of a pResident.

If you hate Clinton so much, then how can you possibly support a man who is so determined to do whatever Clinton wants him to do. Why do you hate America?

I would use that approach in responding to this kind of garbage.

[RobertSeattle]

12. Reply all with this

Bush Administration quotes on Iraqi WMD's 2002-2003

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
---Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
---George W. Bush September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
---Ari Fleischer December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
---Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
---George W. Bush January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
---Colin Powell February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
---George Bush February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
---Colin Powell March 8, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
---George Bush March 18, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
---Ari Fleisher March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
---Gen. Tommy Franks March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
---Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board , March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
---Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.
---Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
---Neocon scholar Robert Kagan April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
---Ari Fleischer April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
---George Bush April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
---Donald Rumsfeld April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
---George Bush May 3, 2003

I am confident that we will find evidence that makes it clear he had weapons of mass destruction.
---Colin Powell May 4, 2003

I never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
---Donald Rumsfeld May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
---George W. Bush May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
---Condoleeza Rice May 12, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
---Donald Rumsfeld May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
---Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003

[JNelson6563]

14. And include this link

http://www.bi30archive.org/extras/Powell-Rice-Iraq_no_threat.asx

:-)

[el_gato]

15. Here's what I sent back

Let me say first of all that this response to your email is not about Bush
or Kerry so much as it is about the puppet masters who actually control
the politicians. We are at a time in history when people all over our great
country are looking for answers, real answers not just the self serving lies
peddled by the politicians and the corporate media. You see in their eyes
we are nothing but chattel to be manipulated and used. However, the
propaganda is starting to wear thin and people know it.

Now let's get down to business.

The case for invading Iraq was a fraud and selectively using quotes from
politicians will not change this fact. For example, here are a couple of
quotes from Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice:

"Saddam Hussein has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."
Powell in Cairo on February 24, 2001

"We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
Condoleeza Rice, April 2001

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

Now with all of these conflicting messages from the politicians you need to ask
yourself some very basic questions. Who really formulates U.S. foreign policy?
Why would they feel the need to decieve the public concerning grave issues such
as invading and occupying another country?

Here are a couple more quotes that shed light on these questions:

"From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."
Andrew Card, White House Cheif of Staff, September 2002
Card was talking about the sales campaign that began September 2002 for the war we are currently waging in Iraq and may soon be seeing in Iran and Syria. You will recall it was then -- with the willing participation of our nation's media, most notably Judith Miller of the New York Times -- that we began to be hammered, from all sides, about Saddam's nuclear capability, about his weapons of mass destruction, about his alleged ties to the Sept. 11 attacks, and so forth. All very ominous, all accompanied by multi-hued terror alerts.

"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense May 28, 2003
(In case you don't know Wolfowitz is a member of PNAC, one of the key think tanks
that helped formulate current U.S. foreign policy.)

Now just look at the doublespeak used:

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003

And just three months later after the invasion and the failure to find any weapons....

"No one ever said that we knew precisely where all of these agents were, where they were stored."
Condoleezza Rice, June 8, 2003

To go back to the questions of who formulates U.S. foreign policy you need to look up and read
about some of the think tanks that are involved in this process. One of the longest standing
groups involved is the Council on Foreign Relations and another is the Project for a New American
Century (PNAC). Both of these groups, comprised of the elite of U.S. political circles, have been
for the past ten years pushing for a U.S. invasion of the middle east. Why? Welcome to the world
of geopolitical strategy or as they used to call it during the peak of the British Empire "The Great Game."
Sadly, none of this has ever been about spreading democracy or bringing freedom to anybody.

If you are truly trying to understand the nature of U.S. foreign policy I suggest you look up the following:

The Office of Special Plans
The Council of Foreign Relations
Project for a New American Century
Gen. Smedley Butler (A good historical example, someone who broke the silence)
Office of Strategic Influence
The Muhajadeen
Hill & Knowlton

Also if you want to understand a little bit more about the nature of propaganda and how
it is used here is a good article:
http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair08162003.html


If you refuse to do any research you are only hurting yourself in the long run.