My Jamaican Neighbor is a Fundy Wingnut!

[Samurai_Writer]

I have two Jamaican neighbors that are roommates, that live in my building. One of them I have been dating occassionally. The other, his roommate, who I will call D, has been getting in the habit of talking to me while I walk the dog. Had quite an interesting conversation tonight, although it will probably be our last!

Here's what came out of the conversation:

1. He believes that if you have had ONE homosexual experience, EVER, you are gay for life. Which is, of course, WRONG.

2. He doesn't believe in evolution. He believes in creationism only.

3. According to him, everything good that man has ever done is because of God. But everything bad is because of Satan.

4. Another thing, all nuns and priests are gay. See number 1.

Well, I told him, according to his definition that I must be gay then. Also that I didn't believe in god, or his bible. Of course, that just made him want to argue that much more. I told him we would just have to agree to disagree... about everything.

It just really surprised me because his roommate (the guy I'm sort of dating) is much more open-minded. Guess there are bigots and religious freaks everywhere. But... Jamaica???

[GoneOffShore]

1. Check out the Jamaican

rapper/reggae guy who advocates killing gay men.
It's a fundy/religious deal. Mix in the ganja, which is usually pretty pacific, and you get the weirdness (Not all highs are good highs).

[LibertyorDeath]

2. You misspelled creationism It's CRETINISM

Sounds like he has an undiagnosed brain condition.

[GoneOffShore]

3. Thank you

Best laugh I've had all day, apart from hearing that *'s IQ was hovering around 91.

[LibertyorDeath]

4. "hovering "

LOL :)

Try this

Cheers

http://www.bushflash.com/idiot

[leesa]

9. Good one. I'm going to pronounce it that way from now on.

[Rowdyboy]

5. I know this is shocking, but Jamaica is the most homophobic country

in the Western hemisphere. Fundamentalist Christians have converted the masses and, recently, gay tourists have been the victims of harassment and even beatings. Much of the Caribbean is similarly anti-gay.

I have a good friend teaching in Jamaica next summer who offered me a free bed in her apartment for as long as I liked. I turned her down. I'm not willing to live like that again.

[Samurai_Writer]

6. Wow I didn't know that

I guess I was just so shocked because his roommate is so open-minded. He has no problem with my being bisexual, even though I told him the only women I ever dated were lesbians (so if he was thinking he was getting a threesome out of the deal, that was NEVER going to happen!).

So i wonder where the gay cruises go? There are several of them that go out of Florida to... somewhere! I was assuming it was the caribbean.

[Tight_rope]

8. That is so true...But not just Jamaica....many of the islanders are.

[union_maid]

7. I've met as many Jamaican fundies as white ones

I live in the NY metro area, and that's why. There really is no homegrown fundamentalism as part of the culture here. Jamaican born again Christianity should never be confused with that of African American churches with roots in the southern US. The brand that's coming from Jamaica is much more like the Jerry Falwell stuff.

[tom_paine]

10. Do they hate their own Uppity (RACIAL EPITHET REDACTED) Selves

like the White Fundies do?

[BlackJack8324]

11. some gays want it both ways

He believes that if you have had ONE homosexual experience, EVER, you are gay for life. Which is, of course, WRONG.

Well we constantly hear gay activists saying they're born gay and it's not a choice. Yet you're saying it can be a choice. I agree if you're a man and you have sex with a man you are either gay or lying to yourself. I wouldn't call this a bigotted belief.

[DrWeird]

12. Or maybe you're just experimenting.

Admit it, as a heterosexual man you've had homosexual fantasies from time to time.

[BlackJack8324]

14. it can't be both a choice and in born

You'd have to desire a man to want to "experiment" sex with a man.

[DrWeird]

15. Sure it can.

Are you denying free will.

I assume you're heterosexual. Were you born that way or did you choose it? You were born that way. So why are you fantasizing about all that hot gay sex?

[BlackJack8324]

19. gays constantly say...

It isn't a choice and I agree.

[DrWeird]

22. Of course it isn't a choice.

People are born with their sexual orientation.

Nevertheless, heterosexuals can have homosexual experiences. Say, for example, after getting really drunk at a house party, or in prison. Its just experimentation. They're still heterosexual even though they had anal sex with another man, for example.

What's so hard to understand?

[BlackJack8324]

25. I don't agree with you..

I think if you're a guy who screws another guy you're gay. I don't buy all this pc experimenting crap.

[DrWeird]

30. So if you screw one guy once, say in prison...

then you get out of prison and return to your wife and have nothing but heterosexual sex for the rest of your life, you're still gay?

Let's say a homosexual has one heterosexual encounter. You're saying that person is really a heterosexual regardless of how much homosexual sex they have?

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Btw, what does this have to do with political correctness?

[BlackJack8324]

33. yes and no

Let's say a homosexual has one heterosexual encounter. You're saying that person is really a heterosexual regardless of how much homosexual sex they have?

Alot of homosexuals have sex with women to try to fit in or be "normal". Heterosexuals have no such incentive.

[DrWeird]

36. Oh, so it only works if a heterosexual has a homosexual encounter.

So you're saying it's like a disease?

[BlackJack8324]

39. no...

You did. I never said it's a disease. I do know of gay men who married women to try to be "normal".

[DrWeird]

41. I never said some such thing.

You're the one going around saying homosexuality is something heterosexuals can catch and they'll never be cured.

Sounds like something a fundamentalist christian homophobe would say. You picked an interesting thread to say it in.

Are you, perhaps, a member of some African tribal religion?

[Behind the Aegis]

45. interesting

Alot of homosexuals have sex with women to try to fit in or be "normal". Heterosexuals have no such incentive.

Actually, money has been an incentive for many a heterosexual to engage in homosexual activity. It does not make that hetero a homo! Therefore, your assertion that heteros have no incentive is unfounded, and furthermore, would disprove your theory that one act of homosexuality makes one a homosexual.

[Book Lover]

44. Buy it or not, Jack, it's the way people work

Did I just pay the troll two dollars?

[BlackJack8324]

13. Don't just blame Christianity

Alot of African tribal religions frown on homosexuality.

[DrWeird]

16. Such as?

Which "africa tribal religions" also support the literal interpretation of Biblical creation?

[BlackJack8324]

18. They believe their own creation myths literally...

I never said they follow the Bible.

[DrWeird]

20. But this guy's a creationist. He's a fundamentalist christian.

So why are you going around pointing fingers at african tribal cultures. What does that have to do with a christian from Jamaica?

Anyway, what african tribal religions were you talking about anyway?

[BlackJack8324]

23. most of these islanders mix Catholicism with

African tribal beliefs. Alot of this guy's beliefs are probably more cultural than religious. I wouldn't know unless I talked to him.

[DrWeird]

27. He's a homophobe and a creationist...

and apparently he's anticatholic. All common fundamentalist christian beliefs. So which part is based on some anonymous african tribal belief? Or are you just guessing that because he's probably black.

[BlackJack8324]

29. the racial card

I'm simply saying we can't just blame Christianity for making Jamaica homophobic.

[DrWeird]

32. Jamaica's 61% protestant, 5% catholic.

This guy's a homophobe he's a christian. It makes a lot more sense to "blame Christianity" then say it's because of some African tribal religion which you mysteriously can't name and only bring it up because he's probably black.

[BlackJack8324]

35. when in doubt blame racism...

Are you Al Sharpton. I wasn't specifically speaking of this guy but non-white people in 3rd world nations.

[DrWeird]

40. You just said reggae concert goers hated white people.

You were the first to bring up racism in this thread, buddy. "I wasn't specifically speaking of this guy but non-white people in 3rd world nations."
Then maybe you should have said that, or started a new thread, because this one's about a fundamentalist christian from Jamaica. Nothing about him being black, or being a member of some African tribal religion.

What's the name of that tribal religion anyways?

[Irishladdie]

17. Tonight I will see Burning Spear at the House of Blues!!

I bet there won't be any of this type of person there!! I can't wait it should be great, lots of liberals at Reggae concerts!! WOOOHOOO!!!! I Love Burning Spear!!

[BlackJack8324]

21. not exactly liberals

More like militant black men who hate white people. :bounce:

[DrWeird]

24. Burning Spear hates white people?

Geez, and I thought he was Rasta. You know, one love, peace on earth, and good will towards man.

[BlackJack8324]

28. no.....

I was refering to the reggae concert-goers. I have never heard of Burning Spear.

[DrWeird]

34. I hate white people?

I didn't know. Here I am being white and hating white people. So did all those white people that went to that Eek-a-mouse concert with me. And that was the vast majority of the crowd.

That's weird.

So, does that mean everybody who goes to a country music concert hates black people?

Man, that makes for a lot of white people going around hating black and white people.

[BlackJack8324]

37. I didn't say that

You did.

[DrWeird]

42. Actually, yeah, you did.

You said people who go to reggae concerts were militants who hated white people.

It's right there for everybody to see, assuming you haven't edited it yet.

[RummyTheDummy]

26. Probably exposed to missionaries

Early on in life, assuming they grew up in Jamaica. The fundies have missionaries all over the world spreading their unique brand of hatred and venom. Sadly, even inherently good people aren't immune to their lies.

[BlackJack8324]

31. again...

Not all , backward beliefs, hate and homophobia by non-whites in the 3rd world can be blamed on Christians.

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43. Any nationality has those who are

vulnerable and weak and acceptable to the mind-control tactics of konservative fundies.