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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:13 AM
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It's Groundhog Day all over again and again and again...
Iran a Nuclear Threat, U.S. Says

Undersecretary of State John R. Bolton characterized Iran as a grave danger.



And there were discrepancies between Bolton's account and those of European and U.S. diplomats



Bolton also cited a recent press report that said Iran had tried to buy deuterium gas from Russia. The substance could be used to boost an explosion in a nuclear bomb.

Two U.S. officials said the press report could not be substantiated.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9726-2004Aug17.html?referrer=emailarticle
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:17 AM
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1. And they GASSED THEIR OWN PEOPLE!
Or so several US gov documents say;

The US State Department found both sides were using chemical weapons.

"There are indications that Iran may also have used chemical artillery shells in this fighting," spokesman Charles Redman told the press a week after the attack. "We call on Iran and Iraq to desist immediately from the use of any chemical weapons."

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0218/trilling.php

On May 3, 1990, referring to yet another study, "A Defense Department reconstruction of the final stages of the Iran-Iraq war has assembled what analysts say is conclusive intelligence that one of the worst civilian massacres of the war, in the Iraqi Kurdish city of Halabja, was caused by "repeated chemical bombardments from both belligerent armies." "
Washington Post (May 3, 1990)

The US government itself later confirmed the fact that both sides had used gas and that, in all likelihood, Iranian gas killed the Kurds.

A Pentagon report, ‘Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East’ published in 1990 states (Chapter 5): “In March 1988, the Kurds at Halabjah were bombarded with chemical weapons, producing a great many deaths. Photographs of the Kurdish victims were widely disseminated in the international media. Iraq was blamed for the Halabjah attack, even though it was subsequently brought out that Iran too had used chemicals in this operation, and it seemed likely that it was the Iranian bombardment that had actually killed the Kurds.” United Nations: No Proof Saddam Gassed the Kurds

http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/11-18-98.html

-The Pentagon's USAWC and US Marine Corps report concluded Iran gassed the Kurds at Halbjah, not Iraq.

Lessons Learned: The Iran-Iraq War
by Dr. Stephen Pelletiere and Lieutenant Colonel Douglas Johnson
U.S. Army War College Strategic Studies Institute

"The great majority of the victims seen by reporters and other
observers who attended the scene were blue in their extremities. That means that they were killed by a blood agent, probably either cyanogen chloride or hydrogen cyanide. Iraq never used and lacked any capacity to produce these chemicals. But the Iranians did deploy them. Therefore the Iranians killed the Kurds."

US Marine Corps document FMFRP 3

"Blood agents were allegedly responsible for the most infamous use of chemicals in the war—the killing of Kurds at Halabjah. Since the Iraqis have no history of using these two agents—and the Iranians do—we conclude that the Iranians perpetrated this attack."

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/docs/3203/

The DIA's report concluded Iran had gassed the Kurds & Iranians of Halabjah;

Immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.

The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent - that is, a cyanide-based gas -which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.

http://truthout.org/docs_02/020303C.htm

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:23 AM
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2. wow, quite a revelation.
"The US government itself later confirmed the fact that both sides had used gas and that, in all likelihood, Iranian gas killed the Kurds."
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 07:54 AM
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3. This has been known for the longest time.
That and the fact that even if Saddam had inadvertently gassed the Kurds in his fight with the Iranians, he did it with American chemical weapons.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 08:07 AM
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4. Yep but just think!
The "liberal" media can reuse all them Iraq signs by just changing the Q to an N and replay all their chanting of "he gassed his own people" and just cut out any referances to Iraq or Saddam Hussein, thus saving MONEY!

After all, when we're trillions in debt, every penny saved helps.

*sarcasm*
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:34 PM
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7. Oceania is at war with Iran, we have always been at war with Iran.
Our ally Iraq has always been steadfast in their support. Iraq and Oceania will win this struggle for Freedom and Liberty. Long live Big Brother!
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 08:51 AM
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5. it just goes to show you how naive the public is...
'cause i pretty much keep up with everything, and all i ever heard was that
he gassed his own people, over and over and over again.
of course, it's obvious that i have not studied the iran/iraq war. thanks for the edification, japanduh.
there's a lot i still need to learn. :hi:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 06:10 PM
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6. And add in to that...
IF he INADVERTANTLY gassed the Kurds when he was fighting Iranians, he gassed them with MUSTARD GAS.

Something the "liberal" media won't say is mustard gas is NOT a "WMD" and it's RARELY LETHAL.

All these US government reports blaming IRAN for killing Kurds have been online and readily available to the public for years.

Ain't it funny how NONE of them ever got mentioned by our "liberal" media.

Oh and the CIA report says 500 Kurds were killed by crossfire

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

And ain't it also ever so amusing that Winston Churchill, the man bush likes to liken himself to, thought gassing the Kurds was a GOOD THING to do. And Tony the bLiar never did mention the times the UK GASSED THE KURDS.

Gas, chemicals, bombs: Britain has used them all before in Iraq

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,939608,00.html

British Use of Chemical Weapons in Iraq

http://www.iraqwar.org/chemical.htm

"I do not understand squeamishness about the use of gas," Churchill wrote. "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes."






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