The myth of security against terrorism under Bush

[EstimatedProphet]

One of the right wing memes out right now is that Bush has kept us safe from terrorism, and as proof, they point out that there haven't been any terrorist attacks since 9/11.
Nonsense.
If there haven't been any successful terrorist attacks since 9/11 because they have been thwarted by bush, then where are the captured terrorists? We haven't been capturing throngs of terrorists "caught in the act", people that have new plans for attacks. We've been capturing members of the network, but so far, I haven't heard anything about them foiling active plots. the best they could do a few weeks ago was come up with 3 year old plans. If Bush were actually successful, and we were safer because we have been stopping terrorism, then we would see cases where there were plans that were interrupted and terrorists stopped while planning.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

1. Guantanamo Bay is supposedly chock full

of terrorists. It's a myth alright.
Although I still say 9/11 itself is Bush's biggest liability in the WOT, which didn't even exist in his pea brain before that day.

[EstimatedProphet]

2. Gitmo is full of people rounded up not long after 9/11

I just haven't heard of any busted-up terrorist cells in the last year, have you? They're either not there, or we're not safer. It can't be both ways.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

12. Bush is creating "terrorist cells"

hence to play hero:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/19/evidence_disputed_in_terror_sting_case?mode=PF

[stellanoir]

3. how on earth can we be safer

when we've violated the dignity of all Iraqi's and enraged the entire Muslim population of the world by acting like a bunch of thuggish infidels and spewing nothing but hateful and simplistic rhetoric ?

[indepat]

4. We are safer because GWB says we are and he loves Jesus and does God's

work. End of story, end of discussion: We just must accept his words and actions on faith.

[Rangefinder]

5. It strikes me

that maybe they never really planned (at least in the short term) to do any major assaults on the US. I was sitting in a packed movie theater the other night, and it occurred to me that if wanton violence were the aim, why couldn't they go to a gun store and do something crazy? We've got our own wackos who do it all the time. Once again, I'll ask, why hasn't this line of thinking been pursued in the media.

[EstimatedProphet]

6. My point exactly

Freepers come out and say "We haven't had any terrorist attacks since 9/11, so bush is protecting us." I personally believe they planned one, then sat back and watched us do their work for them. there haven't been any more attacks not because they've been foilled, but because they knew there wouldn't be any need for them.

[Rangefinder]

10. EP-

I'm new to the forums and have to ask, what is a "Freeper"? I hope I don't fall into this catagory, it doesn't sound so good ;)

[EstimatedProphet]

14. Freeper is, you're right, someone you don't want to be

http://www.freerepublic.com/ for an example of warped freeper logic

[merh]

15. IMHO the goal of terrorists strikes is to weaken the USofA and to

instill terror in the citizens. The terra ists don't have to do that because GWB & his admin do that for them. They keep the terra alive. Don't ya know that the real bad guys just laugh at them and mock them. Its sort of like Jessie James getting the credit for all the bank robberies through out the west, he didn't have to lift a finger and may have had no part in a robbery, but he was blamed. It becomes a joke and the bad guys enjoy the laugh and the credit.

[EstimatedProphet]

17. Exactly

Why should AlQaida go to all the effort of an elaborate terrorist attack on the US to terrify us, when we do it already?

[newyawker99]

19. Hi Rangefinder!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Rangefinder]

20. Thanks, newyawker99-

Hope to see you in a couple of weeks. . .even if I wouldn't know your face ;) I'm doing some documentary work at the convention and suspect there will be a lot of folks from the DU there. What a great opperation (DU) I'll be donating.

[LynnTheDem]

7. bush says we're safer; US State Dept says we're not safer.

Rest of the entire world's experts also say we're not safer./ But of course bush is god.

State Dept: Terrorism up under Bush

Terror attacks at highest level since 1982.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_report_062304,00.html

[LynnTheDem]

8. How do RWWs explain 911 & Clinton then???

If 911 is Clinton's fault, EIGHT MONTHS AFTER he left office, then obviously all the 911s we're gonna be hit with thanks to bush's total incompetance won't happen until AFTER his arse is booted out of office.

[EstimatedProphet]

9. Those will still be Clinton's fault

All bad things are Clinton's fault, no matter when they happened. Vesuvius destroyed Pompeii because Bill Clinton was going to be born in 1900 years. This is all because Bill Clinton is the anti-Christ and is responsible for the existence of evil.

[nikatnyte]

11. Then why all the security alerts?

Are they saying -- as many of us have long suspected -- that these orange-level terrorist alerts are bogus? If we're "safe," they must be!

[EstimatedProphet]

13. Yes. Interesting contradiction, isn't it?

"America and the world are safer"
"We are raising the alert status to Orange"
And they say this at the same time!
The monsters are due on Maple street.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. 100% Correct

If we're really safer, then they've intercepted the people and foiled the plans. So, there's is NO REASON to elevate the alert status. Safer means safer! It means not having to worry as much, because we're safer! Higher alert status means we should worry MORE!

Thus, one or the other has to be false.

Hmmmm! I wonder which one.
The Professor

[ProfessorGAC]

18. Oh! And, Welcome To DU!

The Professor

[EstimatedProphet]

24. Yeah

Sometimes it amazes me how much it is that Bush supporters can ignore what is obvious to everyone else. There are none so blind as those that will not see.

[EstimatedProphet]

21. So, the reversal of the meme is:

when freepers talk about how bush has stopped us from being attacked by terrorists, we should say "point out the terrorists he's had captured. If you can't do that, how do you know there have been any other attacks planned?"

[democrat_patriot]

22. So if there is an attack ala October - they going to recant?

and vote for Kerry?

Save this meme for future reference!

[EstimatedProphet]

23. Nah

One of the advantages of being ion God's Own Party is that you are always right.