Did you guys read this article? OUTRAGEOUS!!! I'm furious about this.

[chaska]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=19&u=/ap/20040820/ap_on_re_mi_ea/torture_doctors_8

[swag]

1. Just for the heck of it, here's some of the text of the article

Professor Accuses Doctors in Iraq Abuse

Fri Aug 20, 9:11 AM ET Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!


By EMMA ROSS, AP Medical Writer

LONDON - Doctors working for the U.S. military in Iraq (news - web sites) collaborated with interrogators in the abuse of detainees at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, profoundly breaching medical ethics and human rights, a bioethicist charges in The Lancet medical journal.

In a scathing analysis of the behavior of military doctors, nurses and medics, University of Minnesota professor Steven Miles calls for a reform of military medicine and an official investigation into the role played by physicians and other medical staff in the torture scandal.

He cites evidence that doctors or medics falsified death certificates to cover up homicides, hid evidence of beatings and revived a prisoner so he could be further tortured. No reports of abuses were initiated by medical personnel until the official investigation into Abu Ghraib began, he found.

"The medical system collaborated with designing and implementing psychologically and physically coercive interrogations," Miles said in this week's edition of Lancet. "Army officials stated that a physician and a psychiatrist helped design, approve and monitor interrogations at Abu Ghraib."

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[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

8. It is possible that they did that under duress...n/t

[wtmusic]

2. They must have taken the Hypocritic Oath n/t

[indigobusiness]

3. This is an outrage, alright! -a snippet

This part is searing:

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"The medical system collaborated with designing and implementing psychologically and physically coercive interrogations," Miles said in this week's edition of Lancet. "Army officials stated that a physician and a psychiatrist helped design, approve and monitor interrogations at Abu Ghraib."

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In one example, cited in a sworn statement from an Abu Ghraib detainee, a prisoner collapsed and was apparently unconscious after a beating. Medical staff revived the detainee and left, allowing the abuse to continue, Miles reported.

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He cites an example from a Human Rights Watch report in which soldiers tied a beaten detainee to the top of his cell door and gagged him. The death certificate indicated he died of "natural causes ... during his sleep." However, after media coverage, the Pentagon changed the cause of death to homicide by blunt force injuries and suffocation.

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"Fundamentally, however, the stage for these offenses was set by policies that were lax or permissive with regard to human rights abuses, and a military command that was inattentive to human rights," Miles concluded.

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They don't hate us for our freedom...

[kimchi]

4. Rate it, or it will go down the memory hole.

Unfortunately, I'm not surprised, just outraged.

[KurtNYC]

5. Rush will be sure to declare these were

"Rogue, frat boyish doctors for whom hiding evidence of beatings and reviv(ing)a prisoner so he could be further tortured are just a way to blow off steam.

Odd to see the word "torture" slip through the censors.

[nofurylike]

6. omg. remember the doctors of 20s 30s+ germany. OUTRAGE!!! n/t

[Fleshdancer]

7. "...revived a prisoner so he could be further tortured."

Oh dear God don't let this be true. Please let this be some sick joke.

:cry:

[chaska]

9. Note especially the starred content.

It's bad that the doctors are involved like this, but where's the outrage that our soldiers are doing this. We haven't seen this in the national press before. ARRRGGGGHHH!!!!

From the article:

Miles gathered evidence from U.S. congressional hearings, sworn statements of detainees and soldiers, medical journal accounts and press reports to build a picture of physician complicity, and in isolated cases active ***participation by medical personnel in abuse*** at the Baghdad prison, as well as in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and at the Guantanamo Bay detention center in Cuba.


In one example, cited in a sworn statement from an Abu Ghraib detainee, a prisoner collapsed and was apparently unconscious after a beating. Medical staff revived the detainee and left, allowing the abuse to continue, Miles reported.


Depositions from two detainees at Abu Ghraib described an incident in which a doctor allowed a medically untrained guard to sew up a prisoner's wound.


****A military police officer reported a medic inserted an intravenous tube into the corpse of a detainee who died while being tortured to create evidence that he was alive at the hospital, Miles said.****


At prisons in both Iraq and Afghanistan, "Physicians routinely attributed detainee deaths on death certificates to heart attacks, heat stroke or natural causes without noting the unnatural (cause) of the death," Miles wrote.


****He cites an example from a Human Rights Watch report in which soldiers tied a beaten detainee to the top of his cell door and gagged him. The death certificate indicated he died of "natural causes ... during his sleep." However, after media coverage, the Pentagon changed the cause of death to homicide by blunt force injuries and suffocation.****

[tom_paine]

10. The face of Amerika has changed: These Jr. Mengeles suprise me not

at all.

Someday, probably soon, Amerikan Menegels will be ask to doo these terrible things to the Imperial Subjects of Amerika.

Most of them will do so.

Wouldn't want to lose their jobs, now would they?

[indigobusiness]

14. Cruelty in America is evident everywhere you look.

Just look around. The news is full of it. Madison avenue has been completely taken over by a trend in victim oriented advertising. Cats are being found slaughtered and mutilated in cities all over this country. Even message boards, like this, have countless examples of cruel attitudes. Just listen to the non-concern for the innocent victims in Iraq and Afghanistan, hear the goose-stepping?

[Hoping4Change]

17. Agreed and this blows a hole in the illusion that US M..D.s

are Dr Marcus Welby's. Since for profit medicine has become such a ruthless industry, stellar ethics and humanity of those who practise medicine are no longer givens.

[tom_paine]

19. Anyone who has been to a doctor recently could tell you that

Often now, I have to wrangle for simple tests or treatment as if I was dealing with a Used Car Salesman, not a doctor.

[Hubert Flottz]

20. First thing that popped into my mind!

Maybe the Shrubs made money off of this too, like Grandpa Prescott did when he was part owner of IG Farben's Auschwitz and Birkenau operation!

[wolfgirl]

11. With all of this

the blame is still off of the top brass...it's always the lower echelon that take the blame. Yes - if they engaged in this behavior, they need to be under the jail....but so do all those generals &
DOD Top Brass!

This makes my heart break to see how wrong our country has gone!

[yardwork]

12. One word: Nazis

[chaska]

13. What part of "First do no harm" do you not understand?

I hate doctors. Now more than ever.

[ima_sinnic]

15. UGH--stinking scumball greedhead #%(*&s

yes, our own Amerikan Mengeles(plural)-in-training.
May they suffer their own atrocities, the pathetic cowardly sadistic swine.
What day does the civil war begin? because I'm ready for action!

[90-percent]

16. Just a few bad apples

That devious Private Lyndie England probably offered sexual favors to any Doctors that helped her torture and humiliate her prisoners.

A few more bad apples. Shows over. Move on. Don't get in the way of our just war. Questioning our use of torture is unpatriotic.


-85% Jimmy

[Cleita]

18. When you think things can't get worse.......

I tried to rate it but I couldn't because I'm not a member of Yahoo anymore and I don't really want to rejoin so I hope others will.

[Jacobin]

21. Wil their state licensing boards begin proceedings to

have their medical licenses revoked?

They won't spend any time in jail since Herr Rumfilled obviously ordered it all and will cover their fascist little asses, but goddammit the medical boards should revoke their licenses permanently

[Hubert Flottz]

22. Let's keep this kicked up!

:kick: Look at the senate majority leader and tell me you don't know how this kind of thing could happen! Do any GOPers that you know of feel bad about what Bushco did to the senior citizens with the new medicare bill? Do they ever feel bad about cheating the veterans?