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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:46 PM
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Bill KRISTOL can BITE me!! LIAR!!!
WHY is he on PBS???? Lying about John Kerry! Kristol is the founder of PNAC, the ORCHESTRATOR of the Iraq war, the HEAD neo-con.

I am OUTRAGED that he is given this platform on PBS to TELL LIES.

Are you????
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:48 PM
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1. Just as long as they present the opposition
then there is no problem. We need a truly balanced media in this country, not just a bunch of one sided crapola.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:50 PM
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2. He is an admitted LIAR
He was on the Daily show with Jon Stewart and said something to the effect he could tell the truth on the show since he was not in Washington. It was about Bush* screwing up and Bill agreed with Jon that yes Bush* did indeed screw up. Jon was shocked and that was Bill comeback. He could be truthful now that he wasn't in Washington.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:50 PM
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3. It's disgustin'.......
.....but PBS has been sellin' out for years now. :puke:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:10 PM
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43. Sadly,
I no longer donate, to PBS OR NPR.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 02:39 PM
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47. C'mon man, what else is better? I love PBS. Who has anything like
Bill Moyers "Now" or Washington Week? And I'd rather watch Jim Lehrer than any one on the other whore networks.

Tell me how they're selling out? Because they have a few fucking right wing nuts on now and then?
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:01 PM
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49. Did you SEE the debate in 2000 that Jim moderated......
.....HE SLASHED ALL OVER AL GORE...and then proped up the obvious retardation of *ush....first and foremost....they're sellin' out because THEY HAVE NO CHOICE...they've been taken over and are now RUN by those said wing-nuts....just watch the corporations that advertise between shows to get an idea of where so much of their funding comes from nowdays. :think:

PBS is STILL my favorite channel to watch as I refuse to BUY television....and the major networks programming is for the most part...complete and total BOOLSHEET! :hi:
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:51 PM
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4. Damn straight I'm mad!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:52 PM
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5. What Did He Say- I Watch Hardball
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:55 PM
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6. He's on the Newshour opposite Mark Shields
David Brooks is on vacation so he got his Master the gig.

Kristol is saying is it's <insert effete voice and robotronic demeanor> perfectly legitimate for fellow vets to express their views on Kerry's service.

He won't let Shields talk. He is legitimizing the LIES. He says Rove had nothing to do with it.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:57 PM
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8. That's Their Meme....
Kristol is a very effeminate man....


Could you imagine him in battle?

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:54 PM
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45. Bill Krostol
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 01:56 PM by truth2power
is a douchbag! I saw him last night on the Newshour. You're right - he did try to monopolize the conversation - was trying to run out the clock, just like Bush does, IMO.

I thought Mark Shields did a good job of jumping right in and challenging him on the facts. Shields seemed a lot less namby-pamby than usual.

Maybe the BS is getting so deep that waders don't even do the job anymore. :eyes:

edit> typo
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:57 PM
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7. I think they have a right to speak, but it's the duty
of the show's host to question the lies and expose them IMHO. None of these news program journalists do that. They need to get Katerina Vanden Houven, or Helen Thomas or Robert Scheer up there challenging what they say. I believe if the news media turned back into doing unbiased journalistic interviewing and reporting you wouldn't see these liars on any TV or radio shows anymore because they wouldn't want their feet put to the fire.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:04 PM
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13. Last night was an exception, as Oliphiant ripped up that
O'Neill asshole from the Swift Boat Liars. He was great, and even challenged Lerher!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 06:58 PM
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9. You know what this is? It's the OJ Defense.
All you have to do is cast DOUBT. It doesn't matter if there's no basis in fact.

BUSH=OJ

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:01 PM
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10. God I can hardly wait for Gwen Ifill and Washington Week Kool Kids
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 07:03 PM by Stephanie


to tell me how amusing it all is to tell gross lies.

It's all just so entertaining when it's not YOUR kids dying in Iraq for a LIE.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:02 PM
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11. I hate the man, and his smarmy smile, as he lies through his
teeth. Why PBS considers him appropriate to deliver editorial comment on their network, is beside me. Why doesn't PBS and NewsHour investigate PNAC, and the fascist bunch that runs it (which includes Kristol).

After Kerry gets in, it will be time to bring back honesty, morals, and editorial balance to PBS. It need a complete "house-cleaning". As it is, they've completely sold out to the Bushies. Witness Gwen's fawning over Condysleeza, Brooks and his almost daily lies, and the many times Jim himself has let these bastards flat ass lie on his program, without calling them on it.

I've written PBS, et al, many times to complain about all of this, and have not once received a reply. And to think I used to support the bastards with a check 4 times a year! Never more!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:04 PM
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12. He should be put in prison for life...
... maybe in an alternate universe there is justice.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:10 PM
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15. I agree, after all, he is a traitor to this nation, as he and his group
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 07:24 PM by Hornito
(PNAC) planned the Iraq war, and were able to execute it vis a vis their compatriots in the White House. Likewise, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Abrams, Bolton, Libby, Cheney, Jeb, and all the other memebers of PNAC, should also be charged with treason and conspiracy. Some say, this bunch of neonazicons were also involved in 9/11, and at this point, it wouldn't surprise me to learn this is true.

Will Kerry direct his new AG to go after these people, and let justice be served?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:15 PM
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17. Yes. They committed premeditated genocide.
Will Kerry do something about it? I hope so, or else I'll demand his impeachment in 2005.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:22 PM
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21. You and me both. These fascists must be politically destroyed.
To let them continue to undermine this nation, would be treason in and of itself. They must have a "wooden stake" driven through their hearts, or they will come back again, and again, and again. As it is, if Kerry does not take action against these people, (and their allies in the media), he will be giving them license to undermine his administration, because that is exactly what these totalitarian-oligarchic fascists are planning this very moment.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:07 PM
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14. If Kristol is on PBS, then PBS has probably been compromised by the PNAC.
I spoke with an employee of PBS last night. I asked her if she thought that PBS had gone completely right-wing. She said she didn't think so, but that it had "gone soft". I'm not quite sure what she meant, but I got the impression that she was "guarded" with her answer.

I don't believe that she is directly involved in any political journalism at NPR. Unfortunately, our conversation was interrupted at that point and did not continue. I was pretty disappointed, because I really wanted to pick her brain for info.

She despises Bu$h and said that she is definitely voting for John Kerry, so there is at least one Dem left at PBS.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:13 PM
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16. PBS has no business having Kristol
he's an enemy, and Brooks is no better. :mad:

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:20 PM
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20. PBS has been co-opted by NeoCons...
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:18 PM
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18. I keep looking at this bland, pink little man (Kristol)
and wondering what his botox bill is, and realizing that it's the only way this monster can manage to lie with such a straight face.
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:19 PM
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19. My lasting impression of Kristol was on a PBS documentary
about how money influences politics. The reporter, point-blank, pointed out the millions of dollars that go to presidential and legislative PACs, and asked Kristol if he thinks that it affects the way legislation is passed in Washington.

Kristol sat there with a blank stare for what seemed like an eternity. You would have thought he was asked to explain the Einstein Theory, or something. Then, when he got out of his state of stupor, he gave some half-crocked answer that made no sense.

After hearing this, I pointed to the TV screen and told my family, "THAT is an idiot!"
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:25 PM
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22. Bill Kristol needs Bush to win
because we are still short 2 wars...remember, we haven t done Iran & Syria yet, & that is the Master Plan.

With Kerry, PNAC will have a set back.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:28 PM
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23. Iran and Syria and North Korea and China
It's a 50 Years War. Once Bush is finished they'll install Jeb and meantime they'll groom Jenna.

Kristol is a soul-less prick. What is his story? Wife, children? May they all be drafted.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:30 PM
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24. Oh, sorry, I forgot OUTER SPACE
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 07:30 PM by Stephanie


If Americans knew how NUTS these freaks are they would march to Washington with PITCHFORKS and TORCHES.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:31 PM
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25. should add, Shields was great
limited somewhat by the awesome soulless dishonesty of Kristol, but Shileds managed to make some good points. He said, this M.O. doesn't just have Bush's fingerprints on it, it's in Bush's DNA, and laid out the pattern of Bush doing this in other campaigns, and pointed out how the Bush campaign today was suggesting Kerry is insane, as they've done before.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:35 PM
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26. Shields was pissed
But Kristol wouldn't let him talk and Lehrer let him get away with it.

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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:56 PM
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39. Lehrer SUCKS ASS!
Goddamn sissy never challenges the right-wing lies spewed on his show not matter how blatantly false they are. He's a fucking loser and yes, PBS is a piece of shit. It became official after they not only gave douchebag Tucker Carlson a show, but the goddamn fascists of the Journal editorial board got a show too. We are living in the New Dark Ages. Religion over science, and the reigns of power firmly in the robber barons grasp. Welcome to the medieval age of the 21st century.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:59 PM
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40. Neo-feudalism
Brought to you by the neo-cons.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:06 PM
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41. Yep....remember how he trashed Gore in the debate in 2000......
....then glorified *ushes retarded ass. :puke:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:37 PM
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53. The entire media participated in the "Gore-ing"

of our presidential candidate in 2000. I wasn't crazy about Al Gore but he was infinitely better qualified than the post-turtle. Yet the media constantly ran him down and played up Bush*'s obvious weaknesses as a speaker and debater as some kind of Zen-like "strengths." The Forrest Gump Syndrome, I call it.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 12:55 PM
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42. Yes, Shields was great.

I loved the line, "Yes, SWFT are stooges for Bush."
It was a total smackdown on what Kristol had just said.

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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 05:35 PM
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52. Shields is a mensch.
One of the few on camera these days, it seems.

And good on him for mentioning that this system of attack is PURE Bush. Bring up John McCain and what was done to him in South Carolina EVERY TIME. Hammer in it.
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CanIgonow Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:55 PM
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27. You forget that he is the Chickenhawk a la King.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:01 PM
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29. Welcome to DU, CanI gonow.
Please elaborate. I don't know enough personal details about Kristol. Where was he during Vietnam? Studying at the tennis academy?
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CanIgonow Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:08 PM
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31. All I know is that he received a deferment from the draft because
he was attending graduate school.Sort of like"had other priorities" you might say.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:15 PM
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32. Chicken Hawk
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 08:16 PM by Stephanie
It's so easy to march other people's kids off to war when you know nothing about it yourself.
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:57 PM
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28. heh i'm in the same grade/school
as his son.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:03 PM
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30. Well do tell
Does the son appear to have suffered any damage from having a major league asshole for a father? Any dirt? Can you go over to their house with a camera-phone?
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:20 PM
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34. Who needs a camera phone?
The guy is lying snake. On PBS he trys to play the middle, but on nights like this he can't help himself and starts frothing. Brooks is bad enough, but why do you think they let Kristol fill in? Are they pandering to the right for money?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:25 PM
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35. Full steam ahead for the neo-cons
I'd really like to know who calls the shots on that program. Who legitimizes Kristol as a reasonable voice from the right?

What astonishes me is that despite all their CRIMES and how WRONG they have been on every point, they STILL have not been run out of town on a rail. It's unfathomable to me. It's insane.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:18 PM
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33. His PNAC Bio - OH the COMPANY he KEEPS
What a STELLAR resume. Would you hire this guy to run YOUR company? What about your COUNTRY? Because that's what he's doing. He's pulling the strings. He's doing the thinking for all of them. And as you can see, he's highly unqualified. Quayle & Bennett????


http://www.newamericancentury.org/williamkristolbio.htm

William Kristol

William Kristol is editor of The Weekly Standard, as well as chairman and co-founder of the Project for the New American Century. Before starting the Weekly Standard in 1995, Mr. Kristol led the Project for the Republican Future, where he helped shape the strategy that produced the 1994 Republican congressional victory. Prior to that, Mr. Kristol served as chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle during the first Bush Administration. From 1985 to 1988, he served as chief of staff and counselor to Secretary of Education William Bennett. Prior to coming to Washington, Mr. Kristol served on the faculty of Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government (1983-1985) and the Department of Political Science at the University of Pennsylvania (1979-1983).

Mr. Kristol has published numerous articles and essays on topics including constitutional law, political philosophy, and public policy, and has co-edited several books, including The Neoconservative Imagination (with Christopher DeMuth, 1995), Educating the Prince: Essays in Honor of Harvey Mansfield (with Mark Blitz, 2000), Present Dangers (with Robert Kagan, 2000), Bush v. Gore: The Court Cases and the Commentary (with E. J. Dionne, Jr., 2001), and The Future is Now: American Confronts the New Genetics (with Eric Cohen, 2002). He is the co-author, with Lawrence Kaplan, of the best-selling book The War Over Iraq. Widely recognized as one of the nation's leading political analysts and commentators, Mr. Kristol regularly appears on Fox News Channel. He serves on the boards of the Manhattan Institute, the John M. Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs, and the Shalem Foundation.

Mr. Kristol received both his A.B. (1973) and Ph.D. (1979) from Harvard University. Married with three children, he currently resides in bucolic McLean, Virginia.
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CanIgonow Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:45 PM
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36. He is also a proponent, along with Wolfowitz,of gene warfare,to
to "control" unruly populations.By gene warfare he means developing designer viruses that attack specific genotypes.A more dangerous set of lunatics would be hard to find on this planet.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 08:46 PM
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37. Kristol took $100,000 from ENRON then SHILLED for them in print!
by Joe Conason - 2/4/2002:

http://www.nyobserver.com/pages/story.asp?ID=5423

Mr. Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard and ubiquitous television commentator, says he regularly takes large sums from corporate interests for making speeches. His Enron buck-raking was arranged by Irwin Stelzer, a confidant of Weekly Standard owner Rupert Murdoch who doubled as the coordinator (or bagman) of the energy giant’s so-called "advisory board." During that period, The Weekly Standard led the cheering for energy deregulation and attacked Enron’s critics, but only after the company fell did the magazine (parenthetically) reveal its editor’s lip-lock on the Enron sugar tit.

****

As recently as Jan. 20, Mr. Kristol appeared on Fox News Sunday, another outpost of that empire, to comment on the Enron affair. There he disparaged a "big hyperventilating editorial" on Enron in The Times and went on to defend the Vice President’s refusal to release materials concerning White House contacts with the company. "I do think if you start releasing all executive-branch communications with anyone from any company with whom you deal totally legitimately, where does that go next?" he asked. Nobody, including Mr. Kristol, mentioned his fat consultancy fees from Enron.

In fact, Mr. Kristol’s ethical code apparently applies to everyone but himself. This reflects poorly on someone who built his career on preaching about the liberal evasion of personal responsibility, the decline of public morality and the necessity of full disclosure by the Clinton administration.

But hypocrite and fraud that he is, even Bill Kristol isn’t beyond redemption. The first step would be to disclose all his corporate emoluments. Then he ought to give back that $100,000 to the Enron employees who were cheated.

And then he should fire himself.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:23 PM
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44. His father was a big bag of it, too:
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 11:59 PM
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54. Read some of those quotes, his father sounds like a borderline racist
:(
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 02:33 PM
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46. Bill Kristol tells the "truth".
Complaining about a Kerry "flipflop" on Nuclear waste and Yucca mountain, Kristol claimed that Bush never went to Nevada and said he would he would not use this site for nuclear waste. True. What Bush actually said was his position was the same as Gore's. A lie. Kristol is a master of manufacturing a fig-leaf of truth to cover jungle of lies. He is the archetypal neo-con. The only other even close to him is Richard Perle.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 02:42 PM
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48. Everyone can see through Bill Kristol, he has no creditability.
'Ya can't put down PBS because a right wing nut gives his opinion.

Cool it!!
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:30 PM
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50. He bears major responsibility for the Iraq war etc.,yet he poses as a jour
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 05:18 PM by Algorem
nalist on all these shows.HE SHOULD BE REMOVED.Along with all his minions like David Brooks. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/political_wrap/july-dec04/sk_8-20.html
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 05:01 PM
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51. Weekly Standard circulation:65,000,Time:4 million+,Newsweek3 million+,
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 05:07 PM by Algorem
Gourmet magazine:9970,000+.Why are these Weekly Standard worms even on these shows?Do they pay to be on?Could they be run off the air somehow? http://www.theweeklystandard.com/advertising/readershipcirculation.asp http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0301522.html
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