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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:54 PM
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What has HAPPENED to PBS??? Tucker CARLSON - OMFG
I just can't believe what I'm seeing tonight. I have never watched FOX News so imagine my shock to see this atrocity on PBS.

In Defense of Internment. Racial Profiling is Okay. Civil Liberties Reductions are Necessary in a Time of War. John Kerry is a War Criminal. Women Want to be Dominated by Men.

I have donated to PBS in the past and I NEVER WILL AGAIN. EVER.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:55 PM
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1. they might as well start running commercials
they have sold out
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:58 PM
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4. They already do
Where else does Archer Daniels Midland advertise?
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:38 PM
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15. NPR.
It's why I stopped listening to them, too, a few years back. I knew their environmental and agricultural coverage would never be trustworthy to me again.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:57 PM
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2. Keep donating
Just tell them your money can only be used to support "NOW" or other TV or radio show of you choice.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:59 PM
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5. Absolutely NOT
They have lost me forever.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:06 PM
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6. Can you do that?
That could be a loophole we could use. I'd hate to see funding dry up for worthwhile programs.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:02 AM
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25. I believe you can target donations--call and ask during pledge drive
PBS has been starved for funds by this administration. I don't know about the Clinton years, but Bush I and Reagan were no great friends of either PBS or the arts.

I look on the plight of PBS as I do on the public schools: the more the government starves them for money, the more their critics can point to their perceived flaws, and it creates a vicious circle.

Corporate donations begin to look better in such a plight -- witness the number of schools and colleges accepting corporate money as they are starved of government funding.

No, it is not right. But it is. And I don't think we, the people, ought to abandon either public schools or public television.

Hekate
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 09:58 PM
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3. I strongly suspect that that is the point of having Carlson there...
to convince the supporters of PBS to stop supporting it so that it dies. I've been witholding money but I'm thinking of sending some with a strongly worded letter.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:02 AM
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36. Tucker Carlson is on PBS because the
right-wing pitched a fit about Bill Moyers' program, Now. They accused PBS of having a left-wing bias by airing Moyers' program. He also got where he is the REPUBLICAN and upper crust way....

HIS DADDY!!!!

http://www.alternet.org/story/19002/


The baby-faced conservative commentator now has his own television show thanks to his daddy, but even right-wingers are unhappy about it.

-snip-

After all, Richard Carlson used to head the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which partially funds PBS, and also contributes to the production of -- you guessed it -- "Tucker Carlson Unfiltered! Before that, Richard headed the United States Information Agency, which presumably explains the propaganda gene so prevalent in much of young Tuck's prior shouting . . .er, "reporting."

-snip-

As detailed in the public broadcasting newspaper Current, two recently appointed CPB Board members, Gay Hart Gaines and Cheryl Halpern, together with their families, have given more than $816,000 to Republican causes over the past fourteen years. And, as Common Cause reported in a little-noticed news release last December, Gaines was a key fundraiser for Newt Gingrich a decade ago, when the then-House speaker was actively campaigning to defund CPB. Halpern meanwhile has suggested that CPB should be given authority to impose accountability and penalties for broadcasts it deems unbalanced -- such as, presumably, "Now with Bill Moyers."

CPB Chairman Kenneth Tomlinson -- Director of Voice of America for two years during the Reagan Administration -- has also weighed in, telling Auletta that "it is absolutely critical for people on the right to feel they have the same ownership stake in pubic television as people on the left have."

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:08 PM
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7. Voice your opinion
Time and again during fundraising, we hear "if you like this program". TELL THEM you have supported in the past. TELL THEM how much you have donated. TELL THEM WHY you have supported them in the past. Then TELL THEM that what you are seeing. Clearly lay it out how things have changed.

If they want to keep the support coming in from the loyal base of viewers, you have to tell them.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:10 PM
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8. When my dad was my soccer coach...
he made it a point to be extra hard on me to show the other players that he wasn't playing favorites just because I was his son. So I had to run extra laps, etc. It sucked.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:15 PM
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9. Email I sent to KCTS in Seattle
"I am profoundly disappointed that KCTS would air the friendly, homey chat that Tucker Carlson had with the author of 'In Defense of Internment', Michelle Malkin. The whole persecution of a group based on race was blithely glossed over, with the author remonstrating us that in wartime, civil liberties have to be curtailed. The host of your wonderful new show gladly went along with the horrible concept, never raising a word in protest.

"I am just appalled. This kind of racist banter does not deserve a place on Seattle's public airwaves. It's just unimaginable that anyone would think it appropriate for this market.

"I have always been a supporter of public television, but I will *never* support KCTS while you continue to broadcast such programming. Never."
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:19 PM
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12. Damn!
I forgot to add the obvious point that Seattle is the home of a very large Japanese-American population, and depends on a lot of Japanese tourism. If someone else writes an email to KCTS, please don't forget to mention this!
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:29 PM
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13. he's having HER on?
KCTS. sad. i worked with so many internment 'vets' at Nordstorm. only one would ever talk about it. machi. she was the first japanese and older woman i ever heard use the term 'fucking asshole' and 'piece of shit' and she was usually talking about guards at 'camp' or our boss.

do you listen to Counterspin? this week has a bit about malkin's book being described as pro-internment by CBS journalist Joy Chen... she got pissed and fired off a letter ABOUT THE PRO-INTERNMENT description-to the host of CBS' Big Brother, Julie Chen. ooops! ROFLMAO. janine jackson is so droll
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lottie244 Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:15 PM
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10. Those of us who have contributed to PBS in the past ought to send
a message that we will not be contributing again. We have enough of FOXite media. If we want to flush our money down the toilet we can do that at home!!!
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:17 PM
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11. christ! i can't believe you brought this up
i almost fired off one of my fabulous 'you suck' letters, both scathing and hilarious at the same time about the evil little bow-tied pretentious pos to my local station, but then i remembered, i already did that to them over the mcvomit report and their extreme misuse of funds and the shitty fund drive programming they have now. gaaaaack. i already black carded them.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:30 PM
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14. Looks like PBS stands for "Probably Bull Shit" these days. n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 06:24 AM
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27. "Now" is not probably BS nor is Washington Week, or Jim Lehrer's
News Hours. Tell me what's better than PBS and the many excellent programs they promote?
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:42 PM
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16. THINK about this first!
PBS is being forced to show a variety of opinions, whether we like that or not.

But if we stop donating to PBS, and the right-wing takes control of it, we will lose NOW.

Then the right-wing will say "look, even the most progressive network agrees with us.".

Pleease don't react. Act. It's perfectly legit to stop donating if they drop NOW. Until then, I'm donating and telling them it's only because of NOW that they get my money.

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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:52 PM
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18. The Corporations Are In Control Of PBS, And It Shows
When they cut the government funding, they started the contant ads for every damn corporation -- including Walmart.

Then they get on people like Carlson? Not a coincidence.

I cut off NPR and PBS completely, and tripled my donations to Pacifica Radio this year. It's now the ONLY outlet not controlled by corporate BS.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 11:00 PM
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21. What you say is true, but we can't run from mainstream media --
as much as PBS/NOW is mainstream. I LOVE Pacifica Radio, but how many moderate Repubs listen to Pacifica? A lot more will see NOW, just because it's on PBS and they happen by on the cable.

We have to not only preach to the choir, but those in the pews as well. And we can't preach to the pews if we don't own some part of the pulpit.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 11:23 PM
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22. I'm sorry but I was physically ill watching that
I might as well give my money to the Klan or the Taliban, from what I heard tonight.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:02 AM
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28. Bill Moyers is retiring from NOW after the election.....
so the show won't be the same without him anyway, he is NOW.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:08 AM
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37. After Bill Moyers retires Now will be reduced to
30 minutes and the host will be that "radical anti capitalist" host of NPR's Marketplace, David Brancaccio.

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:34 AM
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32. "Stop me before I Kill AGAIN..."
"Hey, you Latte-sucking Sheep, send in money or we show MORE of this wingnut CRAP!" What a marketing plan!

So you send a concise, 12-page letter with your cheque during fundrasier.

Good for you. they open your envelope, fish out the cheque, shit-can the rest sight unseen. At least it felt good to get that all off your chest, right?
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:18 AM
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39. NOW often is used during PBS fundraiser's. Donate during those times.
That is direct feedback.

I'm curious how you'd propose we keep progressive news in the mainstream media otherwise?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 05:18 PM
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47. Fairness Doctrine.
Bring it back, you wrest The Media away from the CEO's.

A LOT of people in the Indianapolis market must either WANT to see "NOW" on Friday night at midnight, they DON'T donate during "NOW", asking for a better time-slot, or, (more likely) the station takes their money and does what the big-buck program underwriters like Eli Lilly, et. al. tell them to do.

I'm beginning to believe that Public Broadcasting doesn't give a fuck what their $20-$100-a-year members want.

Like I said, bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

Anything less is just intelectual masturbation.
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ItsThePeopleStupid Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:45 PM
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17. no!
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 10:46 PM by ItsThePeopleStupid
I felt exactly the same way you did after watching Carlson. I don't get cable and have never watched Faux News either.

PBS is the best on TV I can get. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. They are going downhill, I agree. What they *need* is support, not a mass exodus of liberals. It's counterproductive.

I just donated $75 for my NOW mug. Please consider doing something similar.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:53 PM
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19. Isn't PBS
cutting NOW to a half hour after Moyers retires from the show?

They(theocratic fascists) have a 30 year head start(or maybe they never went away). I don't think we have 30 years to counter what they've been able to do. And they didn't start doing it because they had nothing better to do at the time. They did it because they have a serious agenda, with serious goals, and serious means to accomplish those goals.

Roughly half of this country will vote for them.

I'm still not completely sure that this country survives after Nov. 2nd, no matter who wins.

The Radical Right isn't going away. I don't care how much they've messed up in Iraq. They sold weapons to Iran to fund a little war in Central America, and they still got their man elected in the next election. They still got their man in in the last election. I don't care how they did it. They did it. If not for Ross Perot in 92, maybe they don't lose that one. Not a certainty by any means, but maybe.

These are dangerous people. Corporate America isn't going away on Nov. 3rd. They're not shy about killing people. And they're not shy about needing people to die(as in their new Pearl Harbor) to further their rapacious greed.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 10:54 PM
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20. Yes, and the much more prominent Jim Leher is the best we....
have out there along with Dan Rather and Mike Wallace. I can tolerate some of the crap on PBS in order to get the good. NPR is another story, it should be SHUT DOWN and sold off.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 03:13 AM
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23. LINKS TO CONTACT INFO FOR PBS AND TUCKER --
PBS:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/?command=org_pages&org_id=560


Link to "station-finder" page:

http://www.pbs.org/stationfinder/index.html


And:

Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered

Producer:
WETA
2775 S. Quincy St.
Arlington, VA 22206

Web site:
pbs.org/tuckercarlson/
Check out profiles, scripts and other inside information on the series.

E-mail:
tuckercarlson@weta.com



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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 03:21 AM
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24. In the words of Kyle's mother, "what what WHAAAAT???
In my words, "UTTER BULLSHIT!"

It's almost as if this programming is designed to make us hate PBS and not donate anymore. Looks like an active drive to destroy PBS by Bush&Co.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 04:35 AM
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26. Bill Moyers interviewed Lou Dobbs tonight--it was great
They both consistently and strongly speak out on the dangers of the corporatism that has taken over this country, and I very much appreciate them for that.

Regardless of the increasing frequency and length of PBS’s commercials, they still provide an invaluable source of news and other programming that the other television companies can't be bothered with. It was PBS, remember, that brought us the Democratic Convention with intelligent commentary. Not everyone in this country has cable or can afford it, so CSPAN is not the total answer.

NOW with Bill Moyers is worth the price of admission all by itself, especially under the current regime in Washington.

However, I was sickened tonight to see that Wal-Mart was a sponsor of one program, and that an entire segment was devoted to a chirpy-happy review of the Wal-Mart success story. I waited through the whole thing hoping for the truthful punchline -- finally it came, with brief interviews with unhappy former employees, and a promise that a subsequent program would detail Wal-Mart's "drive to the bottom" impact on personal, local, and global economies. They won't let us down.

I have never bothered to watch Tucker Carlson. The few minutes I've seen him (on any station) have only aggravated me, and I'm sorry that such a one-sided partisan has found a home on PBS. It's absolutely gross that he had Michelle Malkin on--it's bad enough that her column appears in my newspaper (the new owner is a Libertarian gazillionaire who seems to have gone out of her way to find minority columnists like Thomas Sowell and Michelle Malkin; fortunately she runs other views on other days).

One-sided partisanship is not a given: tonight Bill Moyers not only had Lou Dobbs on (The Outsourcing of America), he had Kevin Phillips (American Dynasty). Both are conservatives, both are (or were) Republicans, and both are worried sick at the direction two generations of Bushes have taken the US. We need to be able to dialog with people like them -- we need to be able to see someone like Moyers have a public dialog with them, instead of the disgusting display of screaming heads on cable channels.

Write to PBS, both your local station and the national one. Please don't cut them off. We need them, and they need us.

Hekate
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:28 AM
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30. They LEGITIMIZE Tucker Carlson when they allow him on PBS
There is an ENORMOUS difference between conservative thinkers such as Kevin Philips, and all of these vicious cogs in the Right Wing Lie Machine such as Joe Scarborough and Rush Limbaugh. It's a clear distinction. And Tucker Carlson is clearly in the Lie Machine category, but he does it without the screaming so it's not quite so apparent.

I don't want to see LIES, BIGOTRY, SEXISM and RACISM sanctioned and LEGITIMIZED by being aired on PBS. You really had to see this program to understand. I was crying, I was so frightened. Calling John Kerry a War Criminal????? This was in a polite little roundtable discussion.

I am NOT for shutting out conservatives on PBS. I AM sick of this notion that in order to "balance" progressive journalists such as Moyers we have to put on LIARS from the right.

Let's argue FACTS with FACTS, not lies and propaganda. Where is the standard of TRUTH on these shows?

I am going to look for a transcript. This was far far worse than you think.


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:33 AM
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31. I can't find a transcript, but they have a forum
I wonder if they will avoid posting transcripts.


http://discussions.pbs.org/viewforum.pbs?f=85

THREADS:

Announcement: Welcome to the Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered Discussion Forum!
7 WETA Moderator 112 Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:11 am

John Kerry military service
0 draftsmen 6 Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:36 am

RACIAL PROFILING WILL SAVE AMERICA FROM TERRORISTS!!!
0 krislord 4 Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:13 am

Cancel Tucker Carlson's Despicable Show
0 etopia 10 Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:21 am

Men: Welcome to the 21st Century
1 FemaleAndProudOfIt 12 Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:02 am

No new posts Disappointed in PBS and "Unfiltered"
0 rjamesw 20 Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:04 am

Background on Tonight's Right-Wing Liar
3 jfl 105 Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:55 pm
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #30
40. This is a good point. We need to force PBS to the highest standards --
regardless of whether it's a progressive or conservative show, they should be held to a standard of reporting facts, and making commentary on facts, not bald-faced lies. Is there an oversight body that should be doing this at PBS -- and if not, there should be.

I'll do some research this weekend to see what I can find.

--
Stephanie, please don't misunderstand me, Carlson is a slime ball, I'd rather we not have him on PBS at all.

But we can't take back the media if we run away from it. We have to exert our pressure on the media that most citizens consume in order to make a change that counts. Let's not bail on PBS yet. Let's fight for it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. I understand your point but you didn't see the show
If you had I know you would be as horrified as I was. Check the schedule, maybe it airs again.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:10 PM
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42. [bad attempt at humor] Please, let's not get extreme!
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 01:11 PM by Pobeka
How many of us should be tortured by having to watch that?

Should I be strapped to a chair with eyelids propped open ala Clockwork Orange, lest I turn away in revulsion?
--

Told ya it was bad humor.

Regardless of if I can watch it, I trust your review, that's more than enough for me and also Carlson's track record speaks for itself.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:49 PM
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45. It's very telling that they don't post a transcript
This is the sneakiest type of propaganda, because the right is using what was once the most legitimate, impartial, respected broadcast outlet on the air to just flat-out tell lies and promote bigotry.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #26
33. You had to hear Tucker agreeing that "women just want to be spanked"
And the author asserting that men just want a woman who cooks.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #26
34. Kerry should give Dobbs a place in his cabinet
Dobbs is a true patriot. I honor him. I only wish he could be the next President.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:31 AM
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29. Can "Big Birds For Bush" bumper stickers be far behind?
What a shame PBS has sold out. I quit supporting them a couple years ago.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:39 AM
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35. Don't Miss the WSJ Editorial Board!!!
On your local PBS station, that is! Gee, they haven't sold out completely or anything. Fuck em and fuck NPR. When NPR fired Edwards they lost my money. Let them eat Wal-Mart.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 02:08 PM
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46. Totally agree, gulf...
both seem to have been completely co-opted over a year ago. Not subtly, either. Change seemed sudden and abrupt. There are JUST enough "liberal" comments allowed to make the puketards shout "Liberal Media!", while the overall slant, selection, and editorializing drives inexorably onward towards BFEE objectives.

It is insidious.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:20 PM
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43. Did you see Carlson's article in this month's Esquire? He ripped up Bush.
It would be nice if he was going to actually stop being a media whore and actually start telling the truth and saying how he REALLY feels.

Excerpt from Tucker Carlson's article (not online yet):

A Conservative’s Dilemna
By Tucker Carlson

He (Bush) wasted critical momentum tinkering with the Department of Homeland Security, as if the obvious response to 9/11 was bureaucratic reshuffling. His administration alienated even potential allies by responding to the slightest criticism in a tone that fluctuated between high-handed and contemptuous.

A then, of course--famously, fatally--Bush began planning for a war in Iraq..... it was till hard for me to believe it, THIS was the next step in the new war on terror Bush had described on September 20?

-snip-

As he has managed and mismanaged the war in Iraq, Bush has proved stubborn, uncommunicative, and slow to adapt to changing realities. ... But Bush isn't inflexible because he's arrogant. He's inflexible because he's weak. And it is because he is weak that we invaded Iraq.

-snip-

I believe that this was a colossal error--made in good faith, but a mistake nonetheless. It will be hard for me to vote for a man who has done something so reckless..... John Kerry isn't really an alternative. So it's Bush or no one. That will be my choice on November 2.

-snip-
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:49 PM
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44. Tavis Smiley and Jim Leher are NOT right wingers.
Now NPR is all right wing and it SHOULD BE DECOMMISIONED!
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