Pravda: "Al Qaeda does not exist, and never has"....not a new theory

[mopaul]

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/13821_AlQaeda.html

Al Qaeda does not exist and never has
08/19/2004 13:31
The basic truth is that Al Qaeda does not exist and never has. Al Qaeda is a manufactured enemy who was created by the Bush Administration in order to have an excuse to wage a war for the control of the world"s oil resources.
Did an American even hear the words "Al Qaeda" before 9-11? Or were we told that its alleged leader Osama Bin Laden has family who themselves have personal business relationships with George W. Bush"s family and that both families had financially profited considerably from the "War on Terror"?

If "Al Qaeda" was such an organized group terrorists as we are being told then why weren"t we the people notified of this evil threat when the US Cole was bombed a few months before 9-11? "Al Qaeda" is nothing more than a broad euphemistic umbrella classification used to group any Middle Eastern fighter under the Sun as an enemy. The most diabolical aspect of this public relations stunt is that it enables the current Administration to label any group it feels necessary to attack to appear to be related to an unprovable organized enemy while at the same time actually increasing its approval ratings by exploiting the basic primal fears of the American public. Furthermore when one realizes the questionable motivations that this Administration has used previously to attack an enemy, as what is now surfacing about the Iraq War, one begins to get the strange feeling that this Orwellian double-speak is nothing more than a smoke and mirror illusion whose true intentions would of made Goebbels himself jealous.

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this is a 'theory' that we have discussed many times here at DU. i know pravda is from that awful nasty russia, but this is not the first time i've read such ideas, nor is pravda the only publication mirroring this notion.

[Jim Sagle]

1. Yeah, you can also find it at National Vanguard and rense.com.

Note that the "author" makes an oblique suggestion that Israel is behind 9-11.

[burythehatchet]

2. I agree with the general premise. I've always said that "al-qaida" and

the Bush family are partners in a worldwide theft of massive proportions. I suppose to be more accurate I should say that al-q is a creation of the bush/bin laden empires.

[parasim]

3. Let's check the good ol' Wikipedia...

interesting...

-snip

Al-Qaida was established by Osama bin Laden in 1988 to expand the resistance movement against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan into a pan-Islamic resistance movement.

Although "al-Qaida" is the name of the organization used in popular culture, the organization does not use the name to formally refer to itself. The name al-Qaida was coined by the United States government based on the name of a computer file of bin Laden's that listed the names of contacts he had made in Afghanistan, which talks about the organization as the "Qaida-al-Jihad" — the base of the jihad.

-snip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda


And since the US basically created the resistance movement against the Soviet Union, recruiting bin Laden... this article seems quite plausible.

[Flagius]

4. I had heard of both...

Bin Laden and Al Quaeda as early as 1998.

[Dancing_Dave]

14. The article basically true, but a bit sloppy

The CIA has been in the process of creating Al Quaeda as convenient enemey for years. There's a lot about this at the Centre for Research on Globalization: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/11SEPT309A.html

We don't know if the CIA originally intended their propaganda invention to be used in connection with such a large and deadly Propaganda Spectacle in the United States as 9/11. Cheney and Rumsfeld had their own reasons for needing this "New Pearl Harbor".
Then the CIA had to take the fall for "intelligence failures" supposedly leading to 9/11. There's a lot of tension within the web of treachery these days. It could all unravel under pressure.

[Logansquare]

6. Well, then Pravda is technically correct

although they can't necessarily pin the misnomer on the Bush administration. Our intelligence community can't seem to grasp the concept of terrorist cells acting without central authority, so they have to create an Al Quaida in order to get their minds around it.

[DemBones DemBones]

22. How reliable is Wikipedia?

:shrug:

[myomy]

5. Sounds ÒFair and BalancedÓ to me..

just like our own government controlled media.

[Pallas180]

7. And there was no external attacking enemy on 9/11- have you heard of

"put-up-job" ?

I agree. There is no AlQueda enemy. "The enemy is within" as the
saying goes.

[CaTeacher]

8. First time I can remember

hearing about it was in 1990. In 1990, I read a book written by an ex-CIA guy--he mentioned them several times. So obviously they must have existed some time before I read the book.

Supposedly, according to this ex-CIA guy, they have cells all over the globe--in the past they used student visas to get into the country easily--according to the book, nearly every American university has at least one cell, he also claimed that they were in nearly every country of the world.

This would make it a lot more widespread than it seems. I have troulbe buying this. It is very difficult to know what to believe.

[smallprint]

9. another article: "Does Al-Qaeda Exist?"

...

Every day since the 9/11 attacks of 2001 there have been media reports about al-Qaeda - its leaders, members, capabilities, bank accounts, reach and threat. What is this al-Qaeda? Does such a group even exist?

Some terrorism experts doubt it. Adam Dolnik and Kimberly McCloud reckon it's time we 'defused the widespread image of al-Qaeda as a ubiquitous, super-organised terror network and call it as it is: a loose collection of groups and individuals that doesn't even refer to itself as al-Qaeda'. Dolnik and McCloud - who first started studying terrorism at the prestigious Monterey Institute of International Studies in California - claim it was Western officials who imposed the name 'al- Qaeda' on to disparate radical Islamic groups and who blew Osama bin Laden's power and reach 'out of proportion'. Both are concerned about the threat of terror, but argue that we should 'debunk the myth of al-Qaeda' (2).

There is a 'rooted public perception of what al-Qaeda is', says Dolnik, who is currently carrying out research on the Terrorism and Political Violence Programme at the Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies in Singapore; but, he says, such perceptions are far from accurate. Dolnik argues that where many imagine that al-Qaeda is 'a super organisation of thousands of super-trained and super-secret members who can be activated any minute', in fact it is better understood as something like a 'global ideology that has not only attracted many smaller regional groups, but has also facilitated the boom of new organisations that embrace this sort of radical and violent thinking'. Dolnik and others believe that, in many ways, the thing we refer to as 'al-Qaeda' is largely a creation of Western officials.

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006DFED.htm


edited for space

[Pallas180]

11. The thing we refer to as Al Queda

is totally a creation of Western officials, I've come to believe.

From your post above:

"Western officials who imposed the name 'al- Qaeda' on to disparate radical Islamic groups and who blew Osama bin Laden's power and reach 'out of proportion'."

because it suited a purpose to blow Osama's power out of proportion
and make him "the chief" of Al Queda.

Osama had a role to play both for the Saud's and his family's business partners - and he played it well.

You'll notice when the marines could have caught him, they were ordered back and told to let the Pakisani ISI go after him in Tora
Bora. Of course the ISI couldn't find him.

That was no accident.

[smallprint]

13. Zbigniew Brzezinski had a hand in creating it

Check out the photos here:
http://www.geocities.com/RepresentativePress/binLadenphoto.html

Zbig with Osama.

"Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.

Washington's policy in Afghanistan was shaped by US President Jimmy Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and was continued by his successors. His plan went far beyond simply forcing Soviet troops to withdraw; rather it aimed to foster an international movement to spread Islamic fanaticism into the Muslim Central Asian Soviet republics to destabilise the Soviet Union."

http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/Conspiracies/CIA/CIA_created_Osama.htm


on edit:
on the Pakistani airlift:

"In interviews, however, American intelligence officials and high-ranking military officers said that Pakistanis were indeed flown to safety, in a series of nighttime airlifts that were approved by the Bush Administration. The Americans also said that what was supposed to be a limited evacuation apparently slipped out of control, and, as an unintended consequence, an unknown number of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters managed to join in the exodus. "Dirt got through the screen," a senior intelligence official told me. Last week, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld did not respond to a request for comment."

Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker
http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?020128fa_FACT


I agree, Pallas180-- I just don't believe the official story anymore.

[stavka]

10. I find the notion that Al Qaeda (or what it calls itself) doesn't exist...

THE most singularly frustrating element to discussions on DU.

It is like "the world is flat". It makes this as an instrument sound like those involved are either FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC APOLOGISTS, or retarded....

8 minutes after the second plane hit the world trade center towers I told somebody who did it, I didn't need the Bush administration to tell me....

Did you people sleep through the Cole attack or the embassy bombings? More subtle, but in the news, the civil wars in Uzbekistan and Chechnya?

[Pallas180]

12. It would be very difficult

to accept that a people's own government could mass murder them,
a notion the mind rejects, but this government has engaged in such plans for Americans since the 1950's.

Please google Northwoods.

Look up the Project for A New Century.

Look up "The New Pearl Harbor" written by Zignew Brzinski (bad spelling but close enough.

Think about it after you read those things.

[The Magistrate]

20. 'Northwoods", Sir

Gets damned tiresome. The scheme was not to kill U.S. citizens, but to feign attacks on same, using various means to simulate destruction of an aircraft, and conceal the actual survival of the aircraft and persons on it. The feigned destruction was to serve as a pretext for immediate action, and things would be sorted out later once the "mistake" was revealed. That no such action was ever carried out speaks volumes for the understanding of operational chiefs concerning the improbability the large numbers necessarily involved would keep their mouths shut about it.

"Let's try Mikey! He'll eat anything!"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[stavka]

24. Problem is, at it's most base plank gaining advantage....

either fiscal of political...destroying the world trade center hurt the rich far more than anybody else...

OBL was fighting in Afghanistan for nearly a decade to create a little Arab fiefdom to call his own - the only reason we didn't wipe him out was Pakistan and it's nuclear program/Indian policy.

It was dumb, they still got a bomb, they still peck at India, we still got attacked and in the end we still don't have an Afghanistan we want.

[Dancing_Dave]

16. Then You Will Like This Article!

AL QAEDA PLANS TO DROP GAY BOMBS
Men within 30 miles of the blast will instantly
turn queer!

By Nick Jefferies

Weekly World News, August 10, 2004
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/conspiracies/61525


EXTREMIST Muslim scientists are developing a bomb
that turns anyone within a 30-mile radius of its
blast into a homosexual, say U.S. Intelligence
insiders.

It's all a part of the Al Qaeda master plan to
pull our country apart and kill the patriotism
that makes us strong.

"They believe that making more Americans gay will
start civil war between gays and
ultraconservatives," says one highly placed
intelligence officer. "They also figure it will
lead to a decrease in the U.S. population."

The Gay Bomb was already in the planning stages
when Osama Bin Laden and close, intimate friend
Muhammad Atef founded the international terrorist
group Al Qaeda in 1989.

"Atef and Bin Laden spent many late nights
together during that time of revolution," reveals
an ex-Al Qaeda member, who prefers to remain
anonymous for fear of retribution.

"One morning, I entered their living quarters and
they had worked so hard the night before they had
fallen into bed together, suffering from
exhaustion.

"That's when I saw the blueprints for the bomb. I
asked about it, but Bin Laden said to leave it to
the scientists. He and Atef had accidentally set
one off the night before."

The explosive device is a foot long and shaped
like a cigar with a pair of land mines at one
end. Planes carrying the weapons will drop them
on all major U.S. cities, except, of course, San
Francisco, reveals the source.

The Gay Bomb will detonate the instant a
heterosexual male steps on one of the mines,
releasing potent waves of the female hormone
estrogen into the air.

Within hours, heterosexual men will experience
terrible urges like: "I'm dying to make out with
my buddy in the next cubicle," and "I want a
divorce from the witch I married," and "I wonder
if I should redecorate the living room."

By the end of the day, the nation will be thrown
into chaos. Wives and husbands will square off,
leaving a trail of broken families from Hollywood
to New York City.

Children will sob: "Why is Daddy moving the
furniture and who is Judy Garland?"

Civil war will break out between conservative
heterosexuals and newly single guerrilla fighters
whowill likely call themselves the PLH, or Proud
Latent Homosexuals.

"The only way to stop this horrible vision of the
future is to analyze an exposed person's
biochemistry and come up with a vaccine before
the gay bombs strike," explains a government
scientist.

Fortunately, Homeland Security czar Tom Ridge has
stepped forward and volunteered for the dangerous
job.

"We will reconstruct the gay bomb from the ex-Al
Qaeda member's memory of the blueprints and set
it off," says the scientist.

"Mr. Ridge will be as queer as a three-dollar
bill until we find an antidote. Hopefully, we
will discover the cure before it becomes
permanent and he remains a gay man forever."

Published on: 08/10/2004

:)

[The Magistrate]

19. Your No. 10 Above, Mr. Stavka

Is a pleasure to read in this particular exchange. You are a sensible fellow, Sir.

"They believed everything they could prove, and could prove everything they believed."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[maryallen]

26. Read the 911 Report ...

Until the END of Clinton's administration, the CIA would not unequivocably confirm that Al-Queda was responsible for the Cole bombing. And even then, confirmation appeared to be lukewarm.

The Yemenis never released to the CIA the original interrogations of the perps who -- by the way -- Zelikow et al. (authors of the 911 Report) admit were LOOSELY tied to bin Laden.

Further, verification of events was muddied because April Galaspie forced FBI investigator, John O'Neill (later killed at the WTC) out of Yemen -- documented in the report (shock). It was O'Neill, you will recall, who said that all answers to the al-Queda puzzle could be found in Saudi Arabia.

[stavka]

27. Everybody is LOOSELY tied to Al Queda

Al Queda's strength is that it is a violent, militant, educated, motivated, and comparatively well funded club - it's weaknesses are that it has few people and has to operate in the shadows or under the umbrella of other nations (Pakistan/Yemen/Saudi Arabia/The Phillipeans/ Indonesia - all circa 2001)

What has been lacking is a willingness to offend "allies"

This country IMHO would do better to ignore religion in its pro-active foreign policy no matter what that religion is. We don't get it, and it always bites us in the butt....

Every other country on the globe conducts REALPOLITIK with religious blinders - including the theocracies like Israel and Iran - we should too.

[Classical_Liberal]

15. look the pnac are idiots, but this column is pure demagoguery

because it takes advantage of public ignorance. I remember hearing about Al Qaeda and Osama after the bombing of the Cole.

[Pallas180]

18. Who takes advantage of public ignorance?

let's see.

-Attack on the US ship in the Gulf of Tonkin which started the Viet Nam war. The attack never happened.

-Col. Smedley Butler wrote of the government using the US Army to pave the way for private corporations again and again, from 1917 on.

--West Nile Virus was shipped to Iraq - from US govt. laboratories, but
it's really just some quirky virus - not manufactured by US bio warfare labs at all.

-The CIA released poison gas into San Francisco subways to test out
its effects on "subjects".

- The Joint Chiefs of Staff General Lemnitzer 1960's plan "Northwoods" to attack and kill American Citizenry to make Americans angry enough to support going to war.

I could go on - but I'd be sitting at this computer for months.

the history is all there. you just have to look for it.

or be part of the "public".

[Classical_Liberal]

21. I don't know what that has to do with my point?

Those things may have happened but I was clearly talking about the person who wrote the article who was taking advantage of people who don't pay attention to the news enough to have heard about the attack on the Cole.

[spinbaby]

17. I don't think Pravda is a serious paper anymore

They've gone distinctly tabloid with their stories of aliens, UFOs, miracles, etc. Check out some of the stories in the boxes to the right of this page.

[stavka]

25. ...I'm canceling my subscription immediately

[peacetalksforall]

23. In lieu of a sovereign nation.