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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 06:29 PM
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Porter Goss...Friend or Foe?
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 06:33 PM by shraby
The intent of this thread is to examine the history of Porter Goss and determine if he is the wrong man for the job. Actually, we know he is, but can we prove it? Google away and see what you can find.

Kick this!! :kick: :kick: :kick:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 06:52 PM
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1. THE BUSH FAMILY, FLORIDA, and the AMERICAN CIA
The former head of America's secret political police has three of his sons and their cronies, in and out of state and federal government,in various covert and reputed fraudulent enterprises. Family patriarch, George Herbert Walker Bush, has a lot to answer for, which the oil-soaked monopoly press never seems to question. The elder Bush, as we have demonstrated, together with three of his sons, George W., Jeb, and Neil, have 25 super secret bank accounts worldwide,through which they have laundered tens of BILLIONS of dollars of illicit funds from the dope traffic, from weapons smuggling, and clandestine and illegal gold smuggling overseas. The commissar of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, we prefer to label him Redspan, through his secret authorization codes, arranged the clandestine wire transfers for the Bush Family.

The major news networks have not publicized what they already know and have corroborated about the Bush Family and their cronies. One of the most active of the family has been Jeb Bush, at the time of this posting, Governor of Florida. He and his two brothers, and their cronies, have reportedly committed a series of real estate frauds, bank swindles, and other reputed massive rip-offs, for which they should have been prosecuted and imprisoned, and which have caused the taxpayers and innocent parties billions and billions of dollars. A list of their reputed fraudulent enterprises includes but is not limited to the following :

===Marco Island Securities

===Cosmos Development Group

===Destin Country Club Development (Destin, Florida)

===Harken Energy (Bahrain oil development and financial laundry)

===Swissco Management Group

===American Bank and Trust of Pensacola, Florida

===Orange State Bank of Miami, Florida

===Cadillac Development Group, Miami, Florida

Jointly with his father and the American CIA, Jeb Bush used these enterprises as a reputed massive money laundry for illicit funds, including funds for bloody dirty tricks of the spy agency, such as overthrowing foreign governments deemed unworthy or unfriendly to the spy shop and, on occasion, assassinating foreign leaders. Reportedly participating in these schemes has been Porter J. Goss, more recently a Congressman (R., Florida), and previously a covert operations officer of the American CIA. Also interwoven with these fraudulent enterprises has been Henry Hyde, Congressman from Chicago suburbs. In violation of the U.S. Constitution's mandate of Separation of Powers, Hyde is also head of the CIA's "black budget" using the dope trafficking proceeds to finance dirty tricks. Hyde was supervising authority of the Mena, Arkansas airport dope trafficking for CIA, jointly with George Herbert Walker Bush, Ollie North, and William Rockefeller Clinton. Hyde has reportedly assisted the Bush family in laundering illicit funds through the Paradise Island (Bahamas) gambling casino.

Goss, a Congressman from Florida's 14th Congressional District, has been Chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, that in secret sessions, supervisers the American CIA and their murderous dirty tricks. The Majority Staff Director of the Select Committee, John Millis, was murdered, and typical of an intelligence "hit", was disguised as an alleged "suicide". Just prior to being murdered, disgruntled for various reasons, Millis arranged to leak to a certain outspoken independent minded journalist, lists of CIA proprietary firms, used to disguise CIA dirty tricks. The lists with accompanying details criminally implicates George Herbert Walker Bush and his three sons, Jeb, George W., and Neil, and their cronies in Florida State government. Some of these CIA adjuncts, privatized for "cover", have been owned, in turn, by Caribbean and European tax havens, where local laws guarantee absolute secrecy, and where financial enterprises and "shell companies" launder the illicit proceeds from the dope traffic, weapons smuggling, gold covert traffic, and the sale of nuclear bomb triggers.

(more)
<http://www.skolnicksreport.com/bushflo.html>

I don't know how reliable this site is, but there are names to google in the article.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:17 PM
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2. whoa Shraby, you don't start anything in a small way ...

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:34 PM
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3. Wanna kick this?
My kick don't work
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:39 PM
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4. Article by Ray McGovern "Porter Goss: Cheney Cat's Paw"
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/mcgovern.php?articleid=2944
July 7, 2004
Porter Goss: Cheney Cat's Paw
by Ray McGovern

There is, thankfully, a remnant of CIA professionals who still put objective analysis above political correctness and career advancement. Just when they thought there were no indignities left for them to suffer, they are shuddering again at press reports that Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) may soon be their new boss.

That possibility conjures up a painful flashback for those of us who served as CIA analysts when Richard Nixon was president. Chalk it up to our naiveté, but we were taken aback when swashbuckling James Schlesinger, who followed Richard Helms as CIA director, announced on arrival, "I am here to see that you guys don't screw Richard Nixon!" To underscore his point, Schlesinger told us he would be reporting directly to White House political adviser Bob Haldeman (Nixon's Karl Rove) and not to National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger.

No doubt Goss would be more discreet in showing his hand, but his appointment as director would be the ultimate in politicization. He has long shown himself to be under the spell of Vice President Dick Cheney, and would likely report primarily to him and to White House political adviser Karl Rove rather than to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

Goss would almost certainly follow lame-duck director George Tenet's practice of reading to the president in the morning and become an integral part of the "White House team." The team-membership phenomenon is particularly disquieting.

-snip-
much more
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:43 PM
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5. "Worst appointment that's ever been made" Stansfield Turner - fmr dir. CIA
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=485
U.S. Domestic : Bush to name Porter Goss (ISI-link) as CIA chief

Update (08/10) : "This is the worst appointment that's ever been made to the office of director of central intelligence because that's an office that needs to be kept above partisan politics." -- Retired Adm., Stansfield Turner, director of the CIA in the Carter administration.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:46 PM
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6. Link to earlier Porter Goss thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=739904

This includes material about his meeting with General Mahmoud Ahmed, head of Pakistan's ISI and al-Qaeda paymaster, on the morning of 9/11,
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO407A.html
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essaysaeed.html

to Ray McGovern's description of him as Cheney's cats paw,
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_070304A.shtml

and to his long list of donations to fellow-Republicans.
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=Goss&first=Porter
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:54 PM
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7. Goss says CIA leak not worthy of committee action, but the blue dress was
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2003310030460

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Porter Goss said Thursday that the uproar over allegations that White House officials purposely identified a covert CIA agent appears largely political and doesn't yet merit an investigation by the House Select Committee on Intelligence, which he chairs.

-snip-

"Somebody sends me a blue dress and some DNA, I'll have an investigation," Goss said. He was referring to the infamous blue dress in the Monica Lewinsky scandal that led to impeachment proceedings against former President Clinton.

"I am not going to suggest there be any kind of independent counsel until it even rises to the level of coming to our committee's attention, which it hasn't risen to yet," Goss said.

Goss said no one from the intelligence community had contacted him formally or informally. To date, he said, his knowledge of the situation has come from the news media, where leaks of classified information are so routine that his committee would not act on them unless the intelligence services take them seriously.




More....

Sorry, I don't have time to post snippets from these right now... maybe later or maybe someone else can do it.

Links:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20040810/pl_nm/bush_cia_dc

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=327

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040812/us_nm/bush_cia_moore_dc_7

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=32






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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:57 PM
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8. Even Repub. Sen. Roberts siad Goss would be though to be too political
This was BEFORE the White House chose him....

http://www.hillnews.com/news/071404/roberts.aspx
Rep. Goss has no chance of heading CIA: Roberts
By Alexander Bolton

Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, yesterday dismissed the chances of Rep. Porter Goss’s (R-Fla.) becoming director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

-snip-

Goss’s candidacy has foundered because of opposition from Senate and House Democrats who believe he is too partisan to run the CIA. The agency is at the center of the political battle over whether the invasion of Iraq was justified.

“Porter Goss? That trial balloon went up, and Sen. Rockefeller got out his BB gun and popped it out of the sky,” said Roberts in a wide-ranging interview in his Hart Building office, referring to his committee’s ranking member.

“We do not want a partisan fight right before the election,”......
“The door’s wide open; that’s their pick,” Roberts said, referring to the Bush administration. “My only message to the White House is if they do this, make it an extraordinary person that will get bipartisan support. My criterion for it is that the intelligence director should be someone who has a lot of information-management experience because that’s what it’s all about.”

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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:05 PM
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9. Democrats likely to use the Goss hearings to question Bush's committment

Which is hopefully why the Dems are going along with this for now....


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/10/Goss.nominated/
Several Democrats are likely to use the Goss confirmation hearings as a vehicle to question the president's commitment to intelligence reform.

-snip-

Other Democrats worry that Goss might be too political to run the CIA.

They pointedly note the president made the announcement on the day he began a campaign swing through Goss' home state of Florida -- a key battleground in this election.

Former CIA director Stansfield Turner, who served under President Jimmy Carter, told the Associated Press that Goss' selection marked "a bad day for the CIA," charging he was chosen "to help George Bush win votes in Florida."
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:05 PM
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10. More Porter Goss charges at this site
I don't know what the site is -- maybe libertarian, by the look of it. It has a list of questionable points about Goss, followed by extensive quotations from various sources.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=8271

"Examining the history of Porter Goss makes me wonder 'Just how many politicians are on the CIA payroll?' (How did he manage to accumulate $53 million on his salary?) ... According to Al Martin, in 1983 Goss was involved in Iran-Contra profiteering with Jeb and Neil Bush's Destin Country Club development fraud - a fraud out of which he made about $3 million illegally. He then became involved with Carlos Cardoen and Swissco Management, and the fraud that Swissco Management committed, not only in Florida, but throughout the United States, in those so-called illicit 'tax-swap deals,' which Senator Bob Graham of Florida also profited in."

"He believes in 'political assassinations,' exemplified by Operation Phoenix which killed thousands in Vietnam, and the Death squads so pervasive amongst US-trained military juntas installed in Central and Latin America."

"Who was behind Patriot I and Patriot II? Porter Goss… The chosen protégé of Senator Bob Graham who shares the same agenda. Goss also spearheaded the Congressional Oath of Secrecy Proposal in 1987."

"He initially opposed an Inquiry into 9/11, until he thought it had a chance of averting a real commission. According to Sen. Richard Shelby<8>, his threats to expose the Inquiry as a sham and throw his weight into the support of an outside Commission drove Graham and Goss to expand the narrow perimeters of the initial Inquiry."


I don't consider Al Martin (or Sherman Skolnick) reliable sources -- they've made too many claims that no one else seems to confirm. But even aside from their more extreme charges, there's plenty of dubious associations for this guy.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:12 PM
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11. I've been trying to verify some
of the claims by Skolnick. So far no luck. In fact, I'm having trouble finding anything old about Goss, like the web's been scrubbed.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:19 PM
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12. Putting the Fox in the Henhouse
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 08:21 PM by Pallas180

President George Bush nominated Porter Goss, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

Before confirmation, Congress should ask Porter Goss more than a few questions at his upcoming CIA chief hearings.

1) Porter Goss, former CIA agent began the fateful day, Sept. 11,. having a second meeting within a two week period with the Chief of Pakistan's ISI and the money man who ordered $100,000 sent to Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers.

- Would a man who was so dense he was unaware of the surreptitious and deadly actions of his breakfast guest, who displayed such bad judgment, be a reasonable candidate to be named Director of the CIA ?

2) Would Porter Goss press for the prosecution of the person(s) responsible for leaking a CIA undercover agent to the press?

- It is doubtful he would, after reportedly brushing off the incident and the investigation of the leak as not as important as finding "a blue dress"

3) Mohammed Atta and his hijacking colleagues took flying lessons in former CIA Porter Goss' congressional district, as a matter of fact in Porter Goss' "backyard".

- Are we to believe that former CIA agent Goss was unaware of a group of Arab men taking flying lessons at his local airport ?

4) 23 helicopters disappeared from one airport in Porter Goss's congressional district. The same airport has long been known to have been used for import -export of drugs and arms.

Are we to believe that a former CIA agent would not know of these disappearances in his own congressional district and would not ask the local sherriff, troopers, or FBI to look into the matter?



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:27 PM
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13. Some Porter Goss back to 1995 -
<1> http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/showandtell_bios.asp?action=form&recordID=1086 Republican Main Street Partnership, Porter Goss profile

<2> http://www.lazarusunbound.com/bunker_romelandsecurity.html the bunker mentality Romeland Security and Political Assassinations, by Michael Bunker

<3> http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1995_cr/h951219-intell.htm- TIMELY INTELLIGENCE: IMPORTANT AS EVER IN THE POST-COLD-WAR ERA -- HON. HENRY J. HYDE (Extension of Remarks - December 19, 1995)

<4> http://www.almartinraw.com/

<5> http://www.deceptiondollar.com/news/WGTarpleyArticle.htm Rogue Bush Backers Prepare Super 9/11 False Flag Terror Attacks, Webster Griffin Tarpley, June 6, 2004

<6} http://www.americaprepared.org/who.html[br />
<7> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36091-2002May17¬Found=true, A Cloak But No Dagger- An Ex-Spy Says He Seeks Solutions, Not Scapegoats for 9/11, By Richard Leiby, Washington Post Staff Writer, Saturday, May 18, 2002; Page C01

<8> http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/27/Worldandnation/Shelby_s_doubts_drove.shtml Shelby’s Doubts Drove Inquiry, Mary Jacoby, Times Staff Writer, St. Petersburg Times, October 27, 2002

<9> http://911independentcommission.org/ Family Steering Committee



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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:40 PM
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14. Your lazarusunbound link
doesn't work. I get a page not found.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:41 PM
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27. Schraby, really ? you couldn't get into page? maybe
this is why:


"The attorney general, our erstwhile Deputy ReichsFuehrer Johan Ashcroft, is using Section 432 to shut down websites and to block public access in public computer terminals like libraries and universities to websites, since he can do so without any judicial notification. "

"There is nothing that a citizen-owner of a website or an individual citizen can do. In the post-Patriot I environment, the only right of appeal a citizen holder or owner of a website being blocked under Statute 432 is to have his or her attorney file a petition challenging the attorney general’s action before the News Supreme National Security Court, not the existing National Security Court, but the newly created, Supreme National Security Court, which is directly controlled by the President."

"There have been numerous instances of websites being shut down through the office of the attorney general using this statute. As I understand it, there are hundreds of websites being blocked, but not necessarily shut down, which is a more cumbersome electronic procedure. Now they don’t have to shut it down; all they have to do is block it. It’s the same effect. From the point of view of the Office of State Cyber Security, it is obviously much easier to block access than it is actually to shut down a website. "


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:42 PM
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15. Porter Goss, Deadly Connections
http://www.communitycurrency.org/Prime.html

Prime Suspect of the Largest Mass Murder in U.S. Nominated to Head C.I.A.

by Carol Brouillet, Fourth of July, 2004


-snip-
We are indebted to Michel Chossudovsky, a Canadian researcher, author, professor, for first drawing attention to “the Big Lies surrounding the events of 9/11- including the role of Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Pakistan’s ISI, the CIA, top U.S. Government Officials" (see-Chossudovsky's latest article). Chossudovsky’s research and articles inspired me to organize a march/delegation to demand a Congressional Investigation of 9/11 in January 2002. That is when Bush and Cheney asked Daschle to limit the investigations and have them overseen by the C.I.A., and the very men who we thought should be investigated for their own role in 9/11- Congressman Porter Goss and Senator Bob Graham. The Senate/House Joint Intelligence Oversight Committee which Goss and Graham headed oversaw the "official Inquiry into 9/11" whose mandate was to reinforce the 19 fanatic hijackers narrative and the myth that 9/11 was the result of an intelligence failure, to justify the construction of Homeland Security and the Global Security State.


Once C.I.A.- Always C.I.A.

Examining the history of Porter Goss makes me wonder “Just how many politicians are on the C.I.A. payroll? (How did he manage to accumulate $53 million on his salary?) Did Goss actually use his dark C.I.A. past or connections to win elections? How many people would knowingly vote for a C.I.A. operative who had a hand in dirty tricks in Haiti, Santo Domingo, and Western Europe, who first worked for Army Intelligence? Looking at his pro-Bush, pro-Cheney record and his advocacy in Haiti, South America<1> and his work towards increasing the budget/power of the C.I.A.- especially the elevation of the Director to a cabinet post to become an Intelligence Czar with control over a $40,000,000 budget, concerns me. He believes in “political assassinations,”<2> exemplified by Operation Phoenix which killed thousands in Vietnam, and the Death squads so pervasive amongst U.S. trained military juntas installed in Central and Latin America. Goss also spearheaded the Congressional Oath of Secrecy Proposal in 1987.<3> He was aware that the U.S. had procured Global Hawk technologies (unmanned aircraft flown remotely) by April, 2000, according to the General Accounting Office.

-snip-

"You could compare it to the crime family where the soldier rises from the street to become the capo, which has taken the hits over the years for his superiors in the organization," Martin continues. "Of course, unlike an organized crime family, the difference between the Bushonian Cabal and your average, run-of-the-mill organized crime family is that the Cabal controls, not only the entire nation, but influences policy throughout the planet. They are above all laws and impervious to any action.” <4>

-snip-



According to the Washington Post staff writer, Richard Leiby,<7> Goss grew up in Waterbury, Conn. and wasn't working class. He attended Hotchkiss prep school and Yale, where he joined the Army ROTC. He trained as a military intelligence officer after graduation, and by 1962 he was working at the CIA. A health crisis precipitated a career change from a clandestine field agent in Western Europe to a weekly newspaper publisher working with a bunch of “ex-spooks.” Graham crossed party lines to push him into “public service” which quickly elevated him into Congress and to chair the powerful House Intelligence Oversight Committee.

He initially opposed an Inquiry into 9/11, until he thought it had a chance of averting a real commission. According to Sen. Richard Shelby<8>, his threats to expose the Inquiry as a sham and throw his weight into the support of an outside Commission drove Graham and Goss to expand the narrow perimeters of the initial Inquiry. When the Inquiry failed to contain the victims' families outrage, the official Commission came into play; now the families are denouncing the Commission as a “Cover-Up Commission” rife with conflicts of interest that has failed utterly to address key questions raised by the victims' families.<9> (Noting the failure of the official investigations to even look for the truth about 9/11, we organized The San Francisco International Inquiry into 9/11, Phase One in March 2004.)
-snip-
Presidents come and go, but the consolidation of military and corporate power march on relentlessly serving the necrophiliac elite who believe that if they can’t own or control something; they have the right to kill it. Put a halt to the utter criminalization of the state, by casting the spotlight on Bush, the Cover-Up Commission, and the proposed “Intelligence Czar”- Porter Goss. Outrage over Porter Goss's nomination would be a good place to start.





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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:59 PM
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16. Porter Goss
we know that Goss was involved with the sleaziest of the sleaze
but that's nothing new for this administration since they harbor
Admiral Poindexter and Elliott Abrams in sensitive posititons.

A google of Oliver North + Porter Goss

and Porter Goss + Iran-Contra

should prove rewarding.

But especially interesting would be the fact that Porter Goss was
around a the time of the 1963 assassination of JFK.

A picture exists of Porter Goss sitting at a table with Lee Harvey Oswald - they were both slight of build at the time, and some resemblance could even be made.

Porter Goss + Bay of Pigs might even be interesting.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:00 PM
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17. Right Wing Watch
Voting record of Porter Goss



Rep. Porter Goss of Florida - 19
What do the symbols mean?


(****) Wants to weaken cryptographic products with back doors for government surveillance.

(****) Voted against background checks at gun shows.

(****) Voted in favor of using force against Iraq. (MoveOn, 10.12.02)

(***) Asked Congress to give companies a 15% tax break for writing computer code the government could secretly hack into.

(***) Opposes U.S. firms shipping encryption products overseas.

(**) Voted against barring $2 million in compensation for gun importers.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:04 PM
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18. Hearings on CIA’s Inspector General’s Report on CIA Drug Trafficking
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 09:05 PM by starroute
http://www.wethepeople.la/levine1.htm

Michael Levine & Laura Kavanau-Levine
THE EXPERT WITNESS radio show
March 24, 1998

As an ex DEA agent I found the complete lack of coverage by mainstream media of what I saw last night during the congressional hearings into CIA Drug Trafficking, on CNN both depressing and frightening. I sat gape-mouthed as I heard the CIA Inspector General, testify that there has existed a secret agreement between CIA and the Justice Department, wherein "during the years 1982 to 1995, CIA did not have to report the drug trafficking its assets did to the Justice Department."

<snip>

If anyone watched the CNN show you cannot have helped but notice the snickering on the part of Congressional chairman Porter Goss (an ex CIA officer), as congresswoman Maxine Waters spoke. Now here's the reason why: Sources of mine, who speak to me from inside this veil of secrecy out of conscience and because I am cheaper and more reliable than a psychiatrist, have already told me the following:

1. There is secret communication between CIA and members of the Congressional staff-one must keep in mind that Porter Goss, the chairman, is an ex CIA official- indicating that the whole hearing is just a smoke and mirror show so that the American people-particularly the Black community- can "blow off some steam" without doing any damage to CIA. The CIA has been assured that nothing real will be done, other than some embarrassing questions being asked.

2. That the hearings will result in the CIA receiving even a larger budget than the current $26 billion that they admit to. One of the most distressing things for me, a 25 year veteran of this business, to listen to was when Congresswoman Waters said that the hearings were not about CIA officers being indicted and going to jail. "That is not going to happen," she said. Almost in the same breath she spoke of a recent case in Miami wherein a Venezuelan National Guard general was caught by Customs agents smuggling more than a ton of cocaine into the US. Despite named CIA officers being involved in the plot, as Congresswoman Waters stated, the Justice Department will not tell her anything about the case because of "secrecy laws." No wonder chairman Goss was snickering. She could not have played more neatly into CIA hands than to surrender before the battle was engaged.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:34 PM
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26. Michael Ruppert on those same hearings
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 09:55 PM by starroute
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/witness_list.html

This list of witnesses originally appeared in the February issue of From The Wilderness for subscribers only. It has caused quite a stir and, since the surprise (May, 25) closed door hearings on CIA drug trafficking in Los Angeles in the wake of our May cover story, it is a yardstick against which the coming cover up can be graded. Does the government even care to be credible any more?

<snip>

Volume II of the CIA's Inspector General's report took Congress to the CIA's house. It showed the dead body of its admissions regarding drug trafficking lying bloody in the open doorway. If Congress serves the people it will now enter the house and look around. It will press charges and it will see that criminals are punished for their crimes. It will pass laws designed to make sure that these crimes never happen again.

Use these 143 names as a report card to see what Congress' will really is and who it really serves.

<snip>

J. Porter Goss - Republican Congressman from So. Florida. Chair of the House Intelligence committee (HPSCI) charged with conducting hearings on Volume II. Retired CIA case officer who worked in South Florida with Shackley, Clines and Wilson. (Can you say "Conflict of Interest?")



On edit: See also
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/GNNBushHardDrugEmpire.html
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/GNNBushHardDrugEmpire2.html

Porter Goss's true agenda is revealed by his selection in 1997 of another former CIA officer, John Millis, to be Chief of the HPSCI Staff. In 1997 it was obvious that the HPSCI would be called on to make an objective evaluation of the Gary Webb allegations. However Millis had served for thirteen years as a case officer supplying covert CIA aid to the heroin-trafficking guerrillas in Afghanistan-an analogous and contemporary alliance between the CIA and known drug-traffickers (New York Times, 6/6/00). At least one of the airlines involved in the Afghan support operation, Global International Airways, was also named in connection with the Iran-Contra scandal (Los Angeles Times, 2/20/97).


And further:
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/armitage11,1,00.htm

The latest twist in the media cover-up came during the week of May 12 when a nationally-distributed Associated Press (AP) report announced that the intelligence committee of the U.S. House of Representatives had exonerated the CIA of charges that it had been "involved in the supply or sale of drugs in the Los Angeles area."

The AP quoted committee chairman Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) as saying: "Bottom line: The allegations were false."

What AP did not mention was that Goss had been a former career CIA official involved in the agency's so-called "clandestine services division," the branch of the CIA that has been pinpointed as the prime mover in the agency's long-standing ties to the drug racket.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:32 PM
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37. Shackley, Clines, and Wilson
http://www.bearcave.com/bookrev/backfire.htm

Theodore (Ted) Shackley (the CIA station chief in Laos and Saigon), Thomas Clines and retired general Richard Secord later became shadowy figures in the contra war and there were allegations that they were involved in drug and arms trafficing. Clines and Secord were friends of Edwin O. Wilson, a former CIA employee who was convicted of selling C4 explosive and detonators to Maummar Qaddafi.


http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/neri.html

One of the CIA officials Wilson claims were involved in the Libyan situation was Thomas Clines. Thomas Clines is named in Col. Cutolo's affidavit by Wilson as being in charge of Operation Watch Tower. Thomas Clines was recently named in the Iran-contra affair for his failure to declare monies earned in that affair.


http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt/home.informal/bar/corsair.afdq/contra.cards/22.html

Thomas Gregory Clines first met Richard Secord (see card #19) during the "secret war" in Laos. Clines, as CIA Base Chief in Long Tieng, supervised the creation of a secret army of Hmong tribesmen to fight the communist Pathet Lao forces. The Hmong were traditionally opium growers. With the CIA's help, General Vang Pao, leader of the Hmong army, became a major supplier of opium. Secord's air wing flew tactical raids against the Pathet Lao, which also had the effect of destroying Van Pao's competition. Air America, the CIA's air- line, trasported the opium from Laos to Thailand. The CIA's secret Laotian operations were partially financed by opium profits.

Clines and Secord teamed up again in the Middle East during the mid-1970s. The Pentagon awarded Clines' company, EATSCO, a contract worth over $1 billion, to ship arms to Egypt. According to renegade CIA agent Edwin Wilson, Secord, who had helped to secure the contract, was also a silent partner in EATSCO, as was Theodore Shackley (see card #24). This blatant conflict of interest led to Secord's early retirement from the military. Clines pleaded guilty in 1983 to overcharging the Pentagon $8 million, for which he paid fines of $110,000.


http://www.addictedtowar.com/coverup.htm

Narrator: “Whether there is actually an organized secret team, or simply a loose association of individuals, it is clear that there are a number of people who have been working actively behind the scenes in these covert operations. Some of the names are Theodore Shackley, who was Assistant Deputy Director of Operations for the Central Intelligence Agency as of 1976 under George Bush, who was CIA Director at the time. Thomas Clines, who worked as a case officer under Shackley in Miami and in Laos. General John Singlaub, who worked with Shackley and Clines in Vietnam and was in charge of the CIA’s special operations over the border into Laos. General Richard Secord, who supervised the air operations into Laos and was later assigned to the Pentagon where he was put in charge of arm sales to Iran. Albert Hakim, who was a salesman for the U.S. weapons companies and a middle man in the Iran-Contra Affair.”

Sheehan: “These are the men who have been stirring the pot around the world to instigate these wars on the side of the Right-wing. And that’s the group we are dealing with right here – who’re making war around the world for their own personal profit.”
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:05 PM
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19. FOE.
Blech, porter goss, bush lackie :puke:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #19
48. Find some adverse stuff
cause this will be made into a paper to send far and wide.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:10 PM
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20. Foe...
IMO: Anyone that Bush appoints to a high position is a FOE to the American people. They never have the "PEOPLE'S" interest at heart.

The history of the Bushco* has proven this statement to be a "FACT"!
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:12 PM
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21. Says bombing of abortion clinics not terrorism
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2004_02_01_dneiwert_archive.html

Then again, there is a tradition on the Republican side of resisting the notion that right-wing extremists are real terrorists. Recall, if you will, the remarks of Porter Goss, chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, denying that anti-abortion bombers like Eric Rudolph were terrorists during hearings on the Sept. 11 attacks:

"The trouble is, 'terrorism' is a very broad word, and it lends itself to a lot of mischief for people who would abuse common sense," Goss said. He then cited bombings of abortion clinics. "To me, that's not the kind of terrorism I'm talking about."

"That's criminal law enforcement," Goss said. "But it would fit most broad definitions of terrorism because the purpose is to scare people."


Of course, that happens to fit exactly the legal definition of terrorism, as provided by the FBI:

"{A} violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social goals.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:20 PM
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22. Guardian on his CIA career
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1282009,00.html

Now 65, he is the product of a patrician Connecticut upbringing, graduating from an elite preparatory school and Yale University. He spent two years in the army in military intelligence before joining the CIA in 1962. It was the height of the cold war, and Mr Goss, who speaks Spanish, worked as a clandestine case officer based in the Miami office.

At a time when the CIA was obsessive about the idea of communist infiltration of the trade unions - and undertook to sabotage or destroy so-called front organisations - his beat was the labour movements of central America and, later, Europe. Mr Goss has spoken little about his 10 years in the agency, beyond an aside that he was in the region during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962. "I had some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits," he told reporters recently.

In the early 1970s, he contracted a bacteriological infection that almost killed him. The CIA ordered him into a desk job. It was not what he wanted, and Mr Goss left the agency.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Listed as possible conspirator in the JFK assassination
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKindex.htm

I've linked to this site on a number of occasions and believe them to be solid. Their page on Goss says the following about his early career, which expands somewhat on what I posted above from the Guardian:

Porter Goss was born in Waterbury, Connecticut, on 26th November, 1938. After graduating from Yale University with a degree in Greek classics in 1960 he served in the United States Army. In 1962 Goss joined the Central Intelligence Agency. Over the next few years he was based at the JM/WAVE, the CIA station in Miami where he worked with people such as Ted Shackley, David Sanchez Morales, Edward Lansdale, William Harvey and Tracy Barnes.

After the Bay of Pigs disaster President John F. Kennedy sanctioned what became known as Operation Mongoose. Robert Kennedy took overall control of the operation and Edward Lansdale was appointed project leader and was given the responsibility to "use our available assets to help Cuba overthrow the Communist regime." Goss was one of the 400 CIA officers who was employed on the project.

Goss spoke Spanish and this was very useful as the JM/WAVE station ran 2,200 Cuban agents. Recently, Vince Cannistraro, a CIA agent at JM/WAVE claimed that Goss was involved in paramilitary activity against the Cubans: "I know he was involved in the Bay of Pigs operation, he worked out of Miami with Cuban exiles... and took part in... attempts to overthrow Castro".

As a result of negotiations following the Cuban Missile Crisis, President John F. Kennedy called an end to Operation Mongoose. Over the next few years Goss served in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, and Western Europe. His main area of expertise was the infiltration of trade unions and other organizations of the labour movement.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgoss.htm

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Yup, I seemed to remember he went that far back and
somewhere on here there's a picture of him with Lee Harvey Oswald.

both about the same size and build at the time.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. From an Amazon review of "Conspiracy" by Anthony Summers
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1557782865/102-5556971-9800924?%5Fencoding=UTF8

The author's voluminous research brings together the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle in a lucid and rare way. In a nutshell, the anti-Castro Cuban organizations and their right-wing American supporters , the Mafia , and elements within the CIA and their numerous contract agents were collaborating in an effort to assassinate Fidel Castro and reverse the socialist revolution in Cuba. The Mob wanted their gambling casinos back, while the anti-Castro Cubans and the CIA wanted multi-national corporate capitalism back. In a classic case of "blowback", the forces working to destroy Fidel and the Cuban Revolution failed in their efforts and subsequently conspired to destroy the man they believed responsible for their failure. Elements within the CIA, CIA contract agents, Mob and anti-Castro Cubans had the motive, means and opportunity to effectuate the "blowback" assassination of JFK.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:15 PM
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35. More Kennedy assassination stuff
http://www.memresearch.org/econ/faces/familiar_faces.htm

Several books on the assassination include photographs of a man in black-rimmed eyeglasses, purported to be Mr. Florer. The original identification of this individual as Florer appears to have been made in the pages of the Dallas Times Herald <19>, yet other discussion of that newspaper story indicates that the man in "horn-rimmed glasses" at whom bystanders shouted, "I hope you die," was not identified by name <20>. ... The putative Florer looked like Theodore (Ted) Shackley with his hair dyed. At the time of the assassination, Shackley (AKA the Blond Ghost because of his pallor) was about 35 years old and Station Chief of JM/WAVE in Miami, the headquarters of the CIA's huge Operation Mongoose, the single objective of which was to overthrow the regime of Fidel Castro in Cuba, by assassination if necessary. The vain efforts to kill Castro included collaboration with Mafia bosses.

<snip>

David Sanchez Morales was Ted Shackley's Chief of Operations at the JM/WAVE station <23>. He was a tall (6' 2"), well muscled individual of Mexican-Indian extraction <24> who had been involved in various CIA schemes including the successful coup d'état in Guatemala in 1954 and the abortive Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961. His Operation Mongoose activities included a close relationship with Johnny Rosselli, the link man to Mafia bosses Sam Giancana and Santos Trafficante <25>. Morales worked with Shackley also in Laos <26> and in Vietnam where he was possibly involved in the Phoenix assassinations program <27>. During a drinking bout with friends in the early spring of 1973, Morales was boasting of his exploits -- involvement in the capture of Ché Guevara, etc. -- when the mention of John Kennedy's name sent him into a frenzy. The lengthy invective ended with: "Well, we took care of that son of a bitch, didn't we?" <28>.

A man in dark glasses, in another photograph taken by Mr. Altgens, resembles David Morales. He had mounted the base of a lamppost at the corner of Houston and Main, presumably to obtain a good view of Dealey Plaza as a whole. By comparison with men in front of him and nearer the camera, he appears to have been of large build.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #35
49. connection to Goss?

? ? ?






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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Guardian obit for Goss's CIA associate, Ted Shackley
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,862070,00.html

Theodore Shackley
CIA mastermind of dirty tricks in Cuba, Chile and Vietnam
Wednesday December 18, 2002

For the second time this year, conspiracy theorists have lost one of their favourite CIA targets. Ted Shackley, once in charge of the organisation's clandestine operations, has died at the age of 75. In the international demonology of espionage, he figured second only to General Vernon Walters, America's ubiquitous spy-for-all-seasons (obituary, February 18).

Unlike the affable general, Shackley was far from popular with his colleagues. Though they rated him businesslike and efficient, he was also described as cold and weird. His nickname, the Blond Ghost, carried no overtones of affection, and he eventually left the agency under a cloud in 1979; it remained unclear whether he resigned or was sacked.

<snip>

The details are inevitably shadowy, but he seems to have emerged as an effective, self-promoting organisation man, a dab hand with flow charts and paperwork. Within a decade, he had become station chief in Miami, running one of the CIA's largest operations, focusing mainly on Fidel Castro.

Much of his effort went into sending sabotage teams into Cuba and trying to build a network of local spies. Neither had much impact, but subsequent freelance activities by some of his recruits brought the first rumours of Shackley's involvement in drug trafficking.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:41 PM
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29. Found this on a blog comment page
it is my recollection that porter goss was one of the blond ghost's acolytes. that put him deeply into the firm's narco-trafficking ops. i am certain that porter goss was engaged in opium triangle ops. i also think him to have been involved with southern air transport. and i have this recollection that he somehow became involved in the firm's program to kill the pilatus porter stol aircraft production.

which i think links him inextricably to bush family business.

additionally, if his congressional district includes sanibel island, it may also include naples. this is a florida city where mohammed atta and the owner of his pilot training facility in venice lived. where he and his buddies were flying around, playing around for months prior to 11 September 2001.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=atrios&comment=109226735458330274
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #22
33. Also found this -- not sure what it means
It's from an account of a seminar on intelligence reform held in 1996 in the Dirksen Senate Office Building, apparently in response to a presidential commission study on the matter.

http://www.ciponline.org/seminar.htm

Victor Marchetti spoke to the question of why the CIA did what it did. He said there were political reasons.

He noted that Representative Goss had spoken at a CIA alumni association meeting and had told him to stop whining about the presidential commission report because everything was all right. The representative, Mr. Marchetti said, was a former CIA officer himself. This representative had asked his campaign staff whether there were any people with information that could be used against him. The staff were all also former CIA.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:25 PM
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23. I just want to say this is a great format for a threat
It's a good way to pool resources. We should do this more often. Kudos, Shraby!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. This is off topic, but
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 09:42 PM by shraby
look at the picture in the first link with Bush in it making a hand sign in the last post on the page, then look at the picture almost to the bottom of the page in the second link...the second link takes time to load. Are they similar or am I imagining something that isn't there? The second one is a sign for a facist group.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2247413>

<http://www.artsakhworld.com/Eng/Haji-petros/Oldmistakes.htm>
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. You mean this ?
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 09:59 PM by Pallas180




Making "hand-wolfe"

is a symbolic in-party greeting

of Azerbaijan's "Grey Wolves"

(Bozkurt) neo-fascist militia.








Gee, I guess Cheney used the wrong fingers when he was cheneying
Senator Leahy.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. I dont know. At this point
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 10:01 PM by Pallas180

you could believe anything of this scum.







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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:24 PM
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36. Off Topic - " I have seen this before"
http://www.solomonstemple.com/modules.php?name=AvantGo&file=print&sid=480




"There was a woman who called in on the radio show I did last week and actually cried. She wept on air about what’s happening to America under Bush.

She was an obviously elderly woman who called up. She starts out by talking about the trashing of civil rights and liberties under the U.S. Constitution during the last four years.

She actually started out by saying -- under the Bush-Cheney regime we have seen the trashing of civil rights and liberties of the American people. We have seen books being banned. We have seen inform-on-a-neighbor programs starting. And then she said -- I have seen this all before. She spoke with a heavy European accent. And I said, How have you seen this before? And she said, I’m a survivor of Birkenau. And she started crying.

She said, I’ve been a loyal American. I voted Republican ever since I immigrated here after the war. And she says -- Look at what George Bush and Company has done to this nation.

Then she said -- Those of us who are camp survivors have seen this before.

She said -- This is how it started before. "
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:43 PM
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41. Off Topic but interesting -Echelon was illegal but now Patriot
Act probably doesn't make it illegal

Anyway in 99 Goss was asking questions, prolly wanted to know if
they heard any of his conversations and knew what he was down to.

And some of their keywords came out:

"Originally, when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, R-Fla., approached the NSA with questions about Project Echelon, the super-secret organization hid behind "attorney-client privilege." Goss responded with a hold on the NSA's budget.

Of course, no super computer can process 2 million interceptions an hour. The NSA therefore looks for key words and phrases, including: bomb, militia, gun, explosives and all manner of drug jargon. But other words on the list are related more to domestic issues than international terrorism. Examples are: Oliver North, Vince Foster, Malcolm X, Delta Force, Randy Weaver, Davidian and Whitewater."


you can imagine what they are now.

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/991116-echelon.htm


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:35 PM
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39. How many Dems will vote yea?
Any that do are weasles in my book. This creep, even for a few long months is dangerous to Anmerika. Seems that the rank and file would hate him and not much loyalty would be forthcoming. He would be an even greater lap dog of the Neo Fascists than Tenet was.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 11:47 PM
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44. I did. I did already.















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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:42 PM
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40. It becomes clear that Goss is the quintessential cover-up expert
His early years are murky. He was certainly associated with people who may have been involved in the Kennedy assassination, and some of whom were definitely involved in later drug-trafficking and assassination in Vietnam, in Iran-Contra, and so forth. But he was a young man at the time, not one of the big names, and it may never be possible to prove that he was part of or even aware of what his bosses were doing.

It also isn't possible to prove to what extent he remained involved with the agency after his official retirement.

But what is totally obvious is that he has been implicit in every attempt to squash scrutiny of the CIA in the last decade -- the cocaine trafficking allegations, the presidential commission report, the 911 investigation, and the Plame outing. His entanglement with ISI is also undeniable.

After researching for this thread, I am even more convinced of what I sensed vaguely when Goss's name was first floated a couple of months ago: There are enormous secrets just waiting to come out, things much worse than anything we have seen so far, and Goss's assigned role is to make sure they stay bottled up.

Certainly he has no expertise in anything relating to running a massive government bureaucracy. So what else could his job be?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:47 PM
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42. Starroute, what could be worse than what we've already seen on
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 10:48 PM by Pallas180
Sibel thread???







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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 10:47 PM
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43. Oops sorry -dupe
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 10:50 PM by Pallas180








p://

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:53 AM
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45. Porter Goss Introduces Legislation for CIA to Operate In US
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 12:56 AM by Pallas180
© Copyright 2001-2004: Glen Yeadon The Nazi Hydra in America is copyright protected material. However, readers may freely quote the material for non commercial purposes provided they reference the source. Commercial use is banned.

"Too many people still believe that fascism can't happen here. It is happening here today. The Gestapo is firmly in place in the form of Ashcroft's justice department. The FBI no longer serves to protect the citizens; instead it is being used to protect this regime, by such means as the gagging of Sibel Edmonds, for instance. The FBI is no longer primarily charged with criminal investigation instead its being used to enforce this regime's policies and finally the FBI, other federal law enforcement agencies and the military are illegally spying on anyone opposed to this regime. Moreover, Representative Porter Goss, Bush's choice to head the CIA has introduced legislation that would allow the CIA to conduct operations inside the United States including arbitrary arrests of American citizens."
______________________________________________________________________

http://madiaq.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/8877.php

long article, but very very good

George W. Bush, The Neocons, & The Nazis: Ties That Bind


by glen yeadon Sunday August 22, 2004 at 05:10 AM

There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Nazis. Moreover, the philosophy of the neocons within the Bush administration has already been connected with fascism. However, no article has attempted to present an overview of the fascist connections within the Bush administration.

8/21/04

From the Streets of Little Beirut

By Glen Yeadon

Numerous writers have compared the Bush tactics with those used by Hitler, while others have documented the connection between Prescott Bush and the Nazis. However, there is much more to what has lead the Bush regime to transform the United Stated into a fascist police state. Few people are aware that it is the Republican Party which paid for Nazi broadcasts in the 1930s or that the GOP employed Nazis in election campaigns. Fewer are aware that Herbert Hoover conspired with top Nazi officials in Berlin to unseat Roosevelt in the 1940 election. Others have forgotten that George Bush senior as chairman of the Republican Party set up the ethnic heritage groups of the party as havens for former Nazis or that he employed known Nazi war criminals on his campaign staff.
Moreover, as the New York Republican convention nears convening, it is increasingly obvious that protestors will be dealt with brutally. New weapons such as a sound blaster developed for the military are already in place in New York blurring the lines between the military and civilian affairs. Over fifty protestors are being tightly watch and tailed, their only crime is their opposition to Bush. The Republican governor has suggested that free speech is not a right but a privilege that can be revoke. Additionally there is a massive operation going on in Florida and other states to deny Blacks their right to vote. Finally the Bush administration is using terror alerts to frighten voters and to condition them to the possibility of a canceled election. These and similar tactics are no different than the tactics Hitler's brown shirts employed.

The fascist philosophy underlying the present Bush administration. (See accompanying diagram.) http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushadmin.html

There are numerous connections between the Bush family and the Nazis. Moreover, the philosophy of the neocons within the Bush administration has already been connected with fascism. However, no article has attempted to present an overview of the fascist connections within the Bush administration. This article will begin to outline the fascist connections between the present Bush administration and the Nazis, using a two-prong approach. The philosophical roots of Bush and the neocons can be traced back to one of America's notorious fascist.

Several authors have already noted the link between senior members of the Bush administration and the fascist Leo Strauss. However, exploring further the philosophical roots of Bush administration, we see that this connection leads back to the robber barons and the empire of J.P Morgan. Due to the natural congeniality between the robber barons and the corporate state of fascism, most of America's leading industrialists became America's leading supporters of fascism. They were responsible for bringing Hitler to power and for building Hitler's war machine.

Strauss is nominally portrayed as a Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany. However, Strauss wasn't the hapless Jewish refugee that he is purported to be. Strauss adopted Zionism at the age of 17. There is a close and sinister association between Zionism and the Nazis. Many of the Zionists supported Hitler and the Nazis. In fact, the Nazis concluded a transfer agreement with the Zionists. The Zionists were attempting to limit the choices available for Europe's Jews to two choices: immigrate to Palestine or perish in the Holocaust.

As a student, Strauss began studying the philosophers that provided the basis for fascism: Nietzsche, Heidegger, and Schmitt. He became a devoted lifelong follower of their philosophy. Strauss's philosophy and views became increasingly fascist as his studies progressed. The hallmark of Strauss's philosophy was his belief in totalitarian government. He rejected all principles of natural law and believed in keeping the masses ignorant and in general servitude.

Strauss left Nazi Germany with the warm commendation of the Nazi jurist and philosopher Carl Schmitt. Schmitt was personally responsible, in 1934, for arranging a Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for Strauss, which enabled him to leave Germany, to study first in France and then England. He arrived in the United States from Britain in the fall of 1937. Briefly appointed Research Fellow in the Department of History of Columbia University, he then became a member of the graduate faculty at the New School for Social Research in 1938.

The New School of Social Research was founded in 1919, a year after Willard Straight's death from influenza. Straight had been a partner of J.P. Morgan. He believed that America's security depended upon the British fleet and that it was in the United States own interest to enter the war. At the same time, he saw the war as an opportunity for American bankers and industrialists to make substantial gains internationally at the expense of Britain. Morgan was an anglophile and believed in the entry of the U.S. in the war. In 1915, Straight left the Morgan empire for a position with the American International Corporation, itself affiliated with the National City Bank.

In 1914, Straight and his wife Dorothy (maiden name, Dorothy Payne Whitney) invited Herbert Croly to edit the first edition of the New Republic, a new magazine funded by Straight. During WWI, J.P. Morgan was obsessed with the media and endeavored to control it. Providing backing for the New Republic had a threefold purpose for Morgan. Firstly, it would keep him abreast of the thinking in left-wing circles. He even had an inside man in the communist press. Secondly, Morgan believed a magazine such as the New Republic allowed the left to blow off steam, thus acting as a safety valve. Finally, he also believed it would give him a power of veto on any actions originated by the left, in case they ever went radical.

Funding the New Republic was not the only effort funded by Morgan to gain control of the press. In 1915, he got together 12 leading men within the newspaper business and commissioned them to determine how one could control the national press. They agreed that, to control the national press, all that was needed was to control 25 of the most influential papers. Morgan immediately sent emissaries to purchase the editorial policy of the 25 selected papers. Morgan also used his money to form the American Legion and to craft it into a union busting and redbaiting group of hired thugs that ran amok during the 1919 Red Scare terrorizing and murdering countless union leaders and leftists.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was another Morgan front group aimed at controlling the American people. The CFR evolved out of the Rhodes Roundtable group during WWI. Most of the early members were Morgan employees who had met their English counterparts during the Paris Peace Conference. The CFR was a bridging group between the Morgans and the Rockefellers, and the Rockefellers provided much of the financial support. As the Rockefeller fortune came to outgrow the Morgan fortune, the CFR became more dominated by the Rockefellers. Percy Rockefeller, a Skull and Bones member who served on the board of the Morgan Guaranty Trust further strengthened the bridge between the Morgan and Rockefeller dynasties.

The New Republic certainly fits the blueprint of Morgan's efforts to control the media. Initially, all outside contributions had to be unanimously approved by its editorial board. The New School for Social Research followed in the footsteps of the New Republic. Straight's widow and the wife of another J.P. Morgan partner, Mrs. Thomas Lamont, were instrumental in establishing the New School. Two years later in 1921, Alvin Johnson, the assistant editor of the New Republic was named Director of the New School. Strauss remained at the Morgan-connected New School for Social Research for ten years. In 1948, he accepted a position at the Rockefeller founded University of Chicago.

Not only was Strauss a promoter of fascist ideology, but his entry into the United States and his work there through most of his life was supported financially by two of the most powerful American fascist families. While the dealings of the Rockefeller-owned Standard Oil Company with the Nazis during the war allowed the family the thin pretense that they were not personally involved, other actions by the Rockefeller family confirm their fascist ideology. It was the Rockefeller Foundation that provided funding for much of the Nazi research into eugenics, including the funding for the twin research conducted in the concentration camps by Mengele.

Strauss's connections to the neo-cons within the Bush administration are well known at this point. Numerous other neo-cons serving in the Bush administration or the American Enterprise Organization, who funded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), were students and followers of Strauss. Not only can this be seen in their dictatorial approach but it is also visible in their strong pro-Israeli views. An interesting aspect of Strauss's tenure at the University of Chicago is that it is during his tenure that both David Rockefeller and John Ashcroft received their degrees from the University of Chicago.

The Rockefeller family played a key role not only in funding Strauss but also in destroying the economies of Third World nations. The Rockefellers have used the University of Chicago and their various family foundations to promote an economic policy of ruin. The laissez-faire economics promoted by the Chicago school has failed numerous times in the past and was one of the leading causes of the 1929 stock market crash and resulting Great Depression. Such economic policies only lead to global fascism and corporate rule, which are the prime goal of the Rockefeller family.

This is evident in David Rockefeller's support of free trade agreements, the World Trade Organization and the World Bank. These trade organization and agreements have impoverished much of the Southern Hemisphere with their draconian demands for privatization and cuts in social spending. Moreover, these trade agreements effectively reduce the government's role to that of an enforcer of corporate policies. All of these free trade agreements contain a clause setting up a tribunal comprised of corporations to settle all disputes, including claims against the government. The clause effectively bypasses the court systems in signatory countries. In effect, these clauses confer supreme sovereignty to multinational corporations who answer to no one. Under these clauses, corporations are free to claim environmental laws, labor laws and other laws are harmful to the company and cause it financial loss, which results in massive settlements against the government and in the overturning of needed laws.

One of the chief advocates of these free trade agreements is Dick Cheney, who has promised David Rockefeller that he would deliver a hemisphere trade agreement before the end of the current Bush administration.

Such unconstitutional trade agreements have become commonplace as a result of the Rockefellers' ability to control and direct economic thought in the United States. In essence, the Rockefellers maintain a monopoly on economic theory. To understand how they gained such control brings us back to the 1920s. During the 1920s, two economists rose to prominence: Ludwig von Mises, and Friedrich A. Hayek. Both were helped by Rockefeller money. Von Mises toured the United States in 1926. The tour of American Universities was sponsored by the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Foundation and was greatly successful in promoting the views of the Austrian School of Economics. Hayek tutored personally David Rockefeller in economics.

In 1950, von Hayek was brought to the United States to teach at the University of Chicago. He didn't teach economics, he was actually made a professor on the Committee on Social Thought. This was an exceptionally dangerous position for a man that held the views von Hayek did. In 1945, von Hayek's The Road to Serfdom was published. This poorly written book was an attack on the concept of the nation-state. In it, von Hayek argued that the nation-state was a hindrance to peace, and socialism led to totalitarian systems, which treated their citizens as serfs. In place of the nation-state von Hayek proposed a supra-national authority or world federation consisting of the financial elite.

This elite would then be free to rule the world according to their own interest. In 1947, von Hayek created the Mount Pelerin Society, made up of the financial elite of Europe, as a first step toward his supranational authority. In the years since, the Mount Perlin Society has been influential in creating numerous "conservative" think tanks, which promote free market economic policies for the Establishment. The society has expanded to include the following think tanks: the Heritage Foundation in 1973, the Fraser Institute in 1974, the Manhattan Institute in 1977, and the Pacific Institute for Public Policy Research in 1978.

The influence of the Chicago University on modern economics is unprecedented. Since 1969, most of the Nobel prizes in economics have been awarded to the free traders, despite the spectacular failures of laissez-faire economies.

Economists who dare publish articles opposing the thought of the Chicago University, are quickly ridiculed, their works dismissed, and their careers wrecked. All this is a testimony to the power of the Rockefeller family and its control over economy and free thought.

The connection between the University of Chicago and fascism was renewed in the 1960s under Pinochet in Chile. It was the "boys from Chicago", students of Milton Friedman, who destroyed the economy and reduced the citizens to serfdom in Pinochet's fascist Chile, where dissent was eliminated by right-wing death squads.

According to von Hayek's views, corporations are given the status of sovereign nations while the nation-states are reduced to mere quislings of the corporate state and enforcer of their laws. This is the same agenda as that of the World Trade Organization, the International Monetary fund and the many so-called "free trade agreements." Many of the Bush neocons are further linked with von Hayek by their beliefs in Mandeville. (Von Hayek rejected the idea that man was created in the image of god and traced his philosophical ancestry to the early eighteenth century Satanist, Bernard Mandeville.)

At this point, it becomes clear that the Bush administration's philosophical roots are clearly grounded in fascist ideology and in the fascist dogma of the corporate state. That these roots come from two of America's richest families confirms fascism as a top-down revolution by the elite to maintain their control and power. The fascist roots of the Bush regime are manifested in the operative side of its philosophy, through the Psychological Strategy Board under Nelson Rockefeller. C D Jackson served in the Eisenhower administration; he was in charge of the psychological warfare. Both Bruce and Howell Jackson were part of the PNAC project, the blueprint for the Bush regime.

The operative route: how the fascists manifested themselves. (See accompanying diagram.) http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushadmin.html

A return to the partners of J.P Morgan provides the operative connection between the Bush administration and fascism. Thomas Lamont was a prominent figure in the 1934 fascist plot to remove Roosevelt from office. The plot called for retired Marine General Smedley Butler to lead the force --much of it consisting of American Legionnaires-- to take over the White House. Roosevelt would be given a chance to step down and to cooperate with the plotters. If Roosevelt refused to let the business leaders seize power, then the plotters would kill him.

However, Butler was an honorable man, and he leaked the information concerning the plot to Roosevelt. Roosevelt knew he could not simply dismiss it when it was connected with several leading industrialists and bankers. To foil the plot, Roosevelt leaked information about it to the press. The resulting commotion in the front pages of the country's newspapers undermined any efforts by the plotters to proceed.

Butler described his military career as follows.


"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses…. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."


A third partner of J. P. Morgan, Henry Davison, financed the Yale Aviation Club, of which his son Trubee was a member. Many of the Aviation Club members were also members of the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale. The club gained fame during WWI. Robert Lovett led the unit during the war. Artemus Gates was another member. Trubee was injured in a crash during training and never saw combat.

The most interesting aspect of this group of college aviation buffs is how many of them later served in WWII on the targeting selection committee. Henry Simpson, Secretary of War and a former Bonesman, appointed John McCloy as his Assistant Secretary of War in charge of intelligence. Robert Lovett was appointed Assistant Secretary of War for air. Directly under Lovett was Trubee Davison. Davison held the position of assistant chief of staff at A-1. Artemus Gates served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy for air. James Stillman Rockefeller served with the Airborne Command and Airborne Center as assistant chief of staff.

Clearly the Department of War, and particularly the command for air had an unusually high number of members from the Yale Aviation Unit and the Skull and Bones. Moreover, these individuals all had extensive ties to Wall Street firms, which had a history of doing business with the Nazis. Certainly they were able to influence the target selection in the air campaign against Germany. Lovett was a lifelong advocate of what amounts to terror bombing, the bombing of civilian centers.

The air campaign against Germany left eighty percent of the homes destroyed. Factory production was only reduced by twenty percent. However, much of the reduction in factory production came about not by damage to the factories, but from delays and shortages of parts caused by the disruption of the transportation system from bombing damage. For example, Cologne was a city targeted for massive bombing attacks. While the city lay in ruins, the Ford and I.G. Farben plants escaped all but minor bomb damage. In Berlin, a city that had been reduced to rubble from the bombing campaign, the Allies chose the I.G. Farben building for their headquarters. It had escaped all but minor damage from the bombs.

Robert Lovett and Prescott Bush were both Bonesmen employed by Brown Brothers and Harriman. In fact, many of the top directors and partners of Brown Brothers & Harriman were Bonesmen. It was one of the main firms on Wall Street to have extensive dealings with the Nazis.

The deals with the Nazis were so extensive at Brown Brothers & Harriman that Prescott Bush had 23 firms seized from him for trading with the enemy. Five firms were seized from Bush in 1942, another 18 firms were seized shortly after the war. The 18 firms had been allowed to operate during the war only because seizing them had been judged detrimental to the war effort and their continued operation posed little risk to the Allies.

Before the firms were seized, Prescott Bush hired the Dulles brothers to conceal the Nazi ownership in these firms. Any window of deniability slammed shut the minute Bush hired the Dulles brothers to conceal the Nazi's ownership. This is when it becomes treason by both Bush and the Dulles brothers. It confirms that both parties knew that the continued operation of these companies was in violation of U.S. policy and of the Trading with the Enemy Act. Moreover, it confirms that both parties freely chose to aid the Nazis when the U.S. was at war with Nazi Germany.

The Wall Street law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell employed both John Foster and Allan Dulles. Throughout the 1930s and the early 1940s, the Dulles brothers were busy cloaking Nazi ownership of numerous corporations and their cartel arrangements with I.G. Farben. Not only was their work treasonous in and of itself, it also delayed the production of war materials and munitions.

Aside from his 23 corporations seized for violating the Trading with the Enemy Act, Prescott Bush was a leader in the American eugenic movement. The American eugenic movement was successful in the passage of sterilization laws in many states for anyone judged unfit. These laws served as the basis of the Nuremberg Laws passed by the Nazis. Much of the Nazi eugenic research was funded, even during the war, with money from the Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Foundation. The Harriman's were also large financial backers of the movement.

After the war, John Foster Dulles, with the aid of Rockefeller money, led a world tour of third-world nations stressing the danger of population expansion of nonAryan races. George Bush, Prescott's son, has followed in his father's footsteps in setting up population control in third-world nations through the UN. In his first political race, George Bush campaigned against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and as a member of congress he warned of the danger of too many Black babies. While population control may be a laudable goal, in the hands of the Bush family it becomes another eugenic tool aimed at eliminating nonAryan races.

Moreover, Cold Springs Harbor, the center of eugenic research in the 1920s and 1930s is still operating. It is currently a leader of the human genome project. While the genome project will undoubtedly provide many future medical benefits, Cold Springs remains firmly under the control of the same families involved in the American eugenics movement. Current directors William Gerry and Allen Dulles Jebsen are the grandsons of Harriman and Allan Dulles respectively.

The genome project provides the ideal cover to develop a genome-specific bioweapon, a weapon with the sole purpose of committing genocide on a massive scale. Such a weapon has been described by the PNAC as a politically useful tool. The PNAC is the road map George W. Bush is following as a "War President."

This is not the only link between the Rockefeller Foundation and questionable programs. In 1931, with funding from the Rockefeller Foundation, Dr. Cornelius Rhoads infected human subjects with cancer cells. Rhoads later established the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama. It was named the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he began a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

Following the war, Allan Dulles faced an investigation for treason. While Dulles was crafty enough to escape the charges, one of those aiding him in covering up his crimes was Richard Nixon. While still serving in the navy, Nixon was given some captured documents to review. The contents would have revealed Allan Dulles as a traitor. In exchange for burying the documents Dulles agreed to fund Nixon's first political campaign. Nixon's campaign benefited from large contributions from a large New York bank connected with Brown Brothers and Harriman.

Captured Nazi documents reveal they had a comeback plan. Their plan to regain power after the war revolved around using their friends or other fascist sympathizers in other countries --and particularly in the United States-- to do their bidding while rebuilding Germany. The documents note that, as late as 1944, the Nazis were hoping for a Republican victory in the presidential election because they would get an easier peace. The second part of their plan aimed at provoking a war between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, which would allow the Nazis to retake power in Germany without U.S. intervention.

Politically, Eisenhower had a tin ear, and he was politically naïve. When John Foster Dulles approached him in Europe to run for election in 1948, Eisenhower had no foreign policy concept formulated. He was easily swayed by Dulles' idea of massive nuclear retaliation, which led to the appointment of Dulles as secretary of state. While Eisenhower was no Nazi and expressed his hatred of Nazis and Germans in his letters to his wife, he allowed the American Nazis like the Dulles brothers to gain a great deal of control over his administration. Eisenhower appointed Allan Dulles as CIA Director, and Prescott Bush and John Lovett were Eisenhower's close golfing buddies. Prescott Bush was also the driving force in selecting Richard Nixon as Eisenhower's running mate. Nelson Rockefeller was appointed to head the Psychological Strategy Board. Numerous employees of Sullivan and Cromwell, the two Wall Street firms most involved with the Nazis, held important positions within the administration.

John McCloy and General Draper, both from the former Control Council of Germany, fulfilled important roles in the Eisenhower administration. Nothing was left to chance in the rebirth of the Nazis. In postwar Germany, the three most powerful figures: John McCloy head of the Control Council, Lewis Douglas, the head of the Finance Division of the Control Council and Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, were all brothers-in-law. They all had wed daughters of Fredrick Zinsser, a partner of JP Morgan.

While the American Nazis succeeded in gaining partial control of the Eisenhower administration and were able to stoke the fires of the Cold War, they failed to secure total control. Although these American Nazis managed to dupe the tired old general, they never succeeded in completely tricking him. Even after suffering a debilitating heart attack the old general refused to turn over the reins of power to Nixon, a man he loathed. Before leaving office, Eisenhower realized he had been duped and left us his rather cryptic warning about the military-industrial complex, suggesting the dangers of corporate rule.

Since 1960, Eisenhower's warning has gone largely unheeded. Beginning with the rise of fascism and the elitism within the Reagan administration, the military keeps taking up a bigger portion of the budget, social welfare has been largely eliminated --just as it was eliminated in Nazi Germany. Today, under the regime of George W. Bush, it is clear that the corporations within the military-industrial complex are in control of the country. It allows Dick Cheney to pad his retirement account at Halliburton with millions of dollars of Halliburton overcharges for services not delivered in the Iraq War. Meanwhile, many of the soldiers are sent into combat without body armor.

A recently disclosed top-secret document from the NSC reveals that the NSC staff were instructed to cooperate fully with Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force as it considered the "melding" of two seemingly unrelated areas of policy: "the review of operational policies towards rogue states," such as Iraq, and "actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas fields." The document suggests that Cheney's Energy Task Force was actually a discussion for geostrategic plans for oil, putting the issue of war in the context of the captains of the oil industry sitting down with Cheney and laying grand, global plans. This would confirm Bush's plans for regime change in 60 countries and his support for rebel forces opposing the democratic government of Venezuela as well as the increasing hostility of the Bush administration towards Iran.

Too many people still believe that fascism can't happen here. It is happening here today. The Gestapo is firmly in place in the form of Ashcroft's justice department. The FBI no longer serves to protect the citizens; instead it is being used to protect this regime, by such means as the gagging of Sibel Edmonds, for instance. The FBI is no longer primarily charged with criminal investigation instead its being used to enforce this regime's policies and finally the FBI, other federal law enforcement agencies and the military are illegally spying on anyone opposed to this regime. Moreover, Representative Porter Goss, Bush's choice to head the CIA has introduced legislation that would allow the CIA to conduct operations inside the United States including arbitrary arrests of American citizens.

Ike's military-industrial complex, the PNAC document, the World Trade Organization, free trade agreements, and the George W. Bush regime are all parts of the many-headed Nazi Hydra in America.

If George Bush declares a red alert or martial law or manages to steal another election, will you be one of the first sent to the concentration camps? Will you go quietly like a lamb? Will you allow the Gestapo to haul away your neighbor, your wife, your son or daughter? Will you live next to the crematories with your head in the sand as the Germans did? Or will you oppose the regime and help reestablish the constitutional republic?

The time to decide is now, tomorrow may be too late. The corporate state of fascism has risen from the ashes of 9/11 like a giant phoenix. It will consume all that opposes it. The Fourth Reich has risen. Beware. Your life and freedoms depend on it.

For greater details into these connections and others and complete documentation click the link below to the Nazi Hydra in America.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/nazihydra.html




www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushadmintext.html#top

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 01:30 AM
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47. Off Topic but Genesis of Republican Philosophy
In 1798, Thomas Malthus, an English economist, published a watershed theory on the nature of poverty and the social economic system at play. Malthus concluded that while the population was growing at a geometric rate, the food supply was only increasing at a linear rate. As a result of his theory, he called for population control. Malthus continued that charity promoted generation to generation poverty. Many of those that supported Malthus ignored his complaints of an unjust social economic system and instead embraced the rejection of the value in helping the poor.

The same claim has been the mainstay of the Republican Party ever since the 1980s. Throughout the Great Depression of the 1930s there was no shortage of food, coal, or any of the necessities for a normal living standard for everybody. There wasn’t even a money shortage. In short, the depression was the result of an inequitable distribution of wealth with no means of delivering the food to the hungry other than through private charity soup kitchens that were overwhelmed.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:55 AM
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46. He's a Bush yes-man who wants to spy on us.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:47 PM
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50. Porter Goss in his own words:
Wednesday, August 11, 2004
PORTER GOSS ON HIS QUALIFICATIONS

outtakes from Fahrenheit 9/11:a



INTERVIEWER: ou come from intelligence. This is what you did, this is what you know.

REP. GOSS: Uh, that was, uh, 35 years ago.

INTERVIEWER: Okay.

REP. GOSS: It is true I was in CIA from approximately the late 50’s to approximately the early 70’s. And it's true I was a case officer, clandestine services officer and yes, I do understand the core
mission of the business. I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not
qualified. I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably. And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day, 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.’ Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have.

Let's review: Goss asserts he lacks the language skills, the cultural background, the technical skills – "the things that you need to have" – to even get a job with the CIA, much less lead it.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:50 PM
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51. Goss' bill to allow CIA to operate in America -would've changed Nixon
outcome.

"MICHAEL ISIKOFF AND MARK HOSENBALL, NEWSWEEK - Rep. Porter Goss, President Bush’s nominee to head the CIA, recently introduced legislation that would give the president new authority to direct CIA agents to conduct law-enforcement operations inside the United States—including arresting American citizens. . .

In language that until now has not gotten any public attention, the Goss bill would also redefine the authority of the DCI in such a way as to substantially alter—if not overturn—a 57-year-old ban on the CIA conducting operations inside the United States.
The language contained in the Goss bill has alarmed civil-liberties advocates. It also today prompted one former top CIA official to describe it as a potentially “dramatic” change in the guidelines that have governed U.S. intelligence operations for more than a half century.

“This language on its face would have allowed President Nixon to authorize the CIA to bug the Democratic National Committee headquarters,” Jeffrey H. Smith, who served as general counsel of the CIA between 1995 and 1996, told Newsweek. “I can’t imagine what Porter had in mind.”
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:08 PM
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52. good thread
this guy can really damage the Bush team's credibility! I can't wait till the Dems go to town on this guy!

Kick!
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:09 PM
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53. He's pro-enviroment (nt).
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 06:38 PM
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54. The person who becomes the head of ALL intel agencies is
in a position to have more power than any of the branches of govt.

and easily become THE dictator.

Choice of person in that position would be critical.

Does anyone really want Goss, expert at covering up for his masters,
field officer in black bag operations, millionaire from what?,
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 06:45 PM
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55. Wanna call up your CongressCritter & tell em what you think of choice?
Here's the #'s

Capital Switch Board
(800) 839 5276



People:

Hillary Clinton
NY office (212) 688 6262
WA office (202) 224 4451


Nancy Pelosi
CA office (415) 556 4862
WA office (202) 225 4065
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 02:42 AM
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56. Maybe RP will make a paper
with this info we can send far and wide. He gets back tomorrow.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 03:09 PM
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57. How come this is dropping like
a stone? I had to go back 5 pages to find it.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 06:24 PM
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58. gonna bookmark
:hi:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 06:26 PM
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59. Picture of Porter Goss with the mob and Bobby Seal,doper ?
"Guido, meet the General. General, meet Guido."

The Mexico City nightclub photo reveals a mixed group of apparent Cuban exiles, Italian wise guys, and square-jawed military intelligence types. It was discovered among keepsakes kept in the safe of the widow of CIA pilot and drug smuggler Barry Seal (third from left). It appears on the cover of “Barry & ‘the boys:’ The CIA, the Mob & America’s Secret History” (MadCow Press, Eugene OR. 2001).

Goss appears second on the left. He is seated between notorious CIA pilot and drug smuggler Barry Seal (third left) and the equally-notorious CIA assassin Felix Rodriguez (front left), a Cuban vice cop under the corrupt Mob-run Batista regime who later became an Iran Contra operative and a confidant of the first George Bush.


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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 01:50 AM
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60. Where did you find the pic?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:27 AM
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62. Is the guy covering up his face second in on right, Mel Martinez who

dimson is endorsing for office?

Here's more info on him? and another picture.




UnAnswered Questions for Mel Martinez

As a Republican Candidate for Senate in 2004 you will need to convince Florida voters that you are fiscally responsible and can be trusted to represent them and their families. The following questions are intended to help illuminate your performance by "following the money trail" through key areas of your personal responsibility:



As Cabinet Secretary & Spokesperson for the Bush Administration (2001-2003)
How many US jobs & small businesses have been lost since you joined the Bush Cabinet, and who has made money moving those jobs offshore while moving immigration in?


Links on Deterioration of US Economy:

The Unsustainable Nation, by Chris Sanders of SRA in London
The Illiquid Economy, by Chris Sanders
A Failure of Imagination, by Chris Sanders
Dictate, Dependence and Deficits, by Chris Sanders
The American Imperial Dollar, by Chris Sanders
Made in China - Election 2004, by Chris Sanders
When in Doubt, Blow a Bigger Bubble, by Chris Sanders
Nasty Economics, by Chris Sanders
http://www.gata.org re: Manipulation of the Gold Market
Links on US Immigration Policy:

Cheap Labor at America's Expense
The Chilling Truth Behind the Demise of the American Software Industry
The Story of Edgewood Technology Services- or How I Lost $100Million Discovering Who Makes Money Making Sure the Solari Index Does Not Go Up (Parts I-III), by Catherine Austin Fits



http://whereisthemoney.org/hotseat/mel/bushcabinet.htm
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:38 PM
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63. hmmmm.
I'll have to try to find wherever I found it, but there's another
pic below.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:17 PM
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71. gosh schraby, I
dont remember...but they're all over the Goss threads now.

Someone says its Frank Sturgis not Martinez
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 01:57 AM
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61. goober goss is mobbed up n/t
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:07 PM
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64. JSJ Meaning?
if you have a link to something we can use against having
Goss in a position to become chief of the SS in America...
hey link it here.
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:43 PM
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67. part of joint cia/mob assassination team
http://www.madcowprod.com/



"President George W Bush's nominee to head the nation's flagship intelligence agency also appears to be visible in a photograph taken in 1963 in a Mexico City nightclub of members of the CIA’s secret assassination squad known as “Operation Forty.'

According to numerous news accounts, the CIA recruited Goss during his junior year at Yale, where he completed his bachelor's degree in ancient Greek in 1960. "During his junior year, he met a CIA recruiter through his ROTC commanders,” reported the September 24, 2002 Orlando Sentinel, in a story headlined “TERRORISM FIGHT KEEPS REP. GOSS IN POLITICAL FRAY.”

'It is true I was in CIA from approximately the late 50's to approximately the early 70's,” Goss told recent antagonist Michael Moore'.

'Goss appears second on the left. He is seated between notorious CIA pilot and drug smuggler Barry Seal (third left) and the equally-notorious CIA assassin Felix Rodriguez (front left), a Cuban vice cop under the corrupt Mob-run Batista regime who later became an Iran Contra operative and a confidant of the first George Bush".

When I posted the mobbed up charge, I was referring mainly to Goss's relationship to the Bush family, which has ties through Poppy to the CIA, which in turn has had a long and inglorious connection to organized crime. Now, it appears there may be a direct link between Goss and the 'Outfit'. But, between the famed omerta of the Mafia and operatives in the CIA and elsewhere in government, it's probably safe to say that time may never tell.-SJ
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:42 AM
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69. looks like i was a little late- oy vey n/t
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:52 PM
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68. I agree with you on this one ...
...

John Kerry shouldn't be playing politics and endorsing the 9/11 commission for the sake of being agreeable. This is a SERIOUSLY warped recomendation and possibly the only reason the Busheviks consented to the comittee in the first place.

What we REALLY need is a producer/consumer model of intelligence. Intelligence producer gatherers would be restricted to collecting in their area. Intelligence consumers/analysts could order information from different services.

This eliminates the "stovepipe" problem without creating an uber mega-intelligence big brother intelligence overlord.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:36 PM
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65. Real Interesting: CIA NOMINEE IN PIC OF AGENCY'S 60'S ASSASSINATION SQUAD
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0408/S00254.htm

CIA NOMINEE IN PIC OF AGENCY'S 60'S ASSASSINATION SQUAD

Was Bush Spy Pick on Agency Hit Team?

Look out kid, They keep it all hid.”
- Bob Dylan “Subterranean Homesick Blues"

Aug 24 2004 -- Venice, FL
by Daniel Hopsicker
A MadCowMorningNews World Exclusive!
From: http://www.madcowprod.com




THE MAN PICKED by President George W Bush to head America’s Central Intelligence Agency is even more of an intelligence insider than has so far been revealed...

The MadCow Morning News has learned that House Intelligence Committee Chairman Republican Porter J Goss of Sanibel Island Florida is a previously undisclosed member of the secret society “Book & Snake” at Yale.

President George W Bush's nominee to head the nation's flagship intelligence agency also appears to be visible in a photograph taken in 1963 in a Mexico City nightclub of members of the CIA’s secret assassination squad known as “Operation Forty."

The twin discoveries come as news reports indicate that Democrats have decided not to make a serious issue of Goss’s appointment. The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee went so far as to warn fellow Democrats Sunday against trying to block the nomination.

“Democrats should ask tough questions of Goss at Senate confirmation hearings next month, but my view is this is the wrong fight," Rep. Jane Harman, D-CA., said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 05:28 PM
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73. Isn't that funny- he turns his head away...thinking of the future huh Goss


ai yi yi, chihuahua, this lil yappy doggy follows me wher'er I go.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:39 PM
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66. Michel Chossudovsky : CIA Nominee's Dubious Links To The Terror Network
CIA Nominee's Dubious Links To The Terror Network
Tuesday, 6 July 2004, 12:11 pm
Opinion: Michel Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca
Centre for Research on Globalisation
Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation
GLOBAL RESEARCH (CANADA) FEATURE ARTICLE


White House Nominee to Head the CIA
has Dubious Links to the Terror Network
by Michel Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca 3 July 2004

To read the complete article click:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO407A.html

Following George Tenet's resignation as Director of Central Intelligence at the CIA, the Bush administration immediately pointed to Rep. Porter Goss, as its handpicked nominee.

Porter Goss, a Florida Republican and former CIA spy, is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He also chaired, together with Senator Bob Graham, the Joint Senate House Committee, on the September 11 attacks.

According to the White House, "the rush to name a replacement" was driven by "worries" of a possible terrorist attack on America in the wake of Tenet's untimely departure.

Yet if the real objective is to to make "America safer", why then did President Bush nominate an individual who is known and acknowledged to have dubious links to the Islamic terror network?


*****

INCLUDING...

Amply documented, Porter Goss had a close personal relationship to the Head of Pakistan Military Intelligence (ISI), General Mahmoud Ahmad, who according to the Washington Post "ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban" (Washington Post, 18 May 2002). According to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the ISI has over the years supported a number of Islamic terrorist organizations, while maintaining close links to the CIA. (See Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) at http://www.cfrterrorism.org/coalition/pakistan2.html ).

Moreover, according to intelligence sources and the FBI, General Mahmoud Ahmad played an undercover role in channeling financial support to the 9/11 hijackers.

Yet this same individual, General Ahmad, was on an official visit to Washington from the 4th to the 13th of September 2001, meeting his counterpart George Tenet as well as key members of the administration and the US Congress including Rep Porter Goss.

In late August 2001, barely a couple of weeks before September 11, Representative Porter Goss together with Senator Bob Graham and Senator Jon Kyl were on a top level intelligence mission in Islamabad, which was barely mentioned by the US media.

Meetings were held with President Pervez Musharraf and with Pakistan's military and intelligence brass including the head of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) General Mahmoud Ahmad.

The ISI headed by General Ahmad was allegedly also involved in ordering the assassination of the leader of the northern Alliance, General Shah Massood. ( http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO309B.html ).

And at the time of the assassination of Shah Massood (9/9, two days before 9/11), General Ahmad was on an "red carpet" official visit to Washington. (4-13 September 2004)


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:32 PM
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70. Thanks ALTHECAT - this is an important link and paragraph
I think it would be wise to send it to the democrats on the
"selection" committee and Jane Harmon and the rest....exactly as
written.

Skinner has put up addresses on the home page of media and congress.

Better yet, if anybody is near the rep of their county/state, take
Althecat's post printed out and a printed out picture of Goss and
the mob squad right over to your reps office and tell em this is
not the scum that even belongs in govt. much less in a position to
further and cover up illegal activities of this government.

Puhleeeezz...do it.

Personal visit. They'll be impressed. Even if you just get and aide
in the local office and make him/her read it.....it'll get to the boss.

What do you think?
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:34 PM
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72. Easy
He's a foe - former pub congresscritter.
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