New - Video producer has film of bodies from Hurricane Charley

[Dems Will Win]

Just in from a very reliable source - more on the rumored cover-up of the Hurricane Charley death toll:

-snip-

To the point, though, is that he works in video/film and has a number of friends who work in news in and around Punta Gorda. He has viewed raw footage of the destruction that blows away anything we are getting on the feeds. He reports tractor-trailer reefers full of body bags. No counts, but he is told there are hundreds. Every time a cameraman gets near the bodies, they are firmly "dissuaded" from shooting. Most of the stuff he is seeing is shot from a distance using 2x and 4x extenders. I am working on getting him to send me a broadcast quality raw tape dub. If nothing else, I will be out there in October. More as I get it.


One reason for the hidden count might be that a large count would lessen the impact of the 2,800 lives at the WTC just before *** plans to exploit them at the RNC. Another would be to hide the severely depleted National Guard there in Florida.


Interesting: many calls to the region are being intercepted by FEMA recorded message. Look up a number in Punta Gorda and give it a call. See what you get..."

-snip-

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
(Fifth Story down)

This is another source NOT the Michael Edward stories. Michael Edward also says he has photos of the stacked bodies and bodies in the wreckage--as well as the ice trucks they are hiding the bodies in.

THIS IS THE 9TH OR 10TH CONFIRMATION OF THE COVER-UP SO FAR!!

[DS1]

1. where are the other 9 ten confirmations?

how hard is it to scan a photo and put it on the net

show me a single photo and I'll consider believing you, until then is this all hearsay

[DS1]

2. and I love the "buddy of mine" opener

A buddy of mine just had necropheliac sex with all those bodies, licked his fingers, and went to Red Lobster

[neoteric lefty]

3. any actual photos or tape running around yet? n/t

[Name removed]

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[SpiralHawk]

8. Warning, Warning. Do Not Drink the Kool Aid

Do not ingest the soma.

Tighten down the straps on your tin foil hat.

And always remember,
do not change Horsemen
In the middle of an Apocalypse.

[Dems Will Win]

7. Not yet

Edward says he has them and so does this fellow.

FOX News reported 100-150 DOAs at one hospital Sat. Morning, then NOTHING. (Hard to mistake 100 DOAs for anything else) THe reporter couldn't believe it and the nurse re-confirmed it LIVE on the air!

OOOPS!

Also the Sunday Mirror and the Daily Telegraph overseas reported hundreds missing and bodies littering the streets, while the Miami Herald still has 170 people missing on a printed list one week after the Hurricane!

On the 7 people who say they saw the bodies and took pictures (this producer plus Michael Edward and his five rescuer friends), there have also been NUMEROUS posters on DU who heard reports of bodies everywhere on the radio Sat. Morning as well as a DUer who said they saw bodies floating in the water.

If the coverup is not true ALL of these people who say they saw the bodies, INCLUDING THE NURSE ON FOX NEWS, ARE LYING THEIR HEADS OFF IN A VERY UNFUNNY JOKE. Not likely...

If no photos or footage, however, this story will die, I agree, for if it is true, the Double-Bush cover up will use their funeral home chain buddies (Remember FuneralGate and the Georgia branch of that chain arrested for dumping corpses in the woods?) to simply merge the dead into the natural death toll over the next 6 or so weeks.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

41. This guy that's been writing these articles says they won't release pics

or allow the media to use their posts, etc. because they don't want them used for "political gain." It's a Republican area and they apparently don't want to ruin Dubya and Jebbies chances to be re-elected.

So fuck em!

[NJCher]

5. you doubters

ought to go back and read some of the earlier Charley threads. Some very reliable posters there tell of similar stories in other hurricanes.



Cher

[DS1]

6. roll tape

It's simple.

Or maybe they're too busy putting shiny objects in the background to suggest Charley was CIA controlled

[Dems Will Win]

10. Also a poster on Rumour Mill said his friend performed 70 embalmings

from the Charlotte County area over last weekend.

THis might be real.

With the news media not reporting the truth about anything, they really have to prove first there is no coverup to me at this point.

Why is the Guard keeping everyone away from the ice trucks claimed to just be sitting in a parking lot instead of handing out ice in 95 degree weather then?

Let the news cameras into the trucks and film the ice, then I'll believe a death toll of 4 from a county that took a Cat 4 on the chin with no time for many to get out.

[DS1]

11. another friend

yay

[Dems Will Win]

13. Let me ask you--do you believe Bev Harris when she says she has

proof, the source code, of a secret program made by Diebold to allow someone to change the election count and no one could ever check?

She has not shown the code to anyone yet, but said in another thread she will do so soon.

Now that's a far worse crime by the Republicans than even this!

Do you believe Bev Harris is lying on that?

This coverup is only a week old and already FOX NEWS inadvertently reporte the truth. Don't forget the Repubs run that County.

In fact, guess who the Congress Rep is?

KATHERINE HARRIS!!!!!!!!!!

Now there's someone we can trust to tell the truth!

[DS1]

14. numerous independent sources, including software companies

security specialists and universities have backed up Bev's concerns on data processing and security within the software.

But to directly answer your question, I'll believe her latest claim when I see it.

Show me a single picture of bodies, that's all I'm asking, it shouldn't be that hard.

[merh]

17. Don't you get it, have you seen a single photo of a body from Charley?

They have confirmed over 20 deaths, have you seen 1 photo of a body?

How about the photographs of caskets carrying the soldiers killed in Iraq, how many of them did you see before someone accidently got a photo that could be released to the press and on the internet?

[DS1]

24. Right, there's such a similarity between a restricted airbase

and the contents on military transports and West Coast FL.

[merh]

26. The similarity is what the admin doesn't want us to know . . .

and what the media is willing to "not report".

[DS1]

27. But surely there's an unborn child involved

....

[merh]

28. I truly hope that you are correct - but my knowledge of the admin's past

lies and their continuous efforts to cover up their crimes make it very hard for me to do anything but remain suspicious of them and to suspect a cover-up. I live in a hurricane prone area and I know how the proper actions of the government can save lives and I rely on that. If the local and federal government failed the citizens of Florida, that could affect me, so this is a personal matter. You can be glibe as you like, you can put your faith in your government and remain naive, that is your choice.

You have yet to answer my question, have you seen ANY photos of the 25 acknowledged dead?

[DS1]

30. You're skirting the issue

Your question about the admin's decision to not send the Nat'l Guard is a good and valid point.

Your constant belief in rumour sites is clouding your message.

[merh]

31. My belief in the "rumor" is because I know this admin to be a bunch

of liars and I know human lives can be saved during hurricanes if the federal and state government's do their jobs. They did not in this case, they failed miserably.

Did I tell you that I have worked in the midst of hurricanes to evacuate the elderly, the infirmed and those stuck in low lying areas? It can be done if the local and federal officials want it done and order that it be done. It is not considered a suicide mission, it is considered a life saving mission.

I also know that the "tax cuts" of this administration have resulted in the cut of many local programs, including civil defense, emergency personnel and closed shelters.

I hope you are correct, but I have my suspicions that you are not because I know what effect the lack of federal funding to local programs has been during shrub's admin.

I also know that the guard is supposed to be there to help the states, not to fight in the war. I also know that local emergency services have lost man power because many law enforcement, emt's, fire and rescue officers serve as guardsmen and have had to leave their local jobs to fight in the war.

You make light of a situation that might be true, again I ask, have you seen any photos of any of the bodies from Charley? The local emergency services director in the Florida County asked that 60 additional body bags be delivered just after the storm, when we were told 15 had died. Where are the other 60?

I do not cloud the message - I demand that folks recognize that the message that is given to them is not complete. Take off your rose colored glasses and maybe you will see that is the case as well.

[DS1]

33. I don't need rose colored glasses because I don't care what the number is

but I do care if there's a coverup, and so far nothing I've been shown comes evenly remotely close to proving there is one.

Not a single independent photo, or video, or testimonial from someone that's actually seen inside these black ice trucks.

[merh]

34. And the fact that the fellow in charge of emergency services in one

community requesting "an additional 60 body bags" and the refrigerator trucks doesn't concern you?

[DS1]

35. It was a call in the first few hours after, according to your arguments

this is a good thing.

[merh]

36. Then were are the other bodies????

You have yet to answer any of my questions?

Have you seen any photos of any of the dead?

Why did they need an additional 60 body bags if "only" 25 have died?

[DS1]

37. You're arguing an unknown, it's rather amusing

Where are the other bodies, that's what I've been asking ~you~

[merh]

39. No, I am not asking you where are the other bodies,

I am asking you have you seen any bodies? If you have not seen the 25, why do you expect to see the "others"?

You accept the 25 without seeing the bodies, why is that, because it is official?

[DS1]

40. OMFG

The burden of proff is upon you, not me.

[merh]

44. See, you can't answer the questions.

The burden of proof is not on me. I have my suspicions and I have explained those to you. I know about hurricanes, hurricane preparedness, the efforts of civil defense personnel and local law enforcement before, during and after a hurricane. I know that 35 years ago the national guard made a difference. I know that more recently (prior to the iraq war) the national guard has been called out to assist with traffic on the evacuation routes, to go into communities and assist folks in their efforts to evacuate.

I know that the admin lied about the number of dead after Hurricane Andrew.

I also know that this admin cannot be trusted and both Jebbey and the shrub have reasons to keep the numbers low.

I have no burden, I only have questions. It is you that chooses to not ask questions and to accept what you are told.

[DS1]

45. *yawn*

:boring:

[merh]

46. Game, set and match!

Guess you had no answers to the questions.

[DS1]

52. Spare me the bullshit

Questions are cheap, any chump can ask questions all fucking day.

That's all you do, and you think you deserver a medal and a pat on the back like you're some sort of fucking hero.

Get over yourself, come up with a single answer and your time might be worth something.

[merh]

54. I have come up with more answers than you and my posts have not

been b.s. I have admitted that photos or videos of the contents of the guarded refrig trucks or the guarded refrig trucks themselves would be significant and useful to the issues contained in this thread.

I have provided justification for the suspicions and doubts of this admin.

You have not answered any questions posed, you have just been rather nasty and have no basis for your acceptance of what is feed to you except that it is the "official" statement.

(pssst, there are no WMD's in Iraq)

[DS1]

55. I don't have to answer the questions posed

You're making the claim, you provide the evidence. Since it quite clearly needs repeating

ASKING QUESTIONS WITHOUT FOLLOWUP IS NOT INVESTIGATION.

Drive down to Florida and get the evidence yourself if you have to, otherwise you're wasting everyone's time.

Yes, I'm aware there are no WMDs in Iraq. Thank you for showing me the light.

[merh]

56. I never claimed to be investigating, there are others that are doing

that as is suggested in the initial post that created this thread. It is you that has scoffed at the investigation, as if doubting what has been released as official numbers and reported by the media is insane. It is you that is wasting folks time. If you don't like a thread stay out - mocking the posters is not necessary or appreciated.

[merh]

29. The National Guard has saved lives during hurricanes that were

worse than Charley in the past. Why were they not called out to evacuate folks during Charley? No matter what the number of deaths may be, that question must be asked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2250106

[Dems Will Win]

18. So you don't believe Bev has the source code until you see it

I can go along with that. Then what do you think the odds are that she is lying to us now? 10%, 90%?

See all I'm saying is here this is the 10th report of a coverup, some anecdotal without pics and five newspaper reports.

Give the double Bushwhack on this one, I believe the posters and the overseas newspapers and the still-missing list far more than CNN and Jeb.

[DS1]

25. **********BREAKING!!!!!!!!********************* 11TH REPORT OF BODIES!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2250076

[Joanne98]

16. Katherine Harris yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

What luck. I can't believe it. Wasn't she at the beauty parlor or something that day? Keep up the good work DWW. I really agree that there's something funny going on. I can feel it...:)

[Joanne98]

12. I wouldn't trust rumor mills

The women that owns that website says she has a CIA boyfriend and he took her the visit the "king of the world" who lives in the middle of the earth. I used to read "the agents' only because they had a couple of pretty good economists. Aside from that well......

[merh]

15. You know, no one is saying the gov caused Charley, they are just saying

that it appears that a cover up relative to the actual number of lives lost is occurring. I agree, if there are photos or video footage it should be made accessible.

A cover up occurred after Hurricane Andrew and one now is not out of the question. Why, might you ask, well let us see:

Could it be that Jebby and his staff failed the folks in the area by limiting the ordered evacuations to the Tampa area, clearly ignoring the National Weather Services "hurricane warning projections".

Could it be that no National Guardsmen were made available for mandatory evacuations and the local emergency services are so underfunded that they could not effect evacuations and shelters were not open/available? (LACK OF FEDERAL FUNDS because of tax cuts to the rich)

Let me let you in on a little something. IN 1969, Hurricane Camille the most powerful hurricane to threaten the USofA (200 plus winds/ 20 plus foot of storm surge) came ashore along the Mississippi Gulf Coast. 173 folks died during that storm. Why is that something that should interest you and others, well during, yes during the storm, National Guardsmen evacuated over 300 folks from low lying and flooding homes. They used the LARCs and rescued folks while the storm was raging. Afterwards, those National Guardsmen were awarded the highest peace time medals available for their heroic efforts in saving the 300 lifes. Now that was in 1969. (Weren't we in a war then too?)

So, in 2004 the National Guard in Florida is not called out to assist in the rescue efforts in Florida. Why not?

This is the issue - the Gov of Florida let the citizens down. He failed, folks died. If he were not the brother of the prez, this information would be all over the air waves.

Folks don't have to die in hurricanes, even the old and the infirmed and the poor who chose not to leave their measley, cheap manufactured homes.

(Had to edit because of typos)

[Dems Will Win]

19. Anyone have the links on the hundreds of Andrew deaths

I can't find them! They were on another Charley thread...

[merh]

22. Check out post #71 on this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2221052&mesg_id=2223271&page=

[MUSTANG_2004]

32. Evacuations were ordered outside of Tampa

The day before Charley hit, Charlotte County had a mandatory evacuation of the coastal areas and all mobile homes.

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=1256&z=3&p=

"Charlotte County has ordered mandatory evacuations of Gasparilla Island, all barrier islands, RV parks and residents living in mobile homes."

I'm not trying to take a stance on whether are unreported deaths (although I'll be skeptical until photos/videos are released). This is just pointing out that the counties south of Tampa did order evacuations from the more dangerous areas.

[merh]

42. Where was the national guard before and during the hurricane?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2250106

[Joanne98]

9. Here's a list of the missing........

158 people have not been found

http://www.sun-herald.com/missingpeople.htm

[TomNickell]

50. No, 158 have been -reported- missing.....

Most of those have simply not contacted worried relatives, or they are already found.

And 158 doesn't exactly add up to 'hundreds'.

[Dogmudgeon]

20. Why I Don't Believe It

I have a brother (and sister-in-law, and two nephews) who live in that area. They live well inland, and still got hit pretty good. Most of the houses on their block had minor damage, but a mere quarter of a mile away, some tornadoes hit and did some real damage.

I asked him about the situation. He's gregarious and knows a lot of people in the Orlando area -- he's a construction materials consultant and manages an interior design store, so he knows people high and low, and I'm sure he's going to be quite busy for several months. He's organized homeless people into groups for jobs, and he personally sold Sharon Stone her living-room furniture. His wife is also pretty well-connected. She has a ton of dentists and surgeons as clients (she makes artificial teeth).

He would have heard if a lot of people had died -- and he hasn't. And he's shocked by the impact of the storm -- the property damage is worse than it was with Andrew (but then again, Andrew hit more to the south).

A lot of this news about high casualty rates is coming from Internet apocalyptics. They did it during Andrew, and they're doing it again. I thought they were OK until I dared question one of them -- I then got the full "you human piece of filth!" treatment.

I don't believe what they are saying, but I'm still willing to consider new evidence, even if they are touchy and nasty.

If any credible information emerges that there has been a cover-up of casualties from Charley, I promise you that I will join the chorus of the outraged and demand that heads roll. But right now, it seems that the reports of 500, 1000, 20000 dead are exaggerated, and third-hand reports are notoriously unreliable under the best of circumstances.

I don't want to be wrong about this -- and not for reasons of ego. Convince me otherwise and I'll be on the phone with Specter and Santorum as fast as you can say "impeach the bastard".

--bkl

[Dogmudgeon]

21. Link to an old thread with information

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2233003#2233192

My post links to some of the work of K.T. Frankovich, one of the major promoters of the idea that the death toll during Andrew was sky-high (about 20000, IIRC). I'm sorry to say I don't find her credible, at least at this point.

Like I said -- if this can be confirmed, I'll be calling for a major shake-up myself.

--bkl

[EST]

23. I am afraid I'm going to have to go with the majority on this one.

An old buddy (sorta) once told a group of us about an unusual happening at his farm that morning. Apparently there was a huge squirrel migration going on that morning (he said) and he had seen, while standing on his back porch, he told us, at least "two thousand squirrels on 'at there tree. "If you don't believe me, I'll show ya the tree." My name is not Thomas, but I I gotta see it .

[kerry-is-my-prez]

38. If all this is true then they ought to stop acting like "martyrs" and

start fighting. They ought to be screaming to somebody like Bob Graham or Robert Wexler. Since that area is very Republican - It won't do much good going to Porter Goss - who I think is their Representative. Or - mediawise: Guy James is right in that area, Keith Olbermann, Air America. There ARE media outlets that can be fair.

If the 911 widows acted like this we never would have had a 911 investigation. No-one would know anything.

They complain that the mainstream media is not reporting on this yet they don't want them there and aren't willing to cooperate with them. They say they have pictures but will not release them to the media.

They say they don't want any pictures or their stories used for "political gain." Don't they realize that it is because of politics that they are NOT getting any help there and that it is being covered up?

Don't they know that by the time that they "release" their information - it will all be "covered up" and the average'
Merikan is not going to care. We know how the media works - "the hurricane is already an old story." They'll be another Laci Peterson story or Michael Jackson story.

I feel bad for these people but if they are not willing to kick some ass, call the government on the carpet and speak out no-one can help them.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=54222

"I have been contacted, through email, by various mainstream newspapers and other controlled radio media asking for interviews and copyright permission to publish my posts. My answer to them is if they couldn’t report the truth before, then I doubt they will report the truth now. More so, I am not about to let any of them increase their profits via the larger readership they will receive from these updates or eyewitness reports. As for the alternative media groups who have contacted me, I will try to get back with you as soon as I am able.

Regarding the repeated email requests that we post pictures of the fatalities: The pictures we have will not be posted or published anywhere for the near future. We all voted and it was unanimous that these pictures be kept safe and eventually be used to expose the mounting untruths that are unfolding from this disaster. Besides that, we feel there is enough death surrounding us at the moment; enough horror has already been seen and experienced. If we post any of those kinds of pictures, others will use them for their own purposes, for personal fame, or for political gain.

-snip-

There is no doubt that the deaths here are far higher than even what we have been able to find out for ourselves in different areas. The major question is this: Why and for what purpose is this not being reported by the government or the mainstream media? Every Floridian and American should be demanding that the truth be told.

-snip-

For all the picture takers and morbid gawkers, please stay home. This especially applies to those asking where the worst damage was and where the most deaths were. This is not a Hollywood movie set and we do not appreciate you driving by with your cameras. Please, allow us to keep our dignity. We don’t need your kind here. That includes the mainstream media reporters and photographers... just stick to your staged government media tours, take more pictures of the National Guard troops, and save your film."

-snip-

Michael Edward

[kerry-is-my-prez]

43. Hate to say it but if DU doesn't believe them then NO-ONE is going to.

If people like us who do not trust the Government one bit are questioning it's validity - you can be sure that the average person is not....

If it's true - they are up shit's creek.

[karlrschneider]

47. Hm. Well, my partner's mom lives just south of Punta Gorda (he was born

there) & we have talked to her every day since Charley...she has no power yet but we were able to explain to her how to operate the generator. She has been doing volunteer work for the hard-hit parts of the county...her house lost a few shingles and lots of trees down but not serious.

Anyway I asked her about this Friday and she hasn't heard anything about large numbers of fatalities. I'm not saying it is completely impossible but I don't really think such large numbers could be covered up...I mean these people have family and friends....?

[shance]

48. Hate to say it, but you naysayers are more cowardly than ever accurate.

You know, you are the guys who thought the world was flat, youre the guys who called us conspiracy theorists on electronic voting. You criticized, ignored, dismissed, but you didnt know anything.

We didnt know much either at the time, but heres the difference*, we were actually willing to search for the truth and some answers. Why hasnt there been more information coming forth about whats going on in Florida? Why was FEMA delayed in providing help in so many hard hit areas. Once again, LOTS of questions, not a lot of answers.

It saddens me how Americans are so frightened of calling the truth what it is.

Gotta stay in that box, be hip, look kewl, whatever to stay in the mainstream and not venture out of the norm.

If there is a cover-up happening, dont you big shots with the answers think its worth a whirl to dig a little? If I was a relative or a loved one, you bet I would.

Answer me this. How much secrecy and MORE COVER UPS do you NEED to realize what we are dealing with?

Or do you come in here and simply create more skepticism and shame ****GASP*** that we may actually find some truth.

Do those of you that LAUGH and criticize those of us looking for answers, do you have any information that proves your points? No, you dont have diddly either.

But youd rather be cocky than right.

Shut up and let the truth seeking continue.

[TomNickell]

49. What kind of immature Brat spreads this vicious nonsense?

"Very reliable Source" my Ass.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

51. "Immature Brat?" Isn't that a little harsh when we don't know for sure..

Why are YOU so pissy about it?? Kinda makes one wonder....

I'm not believing it until I see more evidence - but I'm willing to keep an open mind and am not discounting it yet. If we don't see any evidence for a month - then I'll discount it.

I would suggest that you do the same thing I'm doing - don't worry about it one way or another until we hear further from these people.

I live near there and maybe I'll just take an "investigative spin" up there.

[TomNickell]

57. Common Sense. And, no it's not harsh. It's mild.

Think.

Each municipality has an independent police dept and fire dept. Those folks were out during and after the storm looking for friends and neighbors. Do these people carry off hundreds of bodies and hide them to avoid embarrassing the Gov?

Each missing person has friends and relatives trying to find him. Are -those- people just keeping quiet to avoid embarrassing the Gov?

Each death will set in motion a whole chain of legal consequences. The number of deaths will very soon be a matter of public record. Does the Gov risk covering up 'hundreds' of deaths (even if he could) knowing that the ruse will be uncovered well before the election?

We get this kind of horseshit here every time there is a publicly reported tragedy. Bush has been personnally responsible for blowing up the Space Shuttle, causing an earthquake in Iran, blowing up the UN hdqtrs in Iraq, beheading several American Citizens in Iraq, and (of course) flying airliners into the WTC (after filling said buildings with high explosives).

This is juvenile, arrogant, sick......

And has nothing whatever to do with progressive politics or electing John Kerry President.

[Cuban_Liberal]

59. A-MEN, Tom!

I'm sick of this ridiculous, :tinfoilhat: shit that does nothing, other than provide fodder for jokes at our party's expense.

[DS1]

53. one that didn't get enough attention as a child

clearly.

[Cuban_Liberal]

58. Meadow..... muffins!

Not one pic, not one millisecond of video has been produced. As someone who has dealt with mass-casualty situations before, the odds on this story being true are zip, zero and nada.

:eyes: