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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:47 AM
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David Kay on CNN saying that Rice is to blame considerably
for the intelligence failure
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:49 AM
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1. I can scarcely catch my breath with all this
Kay blaming Rice? This is too sweet. If this is a dream, I hope no one wakes me up.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:53 AM
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4. The woman gets to take the fall?
The black woman gets to take the fall?

Gosh. So not surprised.

Let me say, it couldn't happen to a nicer girl. But the white guys are her innocent victims? Gosh, again.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:56 AM
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8. oh, c'mon. She may be a black woman, but she's a terrible NSA
Being a black woman has nothing to do with it... and David Kay, utterly estranged from the Bush Admin, is not in any position to appoint fall guys.

There's probably more to it, and extremely bad blood between them.

And she deserves a hell of a lot of blame, but there's soooo much of it to go around. None of those white guys should be left out.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:58 AM
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10. Sorry... Rice does not deserve THAT defense... She has had a free
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 12:00 PM by hlthe2b
ride precisely because she is the rarest of rare-- a Repug female minority. Everyone from the press to the congressional investigations have handled her with kid gloves.

I'm the first to step forward in those instances when women or minorities are being scapegoated for the protection of the culpable white male. This is simply NOT one of those instances. Rice deserves all the pounds of criticism that she has thusfar escaped. So, too do plenty of white males surrounding her, from Bush on down, but Rice is extremely culpable for being both incompetent and playing the enabler role to the NeoCons' objectives in this administration.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:01 PM
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13. Rice is an idiot
Her expertise was Russia, and she did NOT seek the counsel of Clarke or people who knew about terrorism and the middle east

I know the type, they are afraid to admit they do not know something
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:02 PM
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14. This particular person should take a fall and the others need to
join her.

The person is wrong and bad for america.

she happens to be a woman
She happens to be black

The person did a lousy job and still is doing a lousy job.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:13 PM
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16. I don't see it as taking the fall
If I thought this was a matter of serving her up as a sacrifice so that * can escape, that would hardly make me happy. I see this as Kay turning on the Bushies and only another drip.

But you know...she is NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. It's not as if she was head of the EPA.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:52 AM
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2. And the walls come tumblin' down...
The rats are ratting each other out.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:53 AM
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3. He dares to criticize the untouchable Condi?
Wow.

That IS great.

She is the woman with the teflon hairspray.

But I think that she is really just W's babysitter. The one who keeps him busy while Cheney & Co. hatch the schemes and wear the Daddy pants.

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:54 AM
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5. Is that true?
Not to question your post-but to express my astonishment-I simply cannot believe that Kay said that. Wow--first hit Condi has taken from anyone on that side of the aisle, I think

I wonder what is with Kay--Is this a rare breed of conservative who actually does have a conscience?

He has been an enigma throughout the whole thing.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:54 AM
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6. That should make her head explode!
I loved watching the pictures of here progress from smiling to just about having a stroke during all the 9/11 panel hearings.
If we could just get her to blow her top, then the rest would be easy
:nuke:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:54 AM
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7. Rice is not nice.
She is responisble for the intelligence failures.

And it is George AWOL Bush who is responsible for appointing her to a job way over her head.

The buck must stop at the Bush. Deal with it.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:57 AM
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9. She'll take the fall
If this interview gets picked up by other outlets. Even though the buck should stop with bush, she'll be the one to take a major hit.

bush would never take responsibility for anything.

Cyn:)
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:01 PM
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12. you have to take them all down...they are all responsible.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:00 PM
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11. Article.... "David Kay comes clean, almost"
http://slate.msn.com/id/2094415/

The Art of Camouflage
David Kay comes clean, almost.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Monday, Jan. 26, 2004, at 2:41 PM PT


David Kay's remarks over the weekend—that Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction before the war and that U.S. intelligence agencies missed the signs that would have told them as much—held few surprises for anyone who'd closely read his official report on the matter last October.

Kay was the CIA's chief weapons inspector until he resigned last week. The difference between his report of last fall and his statements of recent days is that he was still on the Bush administration's payroll when he wrote the former and a free agent when he made the latter. It's the difference between obfuscation and clarity—political allegiance and public candor.

-snip-

Kay did his job well. His report did not tell lies. But it puffed up enough smoke to let President Bush proclaim it as a justification for the war. Bush cited, with particular enthusiasm, the bit about Saddam's "clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses"—a phrase containing four words designed to raise the hair of anyone who's ever glanced at a spy novel.

Now that Kay has quit, he can tell the same story—but without the smokescreen.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:04 PM
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15. She's incompetent
Why keep a bozo that has endangered the american public and worstened
our collective security. Fire her along with all the top brass for
deriliction of duty and gross negligence... heck, put her in a war
crimes trial along with bush and his other mass murdering scum.

Let the Nuremburg "agressive war" precedent stand, and put the lot
of them to the gallows.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:27 PM
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17. How can you have a failure of intelligence
wouldn't that imply that you had some intelligence to begin with?

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