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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:15 PM
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Why would someone want to destroy
one of the most beautiful places in the world? Yet it seems that George Bu$h is bound and determined to do just that.














I can't imagine how beautiful it must be to be inside of this shrine. The whole place shimmers in light and gold. To destroy this place is a crime against all of humanity. Damn you George W. Bush, damn you.







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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:17 PM
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1. Yeah, why would a Christian
want to destroy another religions holy place? It's never happened before.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:28 PM
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8. No good Christian would ever kill another human or harm anyone.
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 08:29 PM by Zynx
A lot of "Christians" pervert what is a beautiful faith of love and compassion. Unfortunately, there are types like Bush and the Popes of the Middle Ages who ruin its reputation.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:17 PM
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2. Evil always seeks to destroy beauty.
Sometimes by accident, other times through intent.

Has the shrine been hit during this whole conflagration?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:28 PM
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7. Yes, we've managed to put a few major dents in it so far
n/t

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:48 PM
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26. Does this answer you question?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x769254

NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - A senior commander of Shi'ite militants holed up inside a Najaf shrine said the wall of the mosque was hit by U.S. fire on Sunday night.
Sheikh Ahmed al-Sheibani, who is also a top adviser to radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, said it was hit during fighting.

It was not immediately possible to confirm the accusation independently. Serious damage to the shrine would enrage millions of Shi'ites around the world and give Sadr political ammunition in his rebellion against U.S. troops.


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6037980

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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:02 PM
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27. Bloody fantastic.
This world just keeps getting more and more rational, doesn't it?
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Lovecrafty Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:19 PM
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3. I never realized how beautiful it was!
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 08:21 PM by Lovecrafty
It's absolutely brilliant! AMAZING archetecture! FAR more exquisite than any cathedral I've ever seen! It's like a page right out of Arabian Nights! Bush is going to unleash the hatred of a billion Muslims against us by destroying this place! He MUST be defeated this November at ALL costs..the future of humanity and history itself is at stake!
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:34 PM
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10. A building of light.
I've always loved the Islamic mosaics, or mosaics of any kind, for that matter. Mosaics are how I picture the human soul, or something along those lines--a complex tapestry of broken little pieces of different design and texture fitting together to create a beautiful whole. I especially love the way their architecture blends with nature and then transcends it. This building is absolutely breathtaking!
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:20 PM
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4. just as
osama delivered a gift to bushco and the pnac with september 11th (using it as a catalyst to launch war), bushco has AND CONTINUES to deliver osama a gift -- an islamic jihad against all americans.

the war and events like this only make our enemies stronger.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:21 PM
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5. He's the antiMidas...
everything he touches turns to sh*t.

I think the Bush family is going to knock the Borgia's off the charts as far as being the most hated family in human history.
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tekriter Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:24 PM
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6. This is my 400th post! (I think)! But, on topic,
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 08:26 PM by tekriter
look up pictures of the Two Holy Mosques in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

I spent a few months there (Saudi, not Mecca) and every day on teevee they show the procession of marchers who circle the inner mosque as they pray.

I was mesmerized by the beauty of the Mosques, and the scale of the place was amazing - it held literally tens of thousands of people.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:30 PM
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9. In the anonymous world of yahoo boards....
they are saying "Blow it up!" "Level it!" "Onward Christian soldiers!"....what have we become?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:35 PM
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11. What have we become??<<
http://www.notfrisco2.com/thinkinggirl/archives/004248.html

We have become our enemy

Feds Win Right to War Protesters' Records

Our dear government tells us that it needs to investigate everyone for the safety of our freedom. But I ask you, how can you have freedom when everyone is under suspicion? How are we supposed to defend our freedom if we are persecuted for doing so?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:50 PM
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14. It thought the buddhas in Afghanistan were beautiful and ancient
works of art too.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:50 PM
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15. The people who lived in Germany in the 30's say this is how "IT"
started....we are way past the "start".


The question is , if they fix the election, or call martial law...
what do we do?

Your friendly neighborhood cop has no idea what's going on and follows orders - And the cabal have the equivalent of the "brownshirts" in the "contractors" - hired mercenaries.

Don't forget this cabal has its own privatized armies - they dont necessarily need American national guard or army here on the mainland...

So - whqt do we do?
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:32 PM
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24. We are the Romans at Masada
and we will be remembered until the end of time as the bad guys
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:48 PM
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12. Hah?
I think G.W. Bush destroys everything he touches.
Why would he stop now?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:49 PM
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13. A symbol of oppression and evil to some
While I myself would not want to see it go (for many reasons) I am sure some would argue it is a sign of opression and hatred and see no reason for it to stand (I know a man from Iran who feels this).

I think we should strive to protect such places, including those of many religions, from those who have a hatred of the people behind religions. They stand as a testament and a history of mankind, good and bad at times, and faith in general has played an important role in shaping the entire world (not to mention the artistic value, architectural, et al). I can understand how some though would not give a rats a$$ if they fell.

If christians overran this country and made it how they see fit, and then another country stepped in and deposed the leaders, would many here (or elsewhere) feel too upset if they brought down some wonderful churches? If the people still held the faith, of course they would be upset, but those who did not hold might well say good riddance.

Overall though, the cause and effect this would have in the ME is what is perhaps a bigger issue. Christians who see a one world government coming ran by the anti-christ are attuned to these matters and don't trust how things are going. If the world is a stage and the anti-christ is worming his way to the top such things as this (war, et al) are precisely the things that will help him gain power. Throw the world into chaos via war, 'accidental' release of bio-weapons, etc, then storm in as a leader/savior. Some speculate that the whole Iraq war had something more to do with getting babylon than the oil (ie, oil for bushy but sets up something bigger). They see an unseen hand getting one thing, and those hands we all see getting something in return.

It may all be bunk, but if you see the overall end result as X than the little pieces of the overall puzzle we see trickling in make scary sense. Get babylon, tick of muslims, ratchet up terrorism, wage wars, create a sense of dread and worry, and then comes riding in someone who can alleviate it all magically.

I don't think true christians would want this, the less time we have as a people the less time there is to 'save souls' and more will perish - which is not the desired result. There are those who pretend to be christians who want to move it along to the end, so maybe they don't really see any hope or have any desire to preach the gospel in the first place. I am reminded of Larry Burkett's book, the illuminati - where deceit reigned as those unseen manipulated the world and news for their own gain. Iraq may well now be a puppet, but who really is pulling the strings? Bush will go in November, when Kerry takes over Iraq will still be a problem. It will get fixed, things will move on, but perhaps someone else unseen is using all this. At any rate, it is all worth keeping an eye on.

Apologize for going off on a tangent like that :) I just see this as all bigger than Bushy Boy and oil, and since I see Kerry as taking over soon I don't see what it will gain Bushmeister in the long run. Kerry can undo everything he has done, from oil contracts to the direction Iraq takes. Someone deeper has a stake, be it halliburton to an unseen, and as yet unknown to us, person or group.

Thanks for the photos, will look for more online. From the catherdrals in France to the islamic temples there is a beauty to be marveled at (I'm not catholic, but they have some beautiful cathedrals).
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:57 PM
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16. There is no guarantee Kerry is going to get in -Read Bev Harris'
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 08:57 PM by Pallas180
thread or G_d BushNcheney's more recent thread here.

They have found the program and the programmer hired by diebold who
wrote the program to change the results of the electronic voting machines...and it can be done from any laptop.

they have shown authorities in California, it took 9 seconds to change
the recorded vote, and all the "authorities" said was "we'll take it
into consideration"








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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:39 PM
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25. Already read it
and others over time. Been lurking here since...well a few years at any rate. Read most the BBV threads, the 9/11 threads (loads of wild stuff there) and many others.

Finally got around to signing up and posting, but I am usually rather busy and don't have a lot of time to jump in. Thanks for the heads up though!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 08:58 PM
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17. This is where I went to High School


St. Vincent Ferrer church in NYC. It is one of the most beautiful churches in the country.

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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:04 PM
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19. You went to school at Hogwarts! - Cool!
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:06 PM
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20. now , imagine it with tank rounds thru the stained glass
with blood on the pews and body parts laying about. Would you defend it? Would you be an "insurgent", gaud dammit, we can't tell other countries how to live. this mis administration has fucked up big time, bigger than all the fuckups before it and they got the weapons and the brownshirts and the people that back them for all the wrong reasons. It has to stop or our Democracy is over, that great experiment has proven to be a failure.

Sorry for ranting, but I want America to be what it was, a Beacon to the unwashed masses looking for equality.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:19 PM
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22. Exactly
Why is this concept so hard for the fundies to understand?

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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:03 PM
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18. It houses the body of a "Satanist" or "Pagan"
Why would these people care...he was also brown as I understand it.....

My Michael Chrichton answer is (The actual Prophet Mohamed - could be cloned from Ali's corpse - that would be scary)
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:09 PM
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21. Bush and Fundies are faux christians
Jesus was the prince of peace, and believed in helping the poor.

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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 09:24 PM
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23. You would get no argument from me.
You would get no argument from me.

On either point
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Fatima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:36 PM
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28. It also makes one wonder
who would blow up the churches in Iraq...let me assure one and all that true Muslims would never consider such a heinous thing, and that those churches were blown up by those wanting nothing more than to fan the flames of hatred. Same goes for anti-Semitic attacks on Jews in Europe, etc...haters wanting to start crap and point fingers.

Thanks for the great pictures, it is a beautiful masjid indeed.
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