Just who is voting for the Neo-Fascists/Bushco anyway?

[Melodybe]

I am going to assume that no Gore voters will not be voting for Shrubya.

I am going to assume that no Nader voters from 2000 will be voting for Shrubya.

I am sure that the hundreds of thousands of people that lost everything when Enron and Worldcom went belly up will not be voting for Shrubya. And since Shrub is doing absolutely jack to put Ken Lay and his friends in jail, including not freezing their accounts and Overseas accounts, those people might be more inclined to campaign for Kerry.

Gay people who may have sided with Shrubya on things like small government and fiscal responsibility, have now been threatened with laws that ban their relationships.

Black people usually vote democratic but this time they are pissed at Bushco. Here in MS Bush came down here to campaign for Haley Barber, Haley was nice enough to put up signs up and down every highway in the state baring the Confederate flag, with a slogan that read, "Keep the flag, change the Governor." I talked to a high professor that marched with MLK back in the 60's that was so furious, he said it was like a slap in the face to the civil rights he fought for. His anger at Bushco in now only multiplied. Plus Bush's refusal to meet with the NAACP, only pisses off even more black voters.

Arab Americans who voted almost 3 to one for Shrubya, are now pissed to be considered in the Axis of Evil.

Hispanic voters have been jerked around, and Bushco's immigration policies have pissed many of them off as well.

Moderate republicans and independents are pissed about the war, poor economy, and skyrocketing deficit.

The 3 million people without jobs, who have been told repeatedly that outsourcing is good are totally pissed.

Teachers are being forced to teach larger classes and now many have to buy their own supplies, NCLB is a joke and they know it first hand.

So you may be asking yourself just who is voting for Bush this year?

The answer half of white people and the upper 1% of the population. Bush has about 35% of the total population, that is it!

As I said before and will say until the day I die, if we have a FAIR election, we win in a landslide.

[On the Road]

1. My Parents Will Be Voting for Him

as will my brother and his wife.

[bukk]

2. My mom too.

Grrrr.

[Melodybe]

4. Are they white?

If so, that supports my argument.

[On the Road]

14. Oh, Yes, They'e White and Evangelical

Extremely nice people, too. Just deluded.

[bukk]

22. Yes

And also working middle class. I remember back in the mid-90s when my mom was in some fit of worshipping Raygun for his tax cuts, I made a bet with her. I told her that since she worked for a living, like so many of us, odds were her taxes actually went up during the 80s as a percentage of her income. I challenged her to sit down with me and her tax returns from the 80s and do some calculations. This is a woman who still has maintenance records from cars she hasn't owned since the 60s. Eventually I was able to badger her into it.

Sure enough, her total tax burden increased (expressed as a percentage) from 1980 to 1989. Income tax went down a tad, but FICA and SS, etc went up so much as to erase the income tax reduction and then some. In fact, during the mid-80s there were a few years in which her take-home went down even though she was getting raises. She ascribed this to "hard times." I'll say.

I don't remember the exact numbers now -- it's been a few years. But I seem to recall that her total tax burden increase about 20% on income that was at that time in the low to mid $30k range.

So here's the punchline. We looked at these numbers together. She didn't refute the math since she checked it herself. But she also wouldn't let go of the belief that her taxes had gone down, since her income tax (a negligible part of her tax burden) had actually dropped a little. I tried to explain about the Republican drive to shift the tax burden from wealth to wages, and how that hurt her and people like her personally, but she wasn't buying it.

Here is the statement I remember that caused me to throw up my hands: "Rush Limbaugh says my taxes went down." Evidence and numbers be damned! Rush says it, it must be true!

This crap just makes me want to cry sometimes.

[newyawker99]

23. Hi bukk!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bukk]

26. Well, shucks!

Thank you! Glad to be here!

:party:

[ck4829]

3. That's the problem: "if we have a fair election"

I hope we will, but Bush and friends will pull out every trick in the book to try and win this one.

[RazzleCat]

5. Cops

Yep every cop I know is super pro Bush. Come to think of it every cop I know is a NRA member also, so add them in to. Don't forget my sweet old mom, she wants the inheritance tax removed, guess that means add the top 10 percent income wise, oh and people with out a clue.

[Melodybe]

6. Do you mean the 88,000 cops that are about to be laid off?

Thanks to Bushco many cops will be loosing their jobs, due to lack of funding.

[murielm99]

10. Not to mention the cops who will probably be losing their

overtime.

[RazzleCat]

24. overtime and cops

Funny, on Sunday the cop I know came over, first comment out of my mouth was, you going to keep your overtime? He had no idea that the overtime laws had changed. Large metro force 5000 plus officers, and no one had said squat. Of course being a good republican he believes the the law won't effect him.

[Davis_X_Machina]

13. Congratulate your mom...

...for having assets valued in excess of a few million, because the Federal estate tax is irrelevant unless you're
good for a few million.

[RazzleCat]

25. Mom says thanks

yes she is, of course she won't be much longer if the stock market keeps on tanking.

[K-W]

7. people who prefer the illusions Bush feeds them

and never undersestimate the number of people who prefer illusions over fact, we have a good amount on our side as well. True critical thinkers are few and far between.

[ihaveaquestion]

8. Two very good friends of mine voted for Bush in 2000

but probably won't this year. They may vote for Nader or stay at home. Unfortunately they believe the negative spin on Kerry, so they won't vote for him. They were poisened against Dems by the anti-Clinton years to the point of not believing in Dems ever again. So far, I haven't been able to change their minds much.

It's strange how we can remain such good friends, being that we disagree so strongly on these things. We do talk about politics, but we always try to remain civil and respectful to each other.

[Kid_A]

9. Millionaires, billionaires, and racists.

I think that about sums it up.

[ladjf]

11. You folks have boiled this question to the basic, true facts.

[BeHereNow]

12. Eric Hoffer described them

in his book "The True Believer." 1951/ Harper and Row Publishers

My in-laws are "true believers," the Germans who
followed Hitler over the cliff were also "true believers."

From the jacket of the original copy-
"Who is the True Believer?
According to Eric Hoffer...
'He's a guilt ridden hitchhiker who thumbs a ride
on every cause from Christianity to communism.
He is a fanatic, needing a Stalin (or a Christ)
to worship and die for.
He's the mortal enemy of things-as -they-are,
and he insists on sacrificing himself for a dream
impossible to attain.
He is today everywhere on the march.'"

From the text-
"Hatred is the most accesible and comprehensive
of all unifying agents..."

"Mass movements can arise and spread without belief
in a God, but never without a devil."

Sound familiar?
We are living in a country of True Believers.
And they are everywhere on the march today
as Hoffer warned us in 1951.
Bush is their Stalin, their Hitler, their leader.

Personally, planning my escape from this country
swarming with these True Belivers is
my first priority on a daily basis.
I work on some detail of it every day.

Read the book and you will too.
BHN

[Zorra]

15. Most of those that voted Nader in 2000 will vote for Kerry in November.

Except for those that are certifiable, of course.

Bu$h cannot win a fair and honest election. His only hope for victory is to win through carefully orchestrated voter fraud.

[pinniped]

16. Plenty of stupid gunnuts worship that asshole.

They have serious lead (Pb) build-ups in their pea-brains.

[Melodybe]

17. Don't forget the elderly that are loosing their Medicare, they're pissed 2

and all those beautiful young voters, they are thinking about their futures, and with Bushco they don't have any.

[AmandaRuth]

18. a bunch of fakers

who think killing 40,000 people who got in the way is OK, because god told bush to do it, and besides they are non-christians, so who cares

[PATRICK]

19. All kinds of fairness

To combat the lack of votes they need a total TV superficial glamor campaign based on money advantage. Need media subservience and cheering and total misdirection. Also need a laundry list of new and old vote fraud while using the FBI to single out Dems for voting offenses. Need to suppress and disenfranchise large segments of the vote. need to reach out to ignorant people untainted by information(the Amish are a shameful example of this exploitation with the continued soppy felons' list on the negative side.)

Then with all that above which they do have, they might also need the benefit of shocking events spun to at least provide cover for more cheating. Power failures. Terrorist incidents or alerts. Cancellation of elections. Falsified poll reporting right up to an including bogus exit polls. Need on the other hand to tar their opponent with impunity and fix all legislative races possible.

Need to throw a great cloud of unknowing over America.

These are either in full implementation or seriously speculated upon by Bushco. Their track record shows them capable of far worse and their assistance and leeway is as mighty a temptation as the situation is desperate.

In the end the illusion of the contest might be absurdly held to this. That Bush will NOT be the choice of America and he will use fraud. That maybe he will be allowed to win because somehow this contest allows for democracy itself to be defeated in every way known to man and devil.

But hey, the media will say, the system is not perfect. After all, Bush "won".

Not to be glum though. I believe we will overwhelm all of this and we have the candidate who can do it. After all, is there any doubt we will have the majority of America on our side, not to mention humanity?

[info being]

20. I drove through Anacortes, WA this weekend...

and the only Bush signs were displayed by people with very large homes on the coast. Oh, and then as you go out into the farm country, there are quite a few farmers who have been tricked also. So, basically, those whose vote is rational (the rich) and those who have been tricked (the religious fundamentalists and others from the not-too-bright constituency).

[realisticphish]

21. dead people

and millions of magical electronic citizens who happen to live at diebold

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat