James Dobson: Dog Beater

[pstokely]

http://www.nospank.net/dugan.htm

[AspenRose]

1. From the website

"This is one sick puppy, and I don't mean the dog, either."

[ck4829]

2. Dobson is up there with Robertson and Falwell

So I would almost expect something like that to happen

[truth2power]

3. Dobson outweighed the dog 200 to 12..

Watta cretin! (Dobson, not the dog.)

Puts me in mind of an article posted here about a year ago. A guy was beating his dog with a loaded gun, and the gun went off and killed the guy. Hmm...maybe there IS a God! :evilgrin:

[hatrack]

4. And it was still Hugh Glass vs. the grizzly, according to Dobson

What a buffoon.

This guy doesn't know shit about dogs, and even less about human beings.

[RubyDuby in GA]

5. Rusty says Dobson can kiss his little doxie ass

I'd like to see him try to move my mini dachshund like that. He'd be missing at least 3 fingers.

What an abusive idiot. He obviously is too retarded to know that dachshunds are just about the most stubborn dogs there are and are very smart.

Poor Siggie.

[David Dunham]

7. What a jerk. What's his e-mail address?

[pstokely]

8. look on family.org

the site of Focus on the Family

[OnionPatch]

6. This is one creepy guy.....

My story...I was talking to my neighbor at a cook-out about my daughter and we talked a little about discipline. She has two teenagers and I have a 4-year-old. My daughter has been a little bit bratty lately and I was saying I needed to try something different. She loaned me these two books by this guy I had never heard of. The weird part is that when I looked at this guy's picture, I just got a kind of sick feeling in my stomach. He just LOOKS creepy! I started reading and my fears were confirmed: He bashes "liberal-type" of child-raising at every turn, accusing us basically for all the ills of children today! Of course he advocates spanking. (which I have mixed feelings about) I looked him up on the internet and found out all that you guys already know about him. I just think it is funny that I could tell just by looking at his face that he's a real whacko.

[medeak]

9. omg

am sickened

[Warren DeMontague]

10. typical limp-dick fundamentalist, taking his bottled-up impotent rage

out on those who can't defend themselves. Here's my theological perspective, you dimwitted f*cknob: Next life, the dog comes back as the one with the belt.

[MisterP]

11. Ve must BREAK ze child!

Jast get through--even iv you mast remove a few limbs vich zey use for zeir VILLFULNESS!
Brought to you by Focus on the Family, The AD Council, and the Happy Fuzzy Love Club (a subsidiary of Bechtel)

He makes Orwell's O'Brien seem warm and compassionate.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

12. another insane religious freak n/t

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[LOVING IT]

13. AAAAAhhhh Yes....

Nospank.net

The prisons are full of people expressing them selfs.
Let the dog and the children run the house, Great Idea...

Dr Spock Would be proud!

[karlrschneider]

14. "them selfs"?

...

[bhairava]

24. Yes

The prisons are full of people who were spanked and taught that violence is an appropriate means of conflcit resolution. They are also full of illiterates and believers in the death penalty (which is, of course the law of the streets!) I can assure you as someone who has worked with both kids and adults in such institutions that violence in the home (and rape and incest: frequent fellow travelers of violence since they are about the imposition and triumph of one person's will over another's) is ever present. The only exceptions are abandonment and neglect cases and these kids are simply subject to violence from other adults.

[put out]

26. I second you.

I couldn't reply because I knew I'd be getting sarcastic and nasty.

Those people in prison expressing "them selfs" are, many times, the sad result of an upbringing by people who lacked the intelligence, imagination, or just plain good character to refrain from hitting their children. Teaches those kids a lesson, alright. It teaches them that it's O.K. to beat up on those around you who have the misfortune to be younger, smaller, weaker, not human, less powerful, and in your general vicinity.

And so, the younger get older and the smaller get bigger and the same sick shit gets played out again and again. Maybe "them selfs" won't be acting out or "expressing" "them selfs" in prison. Maybe they'll be showing you the lessons they learned up close and personal. Or maybe they'll show your children, or your pet, or your lover.

People who use B. Spock's name as an insult, have not, I suspect, read his work.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

15. A dog has an "anarchist nature??"

I have a very smart pooch, but I think this would be giving even him too much credit. And this "...with both of us...swinging the belt" WTF?? I can invision only one "belt swinger" in this scene. Perhaps Dobson had been lifting a few too many of the other kind of "belts." This is sick.

[karlrschneider]

16. Maybe it's because it's a "German" dog. Bet he would try that with a

Shepherd!

[mondo joe]

21. But Cats have a Hedonist Nature

Warm over here? Good spot to sleep.

This is yummy? Let's eat it.

You pet me? Purr.

Yup - cats are hedonists.

Smart critters.

[AspenRose]

29. Somehow when the bible talks about "dominion"

I don't think this is what God had in mind.

Dobson needs to familiarize himself with the story of Balaam's Donkey. God WAS NOT PLEASED when the donkey was getting the crap beaten out of it. (Numbers 22:22-32) The donkey even SPOKE, asking "what did I do?"

I'm sure this poor dog was asking the same thing.

[David Zephyr]

17. Thanks Pstokely For Bringing This Story About Dogbeater Dobson.

What a pathetic man, Dobson is.

[autorank]

18. Look on the bright side, at least he didn't have sex with the dog.

[ogsball]

19. If he had just been in the military at the time

Dobson might have gotten a medal for confronting a defiant animal. Oh who cares wear the medal anyway.

This man calls himself a psychologist?

[progressivebydesign]

20. My former (and beloved) Aussie/Border Collie did that to me once..

.. he turned to snap at me when I was removing a burr from his ear. I promptly swooped him forcefully off the bed and yelled at him to go outside. He never, ever tried that again.. regardless of what I had to do to his ears. It took 3 seconds, didn't hurt him, but let him know that he cannot threaten me. Beat him?? No way.

Reading that nutjob's account of his little Doxie is sickening! Could I imagine beating my dog with a belt over that? NEVER. And my dog weighed a lot more than his dog. He is a sick man... why do republicans enjoy hurting animals so much? Bill Frist. George Bush. James Dobson. Are they unaware of Jesus' teachings on animals? Have they never heard of St. Francis? These people ALL consider themselves such good Christians, and yet they are barbaric.

[alphafemale]

25. Bingo you can end bad canine manners without going psycho on the poor pup

A dog bearing its teeth is not something that can be tolerated, but there are responsible ways to react.

[bobbieinok]

22. Dobson, fundamentalist parenting -'break the will of the child'

I've heard fundamentalist colleagues say this

this 'will' apparently = 'original sin'

[MisterP]

23. His quotes are chilling

http://www.nospank.net/perlin2.htm
he's mad, I think

[allalone]

27. I am totally speechless

that's the sickest thing I've seen. Does he mean he does that to his children too? Where does this terrorist live? CPS and ASPCA need to be called.

[pstokely]

28. he's in Colorado Springs

FOTF moved there because of lax tax laws on charities

[AspenRose]

30. And consequently because of his influence Colo Spr is GOP-Land

Colorado still has Boulder going for it, though

[Gwerlain]

31. The education of a pet or child...

is a process of socialization, that is, persuading the individual to establish values that cause them to act in a manner appropriate to the social context.

The degree of violence needed in this persuasion is proportional to the degree of difference between the individual's current values and those of the society.

The neo-conservative's view of a proper society involves a high degree of authoritarianism, and as a result, is very far from the unmodified behavior of the individual.

The fault lies not in the methods used, but in their necessity; the evil lies in the nature of the society that the user of those methods has chosen to socialize the individual to, not in the methods themselves.

When I discipline my pets, I use a sliding scale. I begin with a gentle verbal admonishment that contains "trigger words" that they are aware of the import of because they have been repeated many times in disciplinary situations. My tone gradually becomes sharper if the antisocial behavior is repeated or continued. Eventually, the admonishment is delivered in my "sergeant major" voice, as my spouse likes to call it. Further embellishments might include clapping my hands together or thumping the floor with my foot. Since my pets are cats, the most serious admonishment (and the only permissible form of physical coercion) consists of the squirt bottle. I suspect that it would work on a small dog as well as it does on them. Use of it was relatively rare when they were young, and is now virtually unheard of.

The society I seek my pets' participation in is molded to many of their preferences, in terms of what food they eat (we had taste tests, but also pay attention to the contents, and we repeat the taste tests periodically, which is great fun for all participants), whether there are many requirements on them (almost none, save those that are required for their health), where they are allowed to go (almost anywhere including beds and furniture, but the top of a table, counter, or desk is off-limits), and how their desires are met (I normally walk in my house with my eyes down so that I do not tread on them; if work is in progress, I make it clear by louder tread and verbal warnings; when they "request" attention, I always make an effort to give it). I am perfectly willing that my activities should be somewhat constrained to allow them to be happy, since they make me happy by their companionship. The requirements and restrictions they face are the minimum I deem necessary for their health and safety, and my own.

As a result of these policies, we have few disputes, and spend many a mutually pleasurable hour together, not because I enforce it but because we mutually choose it. I seriously doubt that Mr. Dobson gets much pleasure from the simple companionship of his mistreated and no doubt neurotic pet.

[mitchum]

32. What a loathsome piece of shit!

[misanthrope]

33. I don't know which is worse...

...Dobson's inadequacies in canine stewardship, or the author's demonization of those who don't like children.

I like animals. I prefer the company of the canine variety to a good deal of the young homo sapiens I come across. Does that mean I should be locked up, that I'm unfit for membership in society?

People like this author can rest assured, though, that the condescension they extend toward me is returned in kind.

Often times, the best way to be a good parent is to choose not to be one at all. It's a shame more don't follow that line of thought.

[DBoon]

34. Forward this to an animal rights group!

If anyone desrves their ire, it's this guy

[A_Possum]

35. Positive training (clicker) would have had that dog turning flips

with its tail wagging, no problem, if the man had the decency to learn how to discipline HIMSELF and TEACH the dog what he wanted.

You don't get to beat up dolphins in order to train them, so people had to figure out better ways. And they work. On dogs, on kids, on other people.

Clicker training

[A_Possum]

36. What happens when Dobson meets up with something bigger than him?

Here's a nice article about the better way:

Pony’s Choice

An excerpt from On Behavior

By Karen Pryor

My neighbor and fellow trainer Pat Brewington brought a Percheron colt. Pat weighs about 100 pounds, and Percherons are enormous. There was no way Pat could train this horse by whips, chains, and force, the traditional method. Instead, she trained the horse, James, with a clicker and carrots, and was able in this way to shape him to carry a rider, wear a harness, and so on: the traditional tasks.

Pat also plays games with her horses. For example, there is a place in our woods where one of the trails forks; both ways lead home, and they are of equal length. Sometimes Pat ask her horse to go left, sometimes right; and sometimes she loosen the reins and says “Pony’s choice,” and lets the horse decide. Sometimes they go left, and sometimes right. The same game can be played with a log in the trail; they can go around it, they can jump over it, or Pat can say “Pony’s choice” and let the horse decide; again, sometimes her horses decide one way and sometimes the other.

I was invited to watch James having his first lesson of actually hauling logs, sections of cut-down trees, the ultimate work for which he had been purchased...Now, in James’s paddock, a big tree had been felled and cut up into ten-foot-long logs. Pat walked behind the horse, guiding him with long reins and voice commands. James would be driven alongside the log until he was in front of it, so that the attachment point on his harness, the singletree, could be hooded onto a chain on the log. Then he would be urged forward, to drag the heavy log to the log pile outside the paddock.

The first log went fine. At the second log, James walked quietly beside the log and actually parked himself in the proper place to be hooked up. The third log, however, was farther back in the paddock, toward the base of the tree, in a muddy spot. Pat tried to drive James alongside the log, and he balked, ears laid back: “I don’t want to go there.” This was a dangerous moment. Were the young horse to learn now, that balking “works,” he might well balk forever. A traditional trainer would instantly have laid into him with voice and whip to force him forward. Pat doesn’t own a whip. What was she going to do?

What she did was slacken the reins and say, “Pony’s choice.” James looked at the mud, ears forward, and then he carefully stepped over the log and came forward along the other side. He thought that the ground looked safer on the far side of the log. Pat had developed a cue, in a very young horse, that meant, “Use your own judgment.” Horses do have some judgment, particularly about where to put their feet; the folk expression, “horse sense,” is not wrong. Now, for the rest of James’s life, Pat has a horse of who she can say, “I’m not sure what’s the best way to pull this log, left or right—let’s ask James.”