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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:36 AM
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Is Babra Streisand really that bad for Democrats?
A co-worker who claims they are not Republican or Democrat said to me last night, 'The right has Ann Coulter & The left has Babra Streisand".I was surprised. I thought the right cliams that Michael Moore is our Coulter. When I asked to explain, they said Babs is just as radical & just a big of a fool to the left as Coulter is to the right.

Okay, what am I missing.Perhaps I am biased, but I thought Babs was pretty smart. Has she done ANYTHING to compare her to a radical or done anything to put her in Coulter's league? I really couldn't argue cause I didn't know if I was missing something. I will see them tonight & would like some ammo if I can find any.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:38 AM
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1. She is smart, but god do I dislike her....
She almost makes me want to be a republican. Not really, but I still don't like her at all.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:53 AM
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10. Why do you dislike her???? because she is a good Dem????
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:56 PM
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26. No, I dislike her DESPITE her being a good dem...
..she just strikes me as sanctimonious and egotistical in every interview I've seen or read with her. I've never liked any of her movies and I don't like her singing, despite being exposed to both throughout my life due to friends/family. It's great that she's a dem, but she still annoys the hell out of me as an entertainer/performer. And last I checked her chosen profession was in fact entertainer/performer and not "good dem".
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 01:07 PM
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27. You really should see "Nuts"
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 01:07 PM by jdjkkse
That movie is a freaking work of genius.

It's hearbreaking for me, because the young woman who plays Barbara Streisand's character as a girl looks just like my mother did at that age, and my mother was sexually abused by her father too.

I think Streisand gets very little exposure...she wouldn't perform for years, and she doesn't do that many movies...the wingnuts give her more play than she could ever ask for.

My parents are absolute religious wingnuts, and they don't know who Ann Coulter is. I'm not convinced that that many non-partisans know who she is, which tells me that the OP's friend is more than likely partisan.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 02:36 PM
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29. I've seen it....sorry...
Like I said, I've been exposed to much of her work and it all just is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:38 AM
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2. Your co-worker is a boob
Coulter regularly calls for people she doesn't like to be killed.

Streisand supports Democratic politicians and progressive politics.

There's a BIG difference.

--bkl
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:39 AM
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3. Your Co-Worker is an IDIOT
Ann spews pure hate, and it gets published and put on air. Barbara just speaks her mind about bush, as many of us do, but Ann Coulter!?!?!? she is just pure hate all across the board.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:27 PM
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23. An idiot and a potential freeper.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 01:07 PM
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28. exactly
I roasted a co-worker the other day in the breakroom while he said that kerry was a liar while Tom Brokaw on NBC just debunked that whole swift liar ad. Then I said and you know what * was doing when kerry was there? Being AWOL.

he then shot back and said well at least he wasn't a baby killer.

I blew up on him at that point and told him to go tell that to every Nam' vet we had there that, cuz he would get punched in the face. Then as people gathered around to listen to what we were arguing about quite a few laughed at him cuz he said he supported bush and telling him that I had a point and that most of the stuff I was teling him about was TRUE and has been happening.

lol, we shook hands afterwards cuz I don't hate him, I've known him for a couple of years and he is a decent person. I just told him when I hear B.S. I have to call them on it. :D
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:41 AM
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4. Seems like LImbaugh likes/liked to trash Streisand...
that's all I can figure.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:41 AM
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5. She has been demonized through no fault of her own.
The only people that keep her name out there are the conservatives.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:42 AM
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6. Ambitious smart independent outspoken Jewish woman
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 11:43 AM by Cheswick
Your co-worker is probably an unrealized bigot.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:13 PM
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20. Damn right!
Many self styled independents are in fact just universal haters.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:45 AM
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7. Why do we agonize over whether or not lying RW talking points are true??
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:49 AM
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8. white males pissed, PISSED at any woman with power
they attack her, they dont like oprah, they dont like martha. teresa, hillary...........see a pattern

gonna feed that ballless male or let them own their own wussiness
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:49 AM
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9. Barbra Streisand is great....
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 11:50 AM by Claire_beth
The repubs do not like her because she has been active in politics for the democrats. She is certainly NOT obnoxious, evil and cruel like THEIR Ann Coulter. Ann is a radical right wing nutball who has so much hate in her heart for democrats that she can't see straight. Watch "REAL TIME" with Bill Mahrer sometime when he has Ann on as one of the guests. It doesn't take long to figure out how much she hates democrats.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:54 AM
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11. You know, why don't you challenge your friend to be more
specific in her accusations? There is the point that Ann is a liar and Barbra is truthful. If your friend is reasonable you can destroy any of Ann Coulter's lies with no problem. There is even a website hosted by a Republican that debunks most of Ann's claims, but I don't have time to find it for you right now.

The truth about Barbra is that she speaks her mind like Randi Rhodes and you know how convervatives don't like what they percieve as loudmouthed women. Therein is the problem.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:01 PM
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15. well I plan to
I didn't want to shoot my mouth in case there was something I was unaware of.Lets face it, strong liberal women are often demonized(Hillary. Teresa Heinz.Babs.Even Oprah)I know what I am gonna say. I plan on telling him it was a poor example & that I need to now why she is in Coulter's category.TRUST ME, I won't let this go. I like Babs & will defend her. Like I said, I didn;'t know if he knew something I didn't(did Babs threaten to kill someone?Did she also say we should convert Muslims to christains?etc.)
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:56 AM
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12. I love Streisand, and she is NO Coulter alter ego.
I've heard Streisand discuss politics a few times. She is not at all like Coulter. She is dispassionate, but firm, in her beliefs. She is not mean spirited. She does not attack the person, but is against certain policies, instead.

Compare that to Coulter, whose written article about the Dem. Convention included personal insults about the appearance of the people attending. Silly, high schoolish stuff that serves only to hurt and insult people, not to inform or persuade.

They are not at all alike, and anyone who says so is not listening to either. But this is par for the course for the died-in-the-red Bush supporters. They simply do not tolerate anyone who does not 100% support their religious leader, Bushman.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:58 AM
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13. no, she hasn't done anything to put her in coulter's league
coulter is in a league or her own...there is no comparison on the left.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:59 AM
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14. Babs is great
Never heard anything extreme from her. She gets upset sometimes and she speaks with passion; someone has to.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:01 PM
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16. Streisand has lots of something Coulter will never, ever have.
It's called TALENT!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:02 PM
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17. They can KEEP Coulter ....
Comparing Streisand to Coulter is like comparing Filet Mignon to birdshit ....

Like comparing a Da Vinci masterwork to Uncle Joe's vomit stains (ew ... I grossed myself with that one) ...

Someone tell me HOW Streisand can be 'bad' for anyone ? ...

Does she leave dirty dishes in the sink ? ...

Forget to wash her hands in the privy ? ...

what ?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:03 PM
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18. "claims they are not Republican or Democrat"
Suuuuuuuuuure.

Anybody who says this is a Repub going "undercover" to try and make you "see the light" (sic).

They use idiotic stuf like this, almost a Rush-lite approach, to gently show you the error of your ways. Possibly even more dangerous than hardcore RW indiots because they make you (a) think about what they have to say, and (b) post it on a board and make OTHERS think about it.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:09 PM
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19. either way,.. she's a greedy person.
charges way too much for tickets, period.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:24 PM
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21. Babs is pretty moderate. She's just very committed, and they hate that.
And there's hardly any comparison to Coulter. When was the last time you saw Babs on a pundit show? She doesn't do them.

In fact they like to mention her because she is reclusive and ultra-wealthy. Since the public knows very little of her private life, it helps reinforce the image of "otherness", "jewishness", "limousine liberals" and being off in "la-la land".

They seldom mention how her impoverished upbringing in Brooklyn might have had something to do with her social consciousness and desire to help others.

Also, I'm pretty sure babs has never publicly wished that her political enemies be killed in a terror attack as Coulter has, In fact, I've never heard her talking trash about anyone.

Another difference is that Babs has a cadre of close friends and a life filled with family and love.

Coulter, in her Miami Beach pad, always close to gay pal Matt Sludge strikes me as nothing but a bitter old fag hag. Hell, she couldn't even find herself a decent fag.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:24 PM
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22. Barbara has web site.
I dont have it, but maybe is barbarastreisand.com...where she does express her political views..maybe one oy you can find it..it is pretty good..i just have not followed it of late.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:39 PM
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24. If it wasn't her, they'd just pick someone else to hate
I must have missed all of Streisand's columns, books, pundit-show appearances where she talks politics (not songs or movies), if she's supposed to be the "left equivalent" of the Coulter-geist. Somehow the repetition factor just isn't there.

It really doesn't matter, and it wouldn't matter if Babs didn't say anything anywhere. She's just a "target of opportunity. If it wasn't her, the Demonizing Dipwits of the Right would just find another one.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:40 PM
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25. She's extremely partisan, but she isn't a nutjob like Coulter is.
Read her website. She's intelligent and thoughtful, certainly on the left, and a a hardcore Democrat who hates stupidity.

I admit I went through a period where I bought the image the media sells of Streisand as a radical left wing Hollywood type, but, as is so often true, that's a gross oversimplification. Once I actually paid attention, I found myself liking the person behind the image. If your friend is truly a centrist, I bet reading some of what Streisand writes would change their mind at least some, as it did mine. The Democrats are damn lucky to have someone of Streisand's intelligence and passion on their side.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 04:55 PM
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30. I have enjoyed her very Democratic website for a long time now
Here is her website for anyone interested.

http://barbrastreisand.com/statements.html#inthedark
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Miss Marmelstein Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 05:39 PM
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31. I found DU by going to her website....
she has had excellent articles about this mis-administration and I found one article that had a link to DU. And you can tell by my DU name that I am a huge fan of Miss Streisand.
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