Where are the people in Bush's past that hate him?

[Rick in Maryland]

I guess we now know that there is no shortage of people from John Kerry's past that hate him. People who he served with in the military. Say what you will about the organization Swiftboat Veterans For Truth. One thing is clear that these guys really hate John Kerry. A lot of these guys have earned the same awards and commendations that John Kerry earned in Vietnam. I am having a hard time thinking that all these guys are lying scum-balls. There are too many of them to simply group them all as dishonorable liars.

On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be anyone from W's past that hate him. At least I am not seeing or hearing from any of them. Don't get me wrong, there is no shortage of people that hate George W. Bush. It's just that it seems none of these people have ever actually known him. They have never had a relationship with him on any level. John Kerry has lots of people in his past that really hate him today. That bothers me.

[MikeG]

1. Pushing up daisies.

[ixion]

3. yep, that was my first answer, too

[lottie244]

16. They are all wealthy so they won't come out against him even if they

despise him. It's just the way it is.

[Window]

70. LOL! That's the very first thing that popped into my head, too.

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[Fenris]

2. There probably all dead.

[0rganism]

69. dead, blackmailed, or bought-off

That's how the bush crime family operates.

[NMDemDist2]

4. great DU minds think alike n/t

[HEyHEY]

5. But how often does something like this show up?

I also might add it has do with the fact repubs are big on character assasination so they dig these people up

[Cleita]

6. The swiftboat vets have been totally discredited.

Randi Rhodes talked about it on her radio show today. Edited about transcript. I guess they don't post them. Maybe someone recorded it.

[jeff30997]

7. Where are they ?

My guess is they have been warned to shut up or they didn't take the warning seriously and they're at the bottom of the sea with concrete boots.

[Nordic]

8. there's plenty. They don't get any press

Just a couple of months ago, a letter was signed by dozens of career diplomats from both sides of the fence.

It was ignored by the media.

Scientists from the US and around the world who are familiar, and who have worked with, GWB's "science" policies have done the same.

They have been ignored by the media.

There are plenty of people in Texas who despise him and are quite willing to speak up about it, and who have tried.

They have been ignored by the media.

You are letting the media's bias cloud your perceptions.

[xchrom]

9. you live in maryland, timbuktu?

or maryland, nepal?
or maryland, mars?

[leftofthedial]

10. he never did anything to cause people to notice him

one way or the other

[patdem]

12. Exactly...when you spend your life doing NOTHING

you do not make mistakes...cept..george did do drugs and alcohol alot...but when you have NO voting record..cause you were too drunk and disabled to even VOTE..how can you make enemies???

[devilgrrl]

11. Babs "Livia Soprano" had them all whacked!

Especially that jewess that had the gall to date their wasp son in the '60's.

[xchrom]

13. i thought laura ran them over.

[sweetladybug]

15. Bush's enemies are afraid of being ANTHAXED or murdered

some other way. Anyone he speaks out against the Appointed President is made into a terrible lying Democrat and is slandered to the ground and if that doesn't stop them they are no longer allowed to live. People are scared shitless of these people in charge of our country.

[DrWeird]

14. There have been a number of people...

Former college professors, former girlfriends, nobody in the TANG remembers him...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

17. You say they "never had a relationship with him"

Erm, neither did the Swiftboat vets really since they didn't even serve in the same platoon as Kerry.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

18. Also since so many Swiftboat vets changed their story about Kerry

They liked him when they KNEW him back in the day.

[iconoclastic cat]

19. Well, if you count the last 4 years as the past,

then I'd say there are at least about 49,230.

[elfin]

20. Paid off or sitting in cushy Bush arranged jobs they don't want to lose nt

[ElementaryPenguin]

21. Here they are!

http://bushbodycount.com/

[louis c]

25. Coming Tuesday, September 14th

to a book store near you.

Kitty Kelly's expose' co-authored with Neil Bush's ex-wife.

Twenty years of true stories about the most evil F**king family that ever graced this nation.

Included will be Neil's one million dollar S&L ripoff, and daddy's intervention so he got just a slap on the wrist. Georgie"s drug use and alcoholism. as well as his assistance in getting his pregnant girl fiend an abortion (the Christian Coalition should love that one), and much more.

We'll be hearing some freeper whining on that day.

I can't F**king wait.

[smirkymonkey]

50. I am chomping at the bit waiting for that book to come out!

Not like we need any more reasons to hate them, but still....I love it when people dish the dirt on the hypocritical and sanctimonious.

[shanti]

38. touche'!

n/t

[July]

22. Sorry, but to me you sound disingenuous.

And I apologize in advance if I am wrong.

Why are you taking the scum boaters as serious critics? Don't you know by now that the Bush team will say anything and do anything to maintain power? Didn't Dole's complete sacrificing of his integrity tell you anything?

But, gee whiz, "nobody hates Dubya." That must be because he's so loveable.

Sorry, but my bullshit detector is ringing. If you know the facts, you won't be offering this "heck, how could it be that so many people hate Kerry, but nobody hates Bush" line.

We didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

[Vickers]

35. My thought exactly..."That bothers me." Oh? That bothers you?

Does it bother you that the Swift Boat Liars all have ties to the Republican Party?

Does it bother you that Georgie likes war but wouldn't volunteer to go when it was HIS fucking turn?

Does it bother you that he won't go to a fucking military funeral for some kid he sent to die for a LIE?

DOES THAT FUCKING BOTHER YOU, TOO?

Yeah, that shit bothers me, too.

[Rick in Maryland]

64. You ever attend a military funeral that a VIP attended to show

his "respect"? I have. The VIP ends up turning the funeral into something not about the person that is dead, about about them. They become the center of attention, not the person being honored.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest the George W. Bush has not attended a military funeral. How many has John Kerry attended? He could tell the family just why he voted to send their loved one to Iraq and get killed. John Kerry must like war too because he voted to send the troops to Iraq. He brings up his experiences in Vietnam every chance he gets.

[Sterling]

65. You seem to lreally like Bush and have an ax to grind with Kerry.

Granted I won't pretend Kerry made the right choice on Iraq but going out of your way to defend Bush's disregard for the lives he is directly responsible for ending is really slimey don't you think?

[Rick in Maryland]

66. Like Bush? I think he is the worst President we have ever had. I don't

believe in binary politics. I don't believe that if you don't like one, you must like the other.

[Sterling]

67. I was refering to the fact you think it's ok that he ignore the dead

In his wake.

[Rose Siding]

23. HS aquaintee, Ivins wrote some books

And what kind of "relationship" do you think the SBVs had with Kerry?

[blm]

24. Too SCARED to come forward or too DEAD to come forward.

.

[stavka]

26. He's that stupid kid nobody liked, or even paid attention to...

I don't see him with many pre-Texas governor stint "friends" either.

[LostInAnomie]

27. I'm sure there is a dealer out there somewhere..

... that W shortchanged on a 8 ball of dope but he's not willing to step forward.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

28. They're all DEAD dude.

[linazelle]

47. Yeah small planes and "suicides" and dementia...oh my

[Blue Wally]

29. Reading between the lines

I am not so sure that I would have liked John Kerry very much if I had served with him in Vietnam. We had an officer like that in our battalion in VN, always wanting to get a medal for this and that thing. Battalion commander always blew him off every tiome until end of tour he gave him a Army Commendation Medal. Guy wanted a Silver Star for beating off an attack by a couple of lone harrassers with half a company. Given the movies kerry took and strutting around in a boonie hat, I am not surprized that the other officers took a dislike to him.

I am for John Kerry for president as the only alternative to four more years of Bush. I wished that he had kept his damn mouth shut about Vietnam and had laid out a progressive package of economic and social programs instead of the "I served in Vietnam" mantra that just opened him up to challenge.

[July]

36. What is "an officer like that"?

You sound as if you are buying the BS these discredited liars are selling.

Another view: Kerry was a leader. He was one of those outstanding guys with guts who did his job under difficult circumstances (a view borne out by the statements of those above him in the Navy).

You imply Kerry "wanted a Silver Star" but offer no proof -- because there is none. Do you know the casualty rates for swift boaters? And you still imply that over 30 years before the fact, Kerry was angling for medals instead of trying to keep himself and his crewmen alive? For shame.

Don't know if the smear boaters were officers or not, but they dislike him because they're Republicans and he's not, and because he decided that the Vietnam War was a mistake and said so, while their view of their own glory depends on the VN war being some kind of success.

"Reading between the lines" = making shit up. Sorry, that's how I see it. Offer some evidence, or stop slinging innuendo.

[smirkymonkey]

51. Hey, at least Kerry SERVED!!

which is more than anybody can say for the nancy boys in the White House.

[lolly]

30. Gary Trudeau

Knew him in college. Talked about him in Rolling Stone about a month ago.

[HuskerDem]

31. They're right here............

[The_Casual_Observer]

32. "no shortage of people from John Kerry's past that hate him"

I wouldn't go that far. However, there are some ex-military nut cases who are still fighting the Vietnam War who have dogged Kerry forever because of his involvement in the VVATW. chimp wouldn't have a group dogging him from the past, since he never did anything worth a damn to anyone or anything prior to screwing up everything after 2000.

[Hekate]

33. Remember the former Bush Treasury Secretary who said ...

..."I'm an old man, what can they do to me?" while touting his tell-all book on a talk show?

I couldn't believe my ears; my immediate thought was "They'll think of something," and that he shouldn't tempt fate like that.

The very next day he was making public retractions so profusely that I wondered which of his grandchildren the Bush minions had held over an open fire.

Naah. I don't think personal acquaintances speak out if they know what's good for them. :scared:

Hekate

[Gwerlain]

34. Can you say...

Molly Ivins?

[EndElectoral]

37. Most were probably so drunk they didn't know the non-entity was there

[genius]

39. Dead, like Margie Shoedinger and Jim Hatfield.

[Name removed]

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

49. All I said was the post originator hasn't returned to this thread

hence a "Post-And-Run"

I'm still waiting for Rick to come back and respond.

[Rick in Maryland]

63. Post and run? Didn't know I had to stick around for a set amount of time

and monitor the thread. I have a life. I have things I need to do. Reading most of the responses it seems my presence was in fact very much not needed.

Look, Kerry never was "my guy". I didn't vote for him in the primaries even though he had all but locked in the nomination by that point. He wasn't even my second choice. Truth of the matter, he wouldn't even have been my third choice for the Democratic nomination.

All that is history. It doesn't matter, since he has the Democratic nomination. It's just that he never really represented my ideas or my principles. The most important issue to me is the Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation. He voted for the war in Iraq. He has also since said that if he had to do it over again even knowing that Iraq does not have WMD's, he would have still voted for the war in Iraq. He also has said that if he is elected President, he will not end the occupation. I really don't know how that is supposed to get me all excited about him.

I wish a true Kerry supporter, someone that supported him BEFORE Iowa could explain to me why Kerry's experiences in Vietnam are important. Why these experiences are important today. Even though he saw the horrors of war first hand, he still voted for the war in Iraq. Says that he would do it again.

He was the one that made a big thing about the men he served with over there. He was the one that had them ride with him in a boat in Boston. I watched it on C-SPAN. He was the one that had them accompany him to the stage in Boston. He was the one that made us feel as though what Vietnam veterans had to say about him was somehow important. Who's opinion should we listen to? Vietnam veterans that served with him or only Vietnam veterans that don't hate him that served with him ? It seems like a double standard.

[Sterling]

68. Yes it is polite to take part in a thread you initiated.

Usually it happens while the thread is active not after it has achieved over 60 posts and people have moved on.

It is considered rude to post a thread and not respond promptly to the replies. this is also a disrupter tactis most DUers are familiar with.

[louis c]

56. kick

[Bridget Burke]

41. The Swiftboats have been thoroughly discredited

Most of them didn't know him at all. They're lying scumballs--even if such a concept is beyond you.

Bush has had a lackluster past. Forget enemies--have you heard about any friends of Bush? He made the minimum number of appearances while fulfilling his military obligation. He had a couple of failed businesses. And it could be quite dangerous to come out with anything negative about him; easier to be paid off.

About his years in Texas politics--I'm not the first to suggest the works of Molly Ivins. You'd learn a lot from her. If you ever return to this thread.

[bleedingheart]

42. Generously rewarded with enough money to keep them quiet

I read in one of the anti-Bush books about how the Bush family does a very good job of keeping people happy with jobs that they don't deserve to keep their mouths shut.

[wishlist]

43. His college professor has spoken out about Bush's close-minded ways

and how Bush was scornful of people who are not well off and made several hateful remarks.

Bushco is officially not allowing any of his National Guard commanders or any military commanders at the Pentagon to say anything about his 'service' or lack of. This is a matter of public record.

A while back, there was an article out by a man in Texas who knew about Bush's military records being thrown away. He had a long career with the federal govt but ended up threatened and disgraced because he spoke out about irregularities with Bush's Natl Guard records. Of course the mainstream media did not give this coverage.

Bush seems to have no friends either, probably because his friends are people like Ken Lay and James Bath who have been involved in fraud and corruption in their business interests or have close associations with undesirable people, so Bush distances himself and the public never finds about about these unsavory friendships.

[ComerPerro]

44. I honestly don't believe there are people from his past that hate him

Now, bear with me.

Lets assume that you are living in the sixties, seventies, eighties. Before Bush was a threat to the free world, back when he was just the alcoholic, drugged-up son of a rich and important family.

Odds are that people who knew him either really liked him (because he was a good time, party guy and someone that people may percieve as a likeable, harmless idiot) or you thought he was a moron and completely full of shit. If the latter were the case, you probably didn't hate him. It would be more likely that you decided you didn't want to know him, and avoided him.

I know that when I meet someone like Bush (the drunken, arrogant moron, not the Hitler wannabe) I usually go out of my way to never interact with them again.

So, where are the people from Bush's past that disliked him? They probably wrote him off as a worthless human being and forgot he was even alive.

[wishlist]

45. People know they will face retaliation either from Bushco or crazy RWers

if they speak out against him, it's quite likely that they will be threatened, disgraced, ruined, humiliated and lose their livelihoods and reputations.

[democrat_patriot]

46. Guantanamo.

[Carolina]

48. dead, disappeared, buried or burned (in many ways) ...

the BFEE has its ways. I am currently reading Mark Crispin Miller's new book Cruel and Unusual. An apt title. Among other things -- many other sobering things -- it talks about the scary consequences of challenging *. I can only read a little at a time before I put it aside because of the feeling of utter hopelessness against this devil spawn.

Despite Paul O'Neill's comment: "I'm an old, rich white guy ... what can they do to me?" after his revelatory remarks on 60 Minutes, the facts show, the BFEE can and has done plenty! :scared:

[gulliver]

52. Bullshit.

Nuff said.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

53. Where are the people who liked him?

I don't mean drinking buddies and frat brothers, or ass-kissers or family hangers-on. I mean real friends from his past who genuinely think he is a great guy. Have we heard from any of them? Any stories about how he brought grocieries to the old lady down the street, or got a cat out of a tree, or volunteered at a food shelf, or helped the Cub Scouts or the PTA or the Humane Society? Collected money for the United Way? Ushered at his church? Coached Little League games?

I didn't think so.

Useless f*ck.

[GoldenOldie]

54. You First Have to be Involved with People!

It appears that Georgie W. Bush hasn't really been personally involved with any group or individuals that could offer any form of opinion of him.

He apparently has never formed a close relationship with anyone within his peer group either from childhood, college, TANG or through his personal business enterprises like ARBUSTO and his endeavors in his ballclub in Houston. Why do none of his supporters question this fact??? He tends to be a loner supported only by daddies compatriots???

[vetwife]

57. I agree...He is a loner ...Even his church disagreed on Iraq

He is a bunker sitter, he and Cheney move in the darkness of secrets.

[SoCalDem]

55. Bought off, or scared silly.....n/t

:(

[ProfessorGAC]

58. Let's Find Some Harken or Arbusto Investors

Let's see how they feel about Li'l Georgie. Methinks some hatred may be there to be found.
The Professor

[dad]

62. .

I remember a guy on the board of Harken gave an interview somewhere. He was brutally honest about Bush; thought he was a dumbass; openly admitted that they just wanted him for his connections.

[Francine Frensky]

59. It's the loyalty thing, stupid.

Bush has this loyalty thing going. To be in his "club", to know him well, you have to sign a loyalty oath. Not the stupid kind he makes commoners sign to see him, but instead, you have to act loyal and always be loyal, or you're out of the club and on your own and at the mercy of the rest of the club. It's fear-and-reward based, you show loyalty, you get loyalty, even if/when you screw up your job (example A: Rummy).

If you are the kind of person who will join such a club, then right there, from the start, you are not the kind who will later rat on your friend.

[bagnana]

60. what a load of crap

Most of the SBV don't know Kerry they hate him because he testified against the war and told the TRUTH about atrocities occurring there. Sorry if you are "troubled" but blame the unbridled ferocity and hatred of the Republican party members because that is exactly what you are seeing.

[PATRICK]

61. No national forum

There have been Republicans who told all about their disgust with the young W. Real dirt is something else, but the fact is they are not making multi-million dollar ads, simply speaking their minds to any who cared to listen

And in the media those were precious few and rarely.

If you dressed it up in an ad campaign and organization Kerry would be getting even worse press than he is now for simply defending himself. Again the NYT and WP are playing to the game of allowing the tar to stick even if illegitimate by not a) fingering Bush for the lies and dirt b) implying Kerry is no better(though Bush has not been held to account!)because he is using Vietnam too. Subtly, the ruse is working nastily to undercut Kerry's impressive service revelations about his tested character and bury it in Vietnam divisions, angst and the "wisdom" that people don't care about military records. Which is spitefully, cynically, the wrong conclusion about the issue. It's about CHARACTER, stupid. The Kerry story allows dramatic and strong character proof that Bush decided to provoke instead of letting it go mute as in past elections.

How they howled when Gore brought out that 2000 ad with the black being killed in a hate crime. Witnesses against Bush are not enthusiastic about their chances of being fairly heard. Being decent people, they are even less tempted. And the real bad stuff? Fear or collusion.

You have to note how the conventional wisdom that "mud works" is enforced and enabled by the media which trots out the SAME judgments and lines the same way in every GOP/Dem contest regardless of the merits. These impartial judges scorn the fray, and then work to depress the voters- which also is a clear GOP aim. Then they whine piously how Amercians don't get out and vote and encourage people to do so!

They seem to have done a remarkably lousy job of informing the people about even the most obvious myths or scandals of the Bush dynasty. A simple revelation and ordinary people are jolted as if it is suddenly snowing in August- which may happen during Bush's second term.