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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:07 PM
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BBV: An inside report on our demonstration to California Secy of State
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 11:07 PM by BevHarris
I assume Andy didn't already post this. (I've been tied up with other projects, not able to get on DU much). Things are surreal, folks:

On August 8, the CNBC show aired where I showed part of the GEMS hack to Howard Dean.

On August 9, California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley called me at home. "I had no idea," he said, and asked me to fill him in on everything about the problems with GEMS. Then it started to get weird.

"Sure, I'll come to Sacramento next week to show you. It's worse than the hack I showed Howard Dean," I said.

The GEMS hack affects both touch screens and paper ballot optical scan systems, used in over 30 states. The double set of books is specifically designed to enable a hacked election to pass a paper ballot spot check audit, like the 1% spot check used in California.

Kevin Shelley is not available (fairly terrible political problems right now, involving campaign finance problems and other situations). I called his right hand man, Mark Kyle, who wanted to stall the meeting for after the formal meeting by the California Voting Panel, set up for Aug 18. I called my attorney, an election law specialist, Lowell Finley. "Uh-oh," he said. "They may be trying to stall you until after they certify the new GEMS version, because after that it's too late. California law doesn't allow decertification this close to an election."

So I headed down to California for the Voters Panel meeting Aug. 18. Jim March -- I know, he's controversial and can be unconventional -- but he was brilliant!

"Bev, can you demonstrate the full hack in 3 minutes?" he asked. While the meeting was progressing I set it up on my laptop. He went to the podium and gave a rousing account of how Galileo once set up a telescope -- but when he tried to get officials to look through it, no one would, because it was politically incorrect. It violated the beliefs of the church at that time.

"In July 2003, Bev put the telescope there for us to see what's really inside GEMS," he said. "I looked. Last week, Howard Dean also looked through the telescope. Bev is here, right now, with her laptop. My question to you, the California Voting Systems Panel, is this: Will you look?"

The panel shifted uncomfortably in their chairs. I had already been alloted 3 minutes to speak, and I can demonstrate the hack in less than three minutes. They finally said, "No, uh, we've already dealt with that."

They REFUSED TO LOOK.

When asked HOW they'd "dealt with it" Mark Kyle said a meeting had been set up for the following week. After the meeting, I asked him when, but he couldn't commit to a time.

I went to three Diebold execs -- well, actually, two guys from Diebold and one damage control guy (they paid $92,000 to the damage control firm in June). I asked, "Will you look through the telescope? After all, you'll have to answer questions about this."

Diebold said no. Instead, they went behind closed doors and demonstrated the Diebold "AVVPAT" system -- Accessible Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail." This was done in private and appears to be a violation of the California Public Meetings laws. Internal documents we have obtained imply that their solution is VoteHere. We have requested more information on exactly what it is that they demonstrated.

I then went to Deborah Hensch, a county registrar in a Diebold county, who came to testify against security measures. "Will you look through the telescope?" I asked. She said no.

I then invited anyone who dared to look to the bistro across the street, where I demonstrated the double set of books to Kim Alexander, Dennis Paull, Margarite Smith, and others. California computer advisor David Jefferson came, and I demonstrated it to him.

"I can't think of ANY legitimate reason for this to be in there," he said. He also said there is no way this should be used in a voting system.

Dr. Jefferson bet me an "expensive dinner" that despite this illegitimate, no-way-it-should-be-there problem with the central tabulator, he said he does not believe California will do the things necessary to mitigate the risk.

I began chasing Mark Kyle around the table to lock in that meeting. I met with 60 Minutes for several hours. I spoke with Time Magazine and The Washington Post.

I lined up a computer security expert (Hugh Thompson) and found an elections official who had run the GEMS program in a county with 1.4 million voters, who had eyewitness testimony on who was programming GEMS during the time the double set of books was put in (it happened just before the presidential election in October, 2000).

We all trooped down to California for the meeting which, remember, Kevin Shelley had personally called me to request.

First, the Secretary of State's office nixed the 60 Minutes film crew. Then they refused to allow the reporter to even attend the meeting. Plan B: ParanoidPat and his kick-ass camera crew. Plan C: Andy Stephenson with his magic video.

We began the meeting. The moment Mark Kyle saw the cameras, he said "no way."

Then they lawyered up: The meeting was halted for an hour as they went to get the counsel for the secretary of state's office and the defense counsel for the S.O.S. from the California Attorney General's office.

They made these stipulations:
1) No video. (Sorry, ParanoidPat. Pat's awesome, by the way)
2) No recording
3) No requests for notes
4) You cannot use this meeting against us.

Now why would they do this?

One reason: In my lawsuit, paragraph 2, filed in November 2003, we exposed the double set of books in GEMS. The California Attorney General and the S.O.S. office should therefore have known about the problem, yet they ran an election with this flaw anyway on March 2, 2004. Once you know how to trigger it, it takes only minutes to find the problem. Yet, they asked no questions and apparently did not bother to look for it in the GEMS 1.18.18 software used in the presidential primary.

Smoking gun document

But that's no excuse for not correcting it in the next version, GEMS 1.18.19.

On April 21, I revealed to the California Voting Systems Panel in a public meeting the existence of a document which proved that Diebold, though it had updated and supposedly upgraded the GEMS program, DID NOT CORRECT THE PROBLEM.

California officials knew. Yet they did nothing to mitigate the risks.

I told Mark Kyle that one reason for the meeting was to make sure they were personally aware of the GEMS problem, which appears to have been put there intentionally. I told him that yes, if they go ahead and use GEMS without correcting the problem and without implementing appropriate security improvements, we would hold them accountable. We would also hold them accountable if they refused to look.

We did the demo. The GEMS double set of books appeared right on schedule, after invoking the 2-digit trigger in the secret location,which decouples the books.

Then Hugh Thompson, the security expert, showed how to bypass the weak security that California had put in (removing the MS Access program from the county computer). He showed how to go in via phone modem and also by implanting a 6-line text file, a Visual Basic script that gives total control of the central tabulator. When asked how many people have access, it turns out that thousands have the telephone access codes (it is given to the pollworkers, and Diebold temps as well). When asked how many people in the U.S. have the ability to write that 6-line text script, it turns out that tens of thousands do.

The CPA shook his head. David Jefferson, at one point, clapped his hand to his forhead and rolled back in his chair. One voting panel guy went to sleep. Mark Kyle left the meeting early.

Then we presented the evidence of exactly who it was who put in this double set of books, and the evidence that it was intentional.

Then we presented solutions.

Then they ignored us and made no indication that they will do anything at all. One guy took notes, but when asked if he had any questions, or would like a synopsis of the security measures that would mitigate risks, he said no.

WHAT'S NEXT:

We are seeking a venue to demonstrate this using real machines. We will also be doing something in the next few days, and until it's done, we aren't telling exactly what. We have been arranging with film crews to cover this and disseminate the film. Canadian TV flew down on Aug 23 and filmed the GEMS hack with Jim March demonstrating it.

Here's what I think:

We should, everywhere, go and confront election officials and especially secretaries of state to ask them to look. We should do so on video, documenting it if they refuse to look. We should set up demo meetings with as many public officials as possible, and document that they have seen it. This makes them accountable, you see. It is akin to having a car with a gas tank that explodes: If you know it, and you choose to do nothing, you are liable.

We're thinking of producing a "Hack Along with BBV" CD for citizens, like you, to practice with and take to your own public officials to ask them: "Will you look?"

What you need:

1) a laptop with Windows 2000 or XP
2) MS Access 2000
3) chutzpah

Bev Harris
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:27 PM
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1. I was a bit melodramatic in the meeting...I asked the public officials...
"What will it take for you to get rid of Diebold? Bob Urosevitch standing over a dead body holding a dripping kinfe"?

They again shifted uncomfortable in their chairs.

What a rich meeting...I love to make public officials squirm.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. LOL ANDY!
I missed that line! Now I feel a whole lot better about asking "how many people with torches and pitch forks is it going to take.....?" question. :evilgrin:

BTW, Bev, the tape we did get of them demanding the cameras be turned off and their lawyers be present is probably better than any reaction shots we could have gotten during the demo. :)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. Can you get that converted to QuickTime?
Love to see it.

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. Yeah...I want a copy too
:hi:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. I know I can do .AVI and .MPEG......
.......but I'm not sure that I have software loaded to do it in QT (.MOV, .VP3(?)) :shrug:

I'll see what I can come up with. Where's Wonk when you need him? :)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #17
22. Send me the AVI and I can convert it to
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 12:12 AM by God_bush_n_cheney
.mov


check your pm's.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Ah yes, Urosevich: The guy that has apparently been let go
According to internal sources, it happened after our visit to McKinney.

In the Diebold style, removing people is done by paying them an ongoing salary to step aside and shut the hell up.

Rumor is, the new guy is David Ashworth, who is out of Alabama. I'm not sure he's doing the whole election division -- might be just taking over the printing division. Anyone know anything about him?

Andy, do your thing tonite. I'm dying to know what it reveals about Ashworth and the other two musketeers.

Bev
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. David Ashworth
from 1998

Hart Information Services, a subsidiary of Hart Graphics Inc., merged April 24 with Computer Link Corp., a Tuscaloosa, Ala., printing firm specializing in election materials. The company did about $2.5 million in business last year and has about 15 employees.

Computer Link founders David Ashworth and Dorothy Pegues will continue to manage the Tuscaloosa office.

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/1998/05/04/story8.html
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:05 PM
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8. Hmmm I wonder where he is from
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 11:06 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
originally...Any Idea HG?

Oh look he is originally from Alabama based on info I have..

Wow I am quick.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. Found a document that lists them both as Hart Intercivic
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 11:30 PM by starroute
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:pPxPEV5tFDkJ:ssl.doas.state.ga.us/PRSapp/bid-documents/0298000GTA000040_3918.doc+%22dorothy+pegues%22&hl=en

It's just a list of meeting participants -- nothing very interesting. But it does give both David Ashworth and Dorothy Pegues as Hart Intercivic. That's a name I have the feeling I've seen before, though I can't recall where.

On edit: Oh, of course. Heavy-duty electronic voting stuff. Well, I guess you know a lot more about that than I do.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:34 PM
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18. Well, I did find this in the Google cache
Trying to click on the link directly brings up an error message. But it's there in the cache:
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:ZzuSgfNyGTYJ:www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m4PRN/2001_Oct_24/79392994/p1/article.jhtml+%22hart+intercivic%22+ashworth&hl=en

Georgia Voters Prepare to Test Secure, Accessible and Easy-to-Use Electronic Voting System From Hart InterCivic.
PR Newswire, Oct 24, 2001

Voters in Canton and Rome will be some of the first in the State of Georgia to use the Hart InterCivic eSlate(TM) electronic voting system as part of a pilot project being conducted on Election Day by the office of Secretary of State Cathy Cox, Hart InterCivic announced today.

"We are very pleased to have the opportunity to work with the voters of Rome and Canton as part of this pilot project," said David Ashworth, general manager for the Southeastern Division of Hart InterCivic. "It is a privilege to work with election officials from the office of Georgia Secretary of State Cathy Cox, who is an innovator and leader in the field and is respected by election professionals throughout the country."



(Cathy Cox? Ouch! I sure remember that name.)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. HOLY SHIT!!!!
Bev call me!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. Naah. I don't think so.
I'll take you up on your bet for a donut.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Dunkin' or Krispy Kream?
The world wants to know! :evilgrin: (To deflect attention away from what you've been trying to point out. ;-))

Also an excuse to..............
:kick: this.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 05:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
36. this inormation is stunning...this makes me wonder if the "fix is in" for
California.... your documentation and and poltical irresponsibility

to what accounts to fraud will enrage people like never before

this has to be stopped before the election...this is a nightmare.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #1
76. Jeez, that sounds exactly like you....
:hi:
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
4. Yeeeeeeow-za !!!
Put me down for the CD version !!!!

Looks like Diebold is making a number of personnel changes.

HG

MCKINNEY, Texas, Aug. 24 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Diebold Election
Systems has appointed Wayne Irvin as compliance officer. He assumes primary responsibility for oversight of the company's federal qualification and state compliance activities.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK3.story&STORY=/www/story/08-24-2004/0002237660&EDATE=TUE+Aug+24+2004,+10:47+AM
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. By the way, your country has a number of these machines
used for municipal elections. It may just be the place where the lid blows off.

Bev
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. I know - and VERY close by, too!!!!!!
Have laptop, will travel.
Have even already, shall we say, introduced the topic to the responsible individual........

Perhaps you can give me a few pointers by email or PM.

HG :9
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. For anyone who wants the demo - you can do it right now
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 12:14 AM by BevHarris
I think you can download the initial demo files at Jim March's site, just google Jim March and GEMS. Download GEMS and the Cobb County vote database.

I think it's here: www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html

I usually clean out the vote file so you can easily see what the heck is going on. Not sure what's on his site, but the simple instructions are this:

Demo prep

- Install GEMS.

Learn to bypass passwords

- Open GEMS, make a new vote database. Name it "password maker."
- The default password, which has been all over the Internet forever, is (all caps) "GEMSUSER"
- Then, close out and click your C drive -- Program Files -- GEMS -- LocalDB. Double click the "password maker" file. If you have MS Access on your computer, the Password maker file will open right up.
- Go to the "Operator" table and copy the encrypted password.

- Now, open the "Cobb County" mdb file in MS Access and paste the password in. This ridiculous technique lets anyone bypass any county supervisor password.

More demo preparation -- create a clean, easy to view vote set

- Go to the "CandidateCounter" table and in the total votes, clean it out: Just do a search and replace of all number values and set all votes to zero. This is not needed to rig an election; we just do it because it's easier to see what's going on with a stripped down file.

- Also go to the "SumCandidateCounter" table and search/replace all vote totals with "zero"

- Save your work, and make about 5 copies of the database so you can play with it.

The double set of books demo

- Name one file "correct Cobb County Votes".

- Open this in MS Access and go into the CandidateCounter table and enter "800" in the first line and "400" in the second.
- Then go to the second set of books, SumCandidateCounter, and enter the wrong votes, "300" and "900" respectively. Save your work.

- Now open GEMS and open the "correct Cobb County Votes" database.
- Go to the menu item "GEMS" and run a "statement of votes cast" report (this is a detail report, precinct by precinct). You'll see the 800 and 400 amounts from the CandidateCounter table.

- Now, run a "Summary report." With the books coupled up, it should match the CandidateCounter detail report and even though you entered the wrong votes in the second table, all reported votes will be correct.

Decouple the two sets of books: Rig the election

- Name another copy of the file "funky Cobb County votes"
- Email Andy Stephenson at this address: coppertop98125@yahoo.com and he'll tell you the secret location and the 2-digit code which will decouple the 2 sets of books.

- Enter that code in the right place while in MS Access.

- Put the 400 and 800 in CandidateCounter, and the 900 and 300 in SumCandidateCounter. Save and go to GEMS.

- Run the detail report, and you'll see how it pulls vote data from CandidateCounter. Run the Summary Report, and see how it pulls the wrong vote totals, using the hidden vote table which is now decoupled from the real votes.

The meltdown demo

- Make a file called "meltdown." (You can only do this demo once, by the way). Sometimes I like to do this demo with all the votes in there, not with the stripped down version.

- Now, go into GEMS. In six seconds you can create havoc -- just go to the menu item "GEMS" and choose "reset election" and opt NOT to have a backup created. Run your reports -- guess what? You just wiped out the database. Other ways to do a six-second meltdown: You can go into the setup menu, top item ("election") and unclick the boxes that show the election was set up. Get rid of everything -- by resetting the setup files you melt down the whole thing and it can't easily be reconstructed even by re-uploading all the votes.

Now, think about how absurd this is: First, we know that election officials are not even keeping written lists of who accesses GEMS during the middle of election night. The media, candidates, everyone is there, it's a zoo.

Six seconds. Election gone. Or, you can alter the vote undetectably, in a way that will PASS PAPER BALLOT SPOT CHECKS, in just seconds, by triggering the second set of books.

===============

I ask you: Why the heck is this in a vote-counting program???

The GEMS central tabulator, in Los Angelos County, will count 2.5 million votes -- 2.5% of the national election this fall. The GEMS tabulator in King County will count 1 million votes; in San Diego, another million; in Alameda County, another million. In Georgia, millions more, and in Maryland, more millions. You'll also find the GEMs tabulator in Colorado, New Hampshire, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, Arizona, Minnesota, Alaska, and many, many more states.

The GEMS tabulator will count about 50 percent of the election this fall, and it counts both optical scan and touch screen votes, and also absentee votes.

Sorry, but it's NOT TOO LATE to put in measures to mitigate risks.

Bev Harris


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NoMoreMrNiceGuy Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:02 PM
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7. Please, DUers keep this KICKED
I'm new to DU and I didn't realize a person of Bev's stature actually posted here. This is obviously very important and as many people as possible need to view her post...so keep kicking this post. I would personally like to help out but I fail on 2 of the 3 criteria she laid out plus I live in Texas where they wouldn't feel the need to rig the election. I would just like to say I have the greatest admiration for you...(Ms.,Mrs.,Miss)Harris this country needs alot more people like you, thank you for your service and please continue to post here.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:12 PM
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11. Ah -- Texas! One of our board members is in Austin
Dallas County has a big Election Protection crew going out in the field. Don't count on the honesty of any Texas election, by the way. The urban communities keep getting robbed of their voice, and some very interesting things happen with the Latino vote in Texas.

Also, Collin County uses Diebold. You've got Diebold in El Paso and McKinney, ES&S in Dallas, Hart in Austin.

Lots to do. Welcome to DU! Wait a day or two until we have the new web site populated with stories in the new consumer report format, and then amble over there to join the Texas forum!

Bev Harris
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Hello NoMoreMrNiceGuy!
Your local election officials should recognize your honest face.

:kick:
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blue agave Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:17 PM
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12. Kick (n/t)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:31 PM
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16. I don't feel good about this.
I am almost sixty five years of age. I have a really sore arthritic foot but I have been climbing hills and canyons where I live here in California for a couple of hours a week trying to get the vote out. It is really hard for me. I am asthmatic as well and am often out of breath climbing these hills. But if this is all going to be stolen again? I am really pissed!
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:05 AM
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21. kick
You go Bev ! They can't spin this one.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:20 AM
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24. Oh Tinfoilhatprogrammer...
Where are you?

echo echo echo......



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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. Oh DAMN! Be careful what you wish for.......
.......you just might get it! :evilgrin: :toast:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:43 AM
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27. Well, maybe THP is Urosevich (...gone, I guess)
Or maybe one of the others who have been fired.

In fact, so many of the experienced staff are gone, and so many temps are toiling away -- making mistakes, from what I understand -- that even Diebold's top brass is worried about their ability to pull the election off this fall.

Number of counties getting Diebold support, General Election, 2002: 200
Number of counties getting Diebold support, March 2004 primary: 200
Number of counties slated for Diebold support, Nov. 2004: 600

Triple the load, with less experienced staff, many of whom are pissed off.

To lighten the atmosphere, they have "I hate Bev Harris" meetings. In one, a staff member stood up and said "I know you say she's a nut and a kook, but is there anything she's ever said that's not been true?" (He has been suspended.)

David Ashworth, who professes to be a devout Christian, displays a mighty foul mouth during these meetings. Hey, Mr. Ashworth, I am an actual Christian, don't ram it down people's throats like you do, and if you were for real you'd not call me those extremely profane names. And I am probably old enough to be your mother. Tsk tsk.

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Now Bev...this is just plain untrue........
"Triple the load, with less experienced staff"

They did after all "increased the head count by one".

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:55 AM
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30. LOL. I forgot about that
Yup, increasing the staff by one (inexperienced) person solves it all. No worries.

Hey, I found an ad on hotjobs.com, or yahoojobs, or monster.com -- some such thing. Looking for temps in Georgia to work the elections, computer experience wanted, and says they should be "road warriors." The position lasts for two weeks.

I feel better now, don't you?

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. ummmmm yes.
:eyes:

Hey...you should post the ad here for those out of work DUer's.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. Hey! I need a job!
Andy, can I borrow your shirt? :evilgrin:

Have to look good at the interview don't ya know. :)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. I have another one that would look far nicer on you.
Blue would go with your eyes.

:evilgrin:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:48 AM
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29. He should have his mouth washed out with soap.
I wonder if he uses that mouth to kiss his mother with?

A fine example of a fundie :puke:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 04:33 AM
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34. kick
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 05:00 AM
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35. great work- bev, andy, et al- vote bureaucrats stunningly crooked n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:22 AM
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37. Have you shown this to Michael Moore's cameras?
You should. Is 60 minutes doing a piece on this? Did you do the hack on camera for them?

WHY the hell aren't our Democratic Politicians SCREAMING about this? Is this a case of...OUR hacker is better than YOUR hacker? OR WHAT? This has been going on for years and they (Dems) haven't bothered to help you. WHY???????

What political party is Shelley?

Were you dealing with both Dems and repubs in Ca.?

What do they gain by ignoring this? (Democrats) Don't they remember Florida? :grr:



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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. Swarzenegger's staff has just requested a video of the hack
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 09:49 AM by BevHarris
Jim March is arranging it, and may arrange a demo for the Terminator.

This, and George W. ordered a book overnighted a few weeks ago. If the Dems don't make political hay with this issue, I think the Repubs definitely will.

Linda Soubirous, a Republican in California, has a profound lawsuit happening right now, which could turn the course of events in the election this fall by opening up the innards of the machines to any candidate who requests a recount.

It was a Republican, in Virginia, who filed a lawsuit about vote-shaving in the Advance Voting Solutions machines.

So far, the Republicans seem to be much more willing to ACT.

In California, the Attorney General (Bill Lockyer) and the Secretary or State (Kevin Shelley) are both planning to run for governor. It seems idiotic that neither of them has really dealt with this issue, leaving a political highway for the Terminator to use to gain public admiration. Note that Kevin Shelley recently RECERTIFIED Diebold touch screens in two counties, and has declined to force Riverside County to implement polling place tapes, an important auditing measure that can help mitigate risks with the central tabulator.

I respect Kevin Shelley for taking risks last April. Problem is, he backtracked after that and meaningful reform did not happen.

In Ohio, under Republican Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, all touch screens were banned -- actually, a bigger action than anything California did. However, in Ohio, the Diebold central tabulator will count a whole lot of optical scan votes, and remember, the hack enables it to pass a paper ballot spot check. Whatever precinct you check will always match the correct data (pulled from one set of books), just the overall totals will be wrong (pulled from the hidden set of books, if the trigger is invoked).

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #40
58. Wooooo Hoooooo!
This news rocks.

Perhaps Bev should fly to CA and show Arnold in person.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:27 PM
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81. I honestly don't know why you think that's good news
Do you think that Arnold's staff would do the right thing? Or do you think they'd prefer to get their grubby little hands on all the fine details of how to rig the machines themselves?

Call me cynical, but I keep remembering that article I read on the Monday before Arnold "announced" he was running -- on NewsMax, I think -- that the Bush/Cheney campaign saw California and New York "ripe for the picking." In fact, you could probably google that phrase plus either or both states and find it. It SHOULD HAVE BEEN SEEN as sheer lunacy for them to "think" so about either heavily Dem states. So what was the purpose of the article (info fed to one of their more gullible columnists)?

Can you say "backstory"?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:41 PM
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83. Oh, but the manipulators already know how to do it
I suggested showing Arnold. I don't necessarily view this as a partisan issue.

Today, got more news on Georgia. Looks like the kickbacks are flowing through a heavy Dem supporter, an African American.

This is about money and power and corporate greed, and whoever has ethics is unwelcome to win -- or, as they say in campaign parlance, "unelectable." As in "not annointed"

Think about it: If you could rig elections, wouldn't you rig both parties so as to get your favorite person into both positions? In fact, by doing that over a number of years, you could shift where the middle is.

I don't trust Arnold any farther than I can throw him. I also don't trust an attorney general who doesn't ever ask a single question to investigate the truth behind the hack. And I don't trust a secretary of state who decertifies, then runs back and recertifies and waffles on the security he asked for.

I don't trust any of the public officials, but I do trust the sunlight to help with this issue, and you never know what will happen when you keep exposing it. Did any of us dream we'd have gotten this far, just 14 months ago?

By the way, great comments on the MS Access thread, especially the "get a clue" one. Thanks, Eloriel.

Bev
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. Not our good buddy....
you know the one I'm thinking of,good old whassisname?
THAT guy?

HG
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #40
97. I would make Dubya ...
... wait for the book! :evilgrin:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 05:57 PM
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101. Who's going to read it to him?
:shrug: :evilgrin:
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. A bunch of first-graders ...
... much like the ones that were reading My Pet Goat to him on 9-11.

:evilgrin:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:36 AM
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38. fascinating!
and disturbing...

get back up there!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:56 AM
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39. No laptop here, but keeping it kicked! Wow. nt
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:25 AM
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41. quesion and a kick?
is there a way to find out what type of machines/software are used in my area? i am in asheville north carolina, thanks!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:41 AM
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42. Are you in Buncombe County? That appears to be Sequoia
Web page refers to AVC touch screens.

We have an expose on the Sequoia system, and, like Diebold, it is very vulnerable through the central tabulator. If you are in Buncombe County, the central tabulator controls up to 140,000 votes.

Bev
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #42
43. yes, i am in buncombe county
forgive my ignorance, but is there some info out there that could give me a intro into the problems with the system/software?

thanks.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:02 AM
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45. Problems with Sequoia:
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 10:08 AM by BevHarris
1. They have a history of shady characters. One, Phil Foster (who did have his indictment for bribery dropped, but that was based on the fact that the indictment came from his own grand jury testimony, which was later deemed to have granted him immunity) -- well, Phil Foster is still there. I know this because I went into Sequoia to ask if they are capable of outfitting the state of Maryland in a pinch, if Diebold gets the boot. They gave me to Phil Foster to answer that. (This was 10 days ago).

2. The Sequoia central tabulator, WinEDS, can be reprogrammed by anyone with access, during the middle of an election. That is because it contains stored business logic -- rewritable source code -- that is easy to access, and this can be used to shave or change votes.

3. Sequoia has a particular problem with the way it creates the touch screen "ballot" -- anyone who works for the company or the county who is programming in the candidates can tell the touch screen to vote for the wrong candidate when the ballot is in Spanish.

4. Sequoia does have a new machine with a voter verified paper ballot (to be used this fall in parts of Nevada -- but as I understand it, not in Clark County -- Las Vegas -- the biggest population center). However, Buncombe County doesn't have the machine with the paper ballots, and Nevada doesn't have a plan to make use of the paper ballots for a meaningful audit. And in a recent demo of the paper ballot touch screen, it failed to record the Spanish language ballots (urk) -- at least, that's what the paper record said. The Sequoia rep said to trust them, inside the touch screen it was correct.

5. Sequoia had two of its technicians dinking around with the central tabulator during the presidential primary in Riverside, California. The district attorney supposedly did an investigation, because they were observed to upload something that came from a "personal card" in one of their pockets -- interestingly, the D.A. pronounced that no wrongdoing had occurred, but did not interview a single one of the four witnesses to find out what they had seen. The county registrar, Mischelle Townsend, resigned not long afterward when asked to answer questions for reporter Andrew Gumbel about this.

6. Sequoia AVC machines were videotaped recording votes for the wrong candidate in Louisiana.

7. In San Bernardino County, registrar Scott Konopasek admitted that his votes went down in one race on election night. He said it was because votes were leftover in the system (???). He also referred to the use of an uncertified software bridge with Sequoia machines, called "Arrow." He also said he had to "massage" the data. When Andy Stephenson said "You had to MASSAGE the data?" he said he meant that in a good way.

Sorry.

Bev
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. thanks for the info bev and thanks for you hard work. nt.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:48 AM
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44. Good Gawd this SUCKS!!! How/when did they finally get to Shelley??
:wtf: I thought he was formerly on OUR side!! Have they gotten to him by bringing all these blackmail charges against him and his campaign??

I am SO FRIGGIN TIRED of the mafia running our government!! They are nothing but THUGS!!!

People in California need to hit the streets! Call all the people going to protest the RNC in NY City, and tell them to come to California and STORM the SoS and Atty. General's offices, until the people of California can be INSURED a fair election!!

These elections are becoming a bigger mess every day, thanks to a handful of nazi corporations. We can't even elect a damn dog catcher unless he/she is approved by the mob, under the circumstances.

THIS SHIT HAS GOT TO STOP!!!

Once again, BBV Activists....THANK YOU, from the bottom of my heart :loveya: for all you're doing in this fight.

Kerry's campaign needs to hop on this issue like a chicken on a June bug!

O8)Prayers for your continuing success and safety! O8)


:kick::kick::kick:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #44
57. "chicken on a June bug! "
are you from the south?

That sounds like something I would say.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 02:43 PM
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59. LOL! Yep. North Carolina....
Prounounced: "nohth careh-laanah" <spoken fairly slowly>

:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:19 AM
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46. I'm signed up as a polling official in Ventura County
But I'm also signed up with Verifiedvoter. I've asked about the machinery here, but no one knows anything yet. We used lever punch systems during the primary. What I'm wondering at this point : internal polling shows Kerry up by double digits in California. Are they going to pretend that margin dissipated? That's a really hard sell.


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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:47 AM
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50. Good for you! And Ventura has one of the good systems
They have the DataVote punch card system. There are several kinds of punch card systems, and the DataVote, from what I understand (RedEagle knows more about this) this system is incapable of producing a hanging or pregnant chad. It is considered a very accurate system, and you can also see who you voted for on the punch card.

There are things to watch for -- do observe the central tabulator room, which is used also for punch cards. However, when trends are clear, while fanning the punch cards prior to inserting them in the counter, it is easy to see who most of the punches are for. This makes it more likely to spot an obvious fraud.

There are still things to observe -- vote suppression techniques, especially with Latino voters; and one of the big potential problems for this fall's election is the ability, with the new computerized voter registration databases which identify party affiliation, to selectively make certain voters inactive or even drop them from the rolls.

Congrats on joining the VerifiedVoting "TechWatch" project.

By the way, everyone: Almost everywhere STILL NEEDS POLL WORKERS AND ELECTION JUDGES. You can get an inside observation seat this way. Just go to your county website, elections, and volunteer!

Then contact us or fill out the online form on our web site and we'll give you lists of things to watch for.

Bev
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:28 PM
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55. Data Vote
Rebecca Mercuri is the one who has done the research on this.

Data Vote does not do any sort of lightly pre-punching the paper.

I understand it takes card stock and all of the punch is done on the spot. I don't know how this would work for absentee ballots, but maybe just a good old paper punch would work.

Data Vote, if you extrapolate it from the other punch card systems, consistently beats the touch screens in over and under votes.

And over and under votes is all the CalTech/MIT studies used.

There has been no study as to the accuracy of any voting system. That would require auditing.

I would imagine it might also deter any extraneous, extra hole punching, because it's not pre-indented.
(The term won't come to mind right now)

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:30 AM
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48. HEY BEV!
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 10:54 AM by Hell Hath No Fury
Have you contacted the SF Bay Guardian about this story yet? This is exactly the type of story they would LOVE to get their hands on, especially now that you've been blown off by the CA officials. They specialize in whistleblower stories just like this one and they are an excellent way to reach a very large audience to whip up grassroots activism pressure that could be put on Sacramento.

Here is their contact info:

EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Tim Redmond (he handles the political stories)
EDITOR AND PUBLISHER Bruce B. Brugmann

EDITORIAL DESK: (415) 255-3100
FAX: (415)255-8762

bruce_brugmann@sfbg.com
tim_redmond@sfbg.com


ON EDIT:

I just printed out your post and faxed it over to them at the Guardian with your contact information and a request they make this a front page story. I hope they'll get in touch.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:44 AM
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49. We knew it , Bev saw it coming
:mad:
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:06 AM
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51. I just have a question for Bev and the other BBV heroes
I admit I haven't followed this whole process as closely as I should have been, I thank god every time I see you're so on top of this, Bev. My question is: to what do you attribute this obvious reluctance to deal with a proven problem? I mean, I would think that Kevin Shelley could look like a hero himself and take all the credit for saving California and maybe the rest of the country from this threat...and yet, by your account, his people seem to be acting like zombies. Is this that "lack of political will" I've heard so much about over the years? What in god's name is wrong with these people?
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:23 AM
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52. Good questions posed on this thread!
Kicking to keep this front & center!

:kick::kick::kick:

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:51 AM
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53. keepin it kicked
send this discussion out far and wide - Only way 2 get it noticed.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:22 PM
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54. Amazing ....
To think that these VERY issues, like the double books scenario, like the remote access scenario, were EXACTLY what we feared those many months ago before obtaining the Anonymous FTP bonanza ...

It is EXACTLY as bad as it could be ....

I swear: will there ever be a fair ballot in this nation again ? ...

I despise Jim March and his philosophies, but he created an extraordinary presentation theme: Using the Galilleo metaphor was a stroke of brilliance .... Will YOU look ? ...

Fucking brilliant ....

Bev ? ... If I had a nickle for everytime I praised the BBV crew, I'd be a rich man indeed .... but please accept my congratulations once more for an extraordniary job well done ... You are SO on the right path, you are creating an effective argument that those with a stake in false balloting can only RUN from ....

ALL of you: Pat, Andy, Bev, and all the others: it is so comforting to know you are among us here at DU ....

I wish I could do something: But Im on my last dollar, without a job, with my credit cards running dry .... I cant justify more than a few minutes away from the drudgery of my subsistence existence ...

It doesnt matter: .... what matters is that we have such excellent citizens who are fighting this fight .. for ALL of us ....

Thank you ....
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. No Matter How Big or Small- Everyone's Contribution Counts
Even it just involves emailing, faxing, or snail mailing people, every thing helps- just talking to people and informing them of the situation, helps.

Hang in there, I hope some brighter skies are on the way.
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NoMoreMrNiceGuy Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 02:45 PM
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60. KEEP A KICKING THIS POST///N/T
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 03:31 PM
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61. California Attorney General's Office has just refused to look
They will be making an announcement regarding the criminal investigation of Diebold on Sept. 6.

My guess: They will announce that they have found nothing to support a criminal prosecution of Diebold, and will at the same time decline to seek taxpayer restitution via Qui Tam.

And in the mean time, more witnesses are coming forward and yes, the document drop referred to on the Al Franken show looks bad. We are working to confirm it now.

What is wrong with this picture: When Riverside County had four witnesses to the access of Sequoia techs into the voting system during vote counting (one of them pulled a "personal card" out of his pocket and uploaded something midstream, then kept the card and left the state) -- the District Attorney "investigated" and then, without interviewing a single one of the witnesses, said there was no evidence of any problem.

We have not, to date, been asked a single question about the GEMS hack, although we formally published it on July 8, 2003 and submitted it in a fraud lawsuit in November 2003. To the best of my knowledge, they've never even looked at the software to kick the tires. They certainly never asked where the secret trigger is.

Getting a nasty feeling about this, folks. And Kevin Shelley is being assaulted with a barrage of attacks -- some sound credible and very problematic, but some seem more like vindictive bullshit (for example, "he paid a law firm for advice on the extra security measures he wanted to impose on the counties." Duh? That sounds reasonable, frankly, especially since the counties immediately went to court against him. (He kicked their butts in court).

Bev
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #61
71. How many people left over from the Bill Jones era?
How many people in Shelley's office are from the past administration, the one that Jones left and got a consulting position from Sequoia?

The one where Lou Dedier (Memos) could hack into several systems but didn't report it, then went on to work for ES&S?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:57 PM
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78. The guy who fell asleep is a Bill Jones holdover
His name is John Mott Smith. Quite a piece of work.

Bev
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:19 PM
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92. I found it incredibly suspicious
that Kevin Shelley became public target #1 pretty much out of the blue... It seemed like the SF Chronicle, the same paper that couldn't be bothered to print the transcripts of Enron traders laughing about "%$&%king Grandma Millie" on more than the back of page 6, all of a sudden had nothing more important to do than investigate the minutae of everything Kevin Shelley has ever done. Call me crazy, but I think he's being warned off of this subject by some very powerful people.

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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 03:37 PM
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62. From 2 officials: Calif. will deal with Diebold "after the election"
I feel better now, don't you? This came independently from two different members of the California Voting Systems Panel.

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. I know I rested well that night...
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 03:55 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
knowing they would deal with it after the election...Or it might have been the fact we stayed in a motel where there were no gunshots in the night...Either way...I rested easy.

:eyes:
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ursacorwin Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 03:55 PM
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64. kickickickickickickickick!!!
jeezus people, this is the ONLY issue that matters...sorry, this stuff makes my blood boil.

the fix is in. this is going to be the ugliest election ever.

bev et al, i salute you. at least someone tried to save america.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. We still have a few tricks up our sleeve.
It isn't over till the fat man sings...and I haven't even started to warm up yet.

:)
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 04:17 PM
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66. Please check PM or email - thanks nt
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 04:19 PM
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67. Ok did that
now you check yours :)
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 04:57 PM
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70. Thanks - OMG nt
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Methinks Bill Lockyer will live to regret that decision.
Bill Lockyer
Attorney General's Office
California Department of Justice
Attn: Public Inquiry Unit
P.O. Box 944255
Sacramento, CA 94244-2550

Contact the Public Inquiry Unit

Toll Free Phone: 1 800 952 5225 (in CA)
Phone: 916 322 3360
TDY: 1 800 952 5548 (Toll-free in CA)
Phone: 916 324 5564
Fax: 916 323 5341
Contact Form: http://caag.state.ca.us/contact/general.htm
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 04:41 PM
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69. thanks Bev, from Louisiana!
kick
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 05:06 PM
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72. It seems like the only thing to do at this point is to pick an election
and "produce" a "winner". There's gotta be an election or something BEFORE Nov. 2 that can be used as a real world demonstration. Pick a time/place and make sure the results are completely goofy. Hack into the thing and give the "winner" 350 million votes! Or wait til someone is declared the winner with 85% or more of precincts reporting and then give the second place an additional billion votes.

It WILL cause an uproar, but that seems like what's needed.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:59 PM
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79. No law says they have to tell the public if the election is hacked
they can just quietly "massage the data" or do what they think is correct to fix the problem.

One of the recommendations we made to mitigate risks is to require election officials to journal all anomalies into a public record, and require them to disclose any security breaches, miscounts, or other problems.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 05:28 PM
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73. I work for a state bar association in the IT department

I would love to show this to some people here. How can I do this?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 05:50 PM
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74. Is this what you're looking for?
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:00 PM
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75. Time to KICK again!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:49 PM
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77. Hi Gal & Guys.... So what about the TV exposure did that go down?
Hi Bev, Andy and Pat,

This all sounds fantastic.

al
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:02 PM
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80. We'll know Monday about TV
And then there will be more TV.

At the same time California is announcing "no worries, we've decided Diebold did nothing wrong and we don't need additional security measures" we'll be demonstrating the GEMS hack on national television.

Methinks they should rethinks.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:37 PM
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82. I will watch my DU discussions with bated breath...
Bev,

It is excellent that you have the lawsuit to work with on this too...

And it is truly astonishing that they are still defending this company after all that they now know.

Might be worth giving Wonk a heads up so he knows what to record so us folks out here in the antipodes can see the heady moment.

al
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 11:47 PM
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84. BTW the website redesign is looking good....
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

We are in the process of redesigning (we call it reskinning cause not a alot is changing) Scoop.. and believe me it is torturous...

:)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:05 AM
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86. We have a LOOOONG way to go, but getting there.
But now we can start populating it.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 05:40 AM
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87. A kick for tomorrow, and a thousand thanks
:toast:
:kick:

Hekate
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:11 AM
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88. A 'Good-Morning' kick nt
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 11:35 AM
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89. Kick
Everybody needs to see this.

:kick:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:07 PM
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90. kick
nt
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:53 PM
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91. Kick
:kick:
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:25 PM
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93. Way to go, Team BBV - your hard work has already paid off in Wisconsin
Our SOS said plainly before the assembled delegates, in response to a resolution in support of HAVA at our Dem convention in June (which got a boisterous response from several delegates including me), that BBV would not be coming to Wisconsin.

He's seen the evidence and promised to support fully accountable election systems.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 01:03 PM
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99. What an unusual thing
An election official who can see the light.

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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 05:43 PM
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100. Did he also say who has the passwords to the central count tabulators
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 05:57 PM by Bushfire
for all those counties using optical scan machines? Did he say why our two Democratic senators have yet to support S1980?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN01980:@@@P

Does he support increased mandatory recounts of precints, regardless if the losing candidate decides not to ask for them? Current law states the losing candidate must ask for a recount when within a certain margain of losing the race. Citizens cannot ask for recounts within our state I'm quite certain. ES&S is the major player in Wisconsin, and still uses proprietary software with the central tabulator I'm afraid. One only needs to look to the Indiana state forums at www.blackboxvoting.org to see why ES&S cannot be trusted. Here's a response by him regarding some questions I had earlier this year:

"Wisconsin does not issue certification numbers when it approves
electronic voting equipment. Current optical scan systems, such as the optical scan voting equipment in Milwaukee, were approved for use by the State Elections Board under the 1990 FEC voting systems standards. New voting systems will have to be qualified against the 2002 FEC voting systems standards before the State Elections Board will consider approving them for use pursuant to S. 5.91, Wis Stats, and ElBd Chapter 7, Wis. Adm. Code."

Kevin J. Kennedy, Executive Director
Wisconsin State Elections Board
17 West Main Street, Suite 310
PO Box 2973
Madison, WI 53701-2973

608-266-8087
608-267-0500 (Fax)

kevin.kennedy@seb.state.wi.us
http://elections.state.wi.us

on edit: I'd like to add this great article over at "In These Times" :

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/978/

"In the Alabama 2002 general election, machines made by Election Systems and Software (ES&S) flipped the governor’s race. Six thousand three hundred Baldwin County electronic votes mysteriously disappeared after the polls had closed and everyone had gone home. Democrat Don Siegelman’s victory was handed to Republican Bob Riley, and the recount Siegelman requested was denied. Three months after the election, the vendor shrugged. “Something happened. I don’t have enough intelligence to say exactly what,” said Mark Kelley of ES&S."


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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 03:05 PM
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94. YOU are one helluva American Patriot, Bev!
Thank you for all of your incredible efforts!!
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:01 PM
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95. Bev, how about you teaming up with Michael Moore? He gets attention!
He could have filmed many of your approaches to these folks involved. "This Election is Rigged" you could call it.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:02 PM
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96. Who says we don't have tape?
I keep a video camera with us always.
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:07 AM
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98. Kick!
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