Planes crash in Russia....terrorists?

[Cascadian]

If you have not heard already two airplanes leaving the same airport in Moscow around the same time crashed killing all of their passengers. When I heard this, it had 9/11 all over it. There is no way this was a strange coincidence. Anybody feels the same way?

I also understand that there is to be a special election in Chechnia this weekend to replace the president there who was assassinated recently.


Does anybody think that rebels had anything to do with this. The reports are sketchy right now but the timing of it all is odd.


John

[fujiyama]

1. It does seem very suspicious

Apparently there was a distress call from one of the planes stating that it had been hijacked.

It's very unlikely if one was hijacked, the other wasn't. It seems like it was corrdinated...and plus the timing is also worth considering - as you said they have the elections in Chechnya.

[RebelOne]

2. No, heard on radio just a while ago that it was not terrorism.

Just coincidence.

[RivetJoint]

5. That's one hell of a coincidence!

Unparalleled in aviation history.

[TomNickell]

7. In the press accounts.....

terrorism is mentioned as the primary suspect.

There was a signal from one of the planes that it had been hijacked.

[RivetJoint]

8. That's what I thought

A coincidence was too far-fetched

[TomNickell]

3. Quite likely.

The Russian Gov't won't be shy about blaming the Chechens. But, it is probably a good idea to wait for actual information.

In the meantime, I am taking wagers on the time of the first thread blaming Bush for the deed.

[Mike Niendorff]

4. Tom, do you ever have anything positive to contribute to this site?

Seriously, I NEVER see you contributing ANYTHING here except to insult and attack DUers as "conspiracy theorists" (which you do at EVERY opportunity -- witness the cheap shot above).

I have to wonder: if you hate us all so much, why do you even bother coming here? Do you just get off on insulting people, or what?


MDN

[TomNickell]

6. Bashing Conspracy Hobbyists -is- a positive contribution!

I engage nobody who isn't already making a complete fool of himself.

And, I try to go after the 'evidence' and 'arguments', not the person.

But with 'theories' as dumb as we see here, it's hard to keep the separation.

The Conspiracy Hobbyist -aren't- interested in progressive or Democratic causes; they immature smart alecs who advance their own egos by imagining themselves far smarter than the rest of us.

And, yes I find a lot of useful information on this site. It is too valuable to let it become a conspiracy nut haven.

[BeFree]

10. Propping up boosh again, eh, Tom?

Those who bash Conspiracy Hobbyists aren't interested in progressive or Democratic causes; they're immature smart alecs who advance their own egos by imagining themselves far smarter than the rest of us.

Those who bash, think they have the answers, when all they have is the word of the boosh administration. The bashers are not willing to examine the alternate theories or even come up with one of their own. Instead they cling to the boosh explanations as if it were their lifeboat in a wind tossed ocean.

It really is too bad the bashers are afraid to have an open mind, some of them seem quite intelligent.

[theboss]

9. Seems too strange to be a coincedence

I mean, how often do two planes crash at the same time?

[gatorboy]

11. I have a feeling the Bush administration

is not going to stress the Terror angle here.

For one, they obviously had no information on it, so their credibility should be questioned considering all the "chatter" they usually report.

They already didn't feel the need to raise a terror alert.:wtf:

I mean what the hell? They go on alert on four year old info, but when something actually occurs, they stand down?

[supercrash]

12. Probably NOT terrorism

Remember right after 9-11 when a Russian airliner was shot down by accident from a Ukranian military exercise ?

How about the plane coming out of NY that was ditched in a nearby neighborhood after the tail fell off

Tom is right...to many conspiracy nuts around this forum, they make us all look silly

MIHOP, Hurricane Charley coverup...ect...

[yellowcanine]

16. Even in Russia two planes taking off from the same airport and crashing

at roughly the same time is circumstantial evidence for terrorism - you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist. I thought both the New York plane and the Ukrainian shoot down were likely accidents at the time by the way. Also, remember the Russian sub that sank? The Russians aren't known for candor when it comes to tragic events, particularly early on. So take their official pronouncements with a grain of salt also.

[Aidoneus]

13. 2,000 people combing the crash sites..

cannot find any evidence that suggests "terrorism", however much Pooty-Poot's nazi fanbase would like another excuse to let loose another holy patriotic pogrom.. Those who slander the Chechen moqawama should think twice before speaking on matters outside of their knowledge. Then again, there is no attention given to the slaughter of their people on a regular basis anyway, so why should there be any surprise to this conditioned response..

A more recent piece with statements from Russian officials (never the sort to hesitate when it comes to heaping scorn and blame upon Chechens, whether it is falsehood or truth):--

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MOSCOW, Aug. 25 (Xinhuanet) -- Investigators have yet to find any evidence of terrorism links to Tuesday's crashes of two Russian passenger jets, a Federal Security Service (FSB) spokesman said Wednesday.

Spokesman Nikolai Zakharov said that operational mistake is themost likely cause of the crashes which killed all 89 passengers and crew members aboard the Tu-154 and Tu-134 planes Tuesday nightin southern Russia's Rostov region and the Tula region, about 200 km south of Moscow.

"Malfunction of aircraft systems, the use of poor quality aviation fuel, violation of fueling regulations and piloting regulations are being checked," Zakharov was cited by Interfax news agency as saying.

Another FSB spokesman Sergei Ignatchenko also confirmed the preliminary conclusion, adding that other possible causes of the crashes are under consideration, Itar-Tass reported.

--snip--

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-08/25/content_1882480.htm
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[HFishbine]

14. Contaminated fuel

Yeah, that's a possible explaination. As worthy of consideration as any other theory. But what's the point in speculating? We'll know soon enough.

[yellowcanine]

15. Chechnyans? Supposedly one plane reported being hijacked.

And witnesses on the ground reported a loud explosian before the 2nd plane (taking off) crashed. This is very troubling indeed.