BBV: Sam Reed Just Lied On KUOW

[JohnGideon]

There was just a discussion on KUOW concerning the primary and the ballots that will be used. I had called in and was waiting to ask a question concerning the software that was changed. I had also email'd my question which was "I would like to know from SoS Reed how he can justify allowing voting software and/or firmware to have been installed in the voting machines in 6 counties and this software has never been inspected or certified by any federal Independent Test Authority?" They read my email'd question as the last question that Reed took.

Sam stumbled as it was very apparent that he was not prepared to answer any questions on software. He then said that the court has already decided in a case in King County that the software is inspected and certified. Yes, he diverted everything to Andy's case earlier. He then said that everything was fine, stuttering all the time. The transcibed program should be on the KUOW website.

[Andy_Stephenson]

1. Ah...but my case was dismissed without prejudice

and if we had an attorney step up to the plate...it could be reopened and we could likely go back 2 versions of GEMS. Sam is in trouble I am afraid for a bad policy decision.

The press is nibbling on this one as well. I have had 5 calls this am regarding this situation.

Another day another dollar.

[JohnGideon]

4. Andy....

if you have the media asking questions about this how about sending them to us so we can fill them in on what is going on. We have sent over 200 letters to elected officials in all 6 counties plus letters and press releases to many media people. This story has to get into the press. I have the documents to prove all of what we are telling people. Give us a chance to get the word out.

[Andy_Stephenson]

6. Oh great!

What kinds of documents do you have?

[JohnGideon]

11. I have...

the Statements of Work between ES&S and Kitsap and Pierce Counties which state that the software will not be certified. They say that the software changes will never be certified or inspected because there is going to be another complete change of the software in July, 2005 approx. They also state that ES&S will not guarantee their work because they were rushed to do it. I would guess that the agreements with Diebold and Sequoia are pretty much the same.

Lot's more too.

[RedEagle]

15. Now Why Would They Need to Create New Software?

I was getting help on another thread on consolidated ballots.

Wisconsin has used both and has ES&S.

Minnesota has the consolidated ballot option and ES&S, I think.

Why the need to do a "rush" job on new software?

[JohnGideon]

16. It All Has To Do With.....

the requirement that we have to select a party affiliation and only vote for that party. Essentially with the combined ballot design the box in the upper left hand corner with the DEMOCRAT, REPUKE, and LIBERTARIAN choices is a box of toggles. You must activate a toggle and when you do, the optical scan machine will ONLY read the toggle that is activated. No other votes will be counted. If you don't activate a toggle; no votes are counted. That is supposed to be different from every other state that uses a Montana Primary.

Beyond that all I know is that I have a bunch of high placed people waiting to see something in the news so they can then speak out. I'm getting a lot of help from people behind the scene but we haven't been able to shake the media loose yet. Some of the help can't do anything at all until it is printed in the news; then they can comment and they will comment loudly.

We are off to Olympia today to visit the White and Blue Houses by the cafeteria. That's where the media has their Olympia Bureau's.

[RedEagle]

17. Hey John, That's going to be a bogus argument

99 Wis. Act 182, s. 9 - continuedPartial vetoes appear in red. http://www.legis.state.wi.us/1999/data/acts/99Act182.pdfhttp://www.legis.state.wi.us/1999/data/acts/99Act182.pdf

5.35 (6) (b) At each polling place in the state where a consolidated ballot under s. 5.655 is used or an electronic voting system is utilized at a partisan primary election incorporating a ballot upon which electors may mark or punch votes for candidates of more than one recognized political party or for candidates of a recognized political party and independent candidates, the municipal clerk or board of election commissioners shall prominently post a sign in the form prescribed by the board warning electors in substance that on any ballot with votes cast for candidates of more than one recognized political party or any ballot with votes cast for candidates of a recognized political party and independent candidates, no votes cast for any candidates for partisan office will be counted unless A PREFERENCE FOR A PARTY or for the independent candidates IS MADE. If the elector designates a preference, only votes cast for candidates of that preference will be counted.

[bahrbearian]

2. I was listening to that ,but stopped at the produce stand and

missed that part. Great question. I vote absentee.

[Andy_Stephenson]

3. Absentee is no safer

it is the tabulator that counts all the votes that is the problem.

[bahrbearian]

5. But if there is a recount won't my numbered stub help

There is a hard copy of my vote

[Andy_Stephenson]

7. In Washington state

Your "Ballot" resides on the machine. The only time we look at the paper again is if the election ins 1/4 of a percentage point between 2 candidates and there is no provision to use the paper again unless

For example

Candidate a has 49.75% of the vote
Candidate b has 50.25% of the vote

in this example there would be a hand count

For a machine recount the diff is 1/2 of 1%

Any other result the candidate pays for a recount and it is a machine recount. As Bev has already shown...All the above makes no difference if the votes are going to GEMS the flawed central tabulator.



Edit...RedEagle may want to correct me if I am wrong.

[bahrbearian]

9. Thanks for the Info , I feel like not voting now.

Not really I will still vote and be vocal about it.

[Andy_Stephenson]

10. Yes VOTE!

and be vocal about it!

Tell 10 to tell 10.

[RedEagle]

8. John, tried like crazy to get the show up here so I could call in

No dice, no streaming, nothing.

Yeh, he was untruthful about that case.

You know all the furor over the primary?

Lot's of that has been fueled by Sam who, of course, was for the other primary. (The one likely to be declared unconstitutional too)

But hey, you know, if you keep people looking one way, the don't pay attention to what is going on under the hullabaloo.

[JohnGideon]

13. Red....

Go to the KUOW website and you can hear the mp3 there. It's the 1 to 2 o'clock show.

[RedEagle]

14. When I tried to stream that show live...

...kicked me off the net about four times.

Someone else alerted me to it but just couldn't get a feed then.

[louis c]

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