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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:46 PM
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Should the US and Canada merge? Expansionist party says yes
What We Propose. The Expansionist Party ("XP") advocates admission of Canada into the United States as up to seven states of the Union. The four Atlantic Provinces, too small to be admitted as separate states, would merge into one. (Merger of these four even within the context of an independent Canada has long been advocated, for the administrative economies it would entail.) The remaining six provinces, from Quebec west, could be admitted as states to themselves. Or the three Prairie Provinces could be merged into a single Prairie state — again, for reasons of economy. Besides, big states get more attention to their needs than do small states.

The Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut would either merge with Alaska to form a united Arctic state to champion northern interests, or be divided among the new Canadian states bordering on them by extending present provincial boundaries northward, as the people of Canada might in their sole discretion decide prior to union. If neither of these alternatives seems the best thing to do at once, the federal territories of Canada could simply become Federal territories of the United States, leaving the question of their future to be decided later.

The United States, as its name suggests, is an organization more than a nation-state. Its unity revolves not around race, language, or even shared history, but around the principles of its express social contract, the Constitution of the United States. Originally just 13 states along the eastern seaboard of North America but now 50 states spread across the entire width of the continent and extending to its northwest corner and across 2,400 miles of the Pacific Ocean, the U.S. has grown by accepting new members into the club. Unlike some areas that have asked for statehood but been rejected (the Dominican Republic, various countries of Central America, and even Hawaii, when it first applied in 1854), if Canada were to ask, it would surely be accepted, since public opinion polls show strong support among Americans for admitting Canada to the Union.

A Grand Vision. Canada and the U.S. joined together would, by many measures of wealth, dynamism, and culture, be the greatest nation in the history of the world.

A combined U.S. and Canada would eclipse Russia as the largest country on Earth geographically. The expanded U.S. would not change in rank as to population, remaining the world's third most populous nation (after only China and India). But the entire feel of the future would change, not just for us on this continent but for humanity all around the Earth.

Never before have the peoples of two such enormous countries put their trust in each other and merged. Their voluntary joining would make a huge impact upon the world's sense of the possible, and open people's minds to ideas and opportunities of many kinds.

Canadians would finally put to rest the endless anxieties periodically splashed across popular magazines in alarmist headlines — "Can Canada Survive?", "Will Quebec Separate?" and so on. They will have decided, yes, Canada can "survive" — as part of the U.S. And no, Quebec will not separate, because the United States is an indissoluble Union (the Civil War proved that), and any area that assumes statehood does so in the knowledge that it's for keeps.

The time for Quebec to decide for independence is before accepting statehood, not after. Interestingly, pro-statehood sentiment is stronger in Quebec than in English Canada, for Quebeckers know that their culture would thrive in a large, tolerant Union. So tolerant is the United States that if Quebec wanted economic but not political union with the U.S., that special relationship ("sovereignty-association", the Parti Quebecois calls it, as proposed for Quebec vis-a-vis Canada) would be granted quickly and without resentment. Puerto Rico has essentially that relationship with the United States now: "Commonwealth" in English, "Estado Libre Asociado" (Free Associated State) in Spanish.

more here

http://members.aol.com/XPUS/Canada.html ... OK, its an AOL address, but what do you think of the idea?
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codegreen Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:46 PM
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1. could we please admit the US to Canada instead?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:48 PM
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2. I'm with you.
Why would the Canadians give up what is good social programs to join our system of poor health care access, homelessness, unemployment and idiots in Washington running the government?
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codegreen Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:50 PM
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5. they have a better voting system too, don't they?
and media regulations, environmental laws...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:00 PM
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19. Their voting system could still use some tweaking, but I'm still
all for merging into them instead of vice versa
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:01 PM
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21. a better voting system than ours?
Can it be? With votes not counted in Florida, the dumb ass Electoral College, voter registration purges to clear off minorities. Canada can top that?
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 10:59 PM
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90. Top it! Canada tops US numbers with its moose tied behind its back.
Not as many people in prison. More people with health care. Less gun murders.
And, I hear they count the Ottawa vote, by hand, on paper, in just a few hours.

So yeah, I hope Canada would like maybe 6 or 8 extra provinces?

If we Murkans learn how to say "oot"???
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Exactly.
And where would we run when the next fascist starts conquering the world using American soldiers?
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
36. All my thoughts, exactly! Can you imagine Canadians willingly
giving up their much superior system?

I badly needed a laugh tonight..... :hi:

Kanary
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:49 PM
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3. In an ideal world, YES
but even if it went the other way, I was under the impression most Canadians would vote our way anyway. We would come out ahead either way.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:27 PM
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48. Are you familiar with the Canadian system at all?
Or is this just a game to while away some time....?
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:32 PM
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50. Yes I am
Since I am considering moving to Canada, I have read quite a bit about the system and how it works. I wrote what I wrote because it applies to the topic. I am not for this. If I were for this, I wouldn't be exploring immigration.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:38 PM
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92. Er, have you spoken to any Canadians about this?
If you had any idea how the US is perceived by Canadians, you'd realize this is simply a pie-in-the-sky ideal at best. Canadians are fiercely independent, especially at this time every four years (I have yet to meet one who doesn't actively and strenuously cheer against the Americans during the Olympics). Although friendly to Americans' faces, the brashness (or ignorance) of visiting neighbors-to-the-south never escapes Canadians' notice, and is frequently the topic of conversation. While most Americans would not be too ashamed to admit that they can't name all the Provinces and their capitals, most Americans have also never heard the name Rick Mercer, much to their unwitting humiliation. His CBC show "Talking to Americans" has deliciously caught Americans on video congratulating Canada for, among other things, adopting a 24-hour clock and establishing the National Igloo as a historic site, and entreating them to stop the Saskatchewan seal hunt and compromise on their plans to drill into Canadian-owned Mount Rushmore for oil.

No, Canada's admission into the United States is at LEAST several centuries away.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. yeah, what codegreen said.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:00 PM
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18. Me too. Let us in, and the Christian secessionists and all the
obnoxious blowhards from the repuke party can have SC like they want. I'm partial to Lake Hartwell, Table Rock, and the Clemson Botanical Gardens, but they can have the rest
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:49 PM
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4. Why in Dog's name would the Fine People of Canada...
...want to inherit some of the most worthless politicians on the planet?????
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:50 PM
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6. Say what?
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 10:51 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...for Quebeckers know that their culture would thrive in a large, tolerant Union.

It's not that 'large, tolerant Union', with the flourishing English Only movement, and where 'French' is synonomous with 'enemy', that I keep hearing about, is it?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Course not, Davis. Course not.
You don't think BushCo would wall the province, do you?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Then fill it up with water?
Sorry, old Canadian Joke
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #15
66. Ooooh, bitter Canadians.
Nifty.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. HAHAHA
:-)
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:51 PM
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8. O'Reilly tried floating this idea sometime after 9/11...
and quite frankly it reminds me of Hitler's "Anschluss" with Austria.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:52 PM
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9. Cool. "Heim ins Reich"... n/t
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 05:24 AM
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75. Anschluss was the first word that came into my head from the thread title
I am deeply troubled at how my own estimation of my country has fallen in the last 4 years.
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:54 PM
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11. I never considered Canadians would ever be that stupid.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:54 PM
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12. Someone didn't do their homework
Canadians would never go for this, let alone Quebecois. Merging the maritimes? What about Newfoundland (technically not a maritime province)
Plus all that would happen is the US would gain 30 million people washington doesn't listen to.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:58 PM
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16. If they start talking Anschluss...
..why can't New Brunswick and Nova Scotia absorb Maine?

We've got strong commericial ties, similar folkways, etc. etc...

And it would be better being the southernmost province and gateway to the Maritimes than that big, blank space at the end of I-95.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:02 PM
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22. You're talking about taking an old culture
Much of it Acadian - still French as a main language Acadian and asking it to merge with the USA. Plus these are regions that have been defined so long they wouldn't take to the change. It'd be like asking New Jersey to become part of New York.
The other mistake you're making is assuming that they want to be more than a blank space at the end of I-95.
Regardless of what many Americans seem to believe, Canada doesn't care about that, especially not enough to join another country.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. I want to join you guys, *not* vice versa....
...before the neo-con theocracy comes.



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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:00 PM
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17. LMFAO...
I can say, with absolute certainty, that the only way that Canada would ever become part of the US would be through military occupation and annexation.

"The Expansionist Party ("XP") advocates admission of Canada into the United States..."

"admission" implies that we want to join.

Sorry, but this is just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

Sid

PS - I'm not meaning to denigrate the US. People here at DU certainly demonstrate the best the US has to offer.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:01 PM
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20. What the hell
would we Canadians want to do that for?

Name one benefit to Canada.

Just one. :eyes:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. MORE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS!
And the benifit of selling your house to pay for the treatment after getting shot.

Notice any other flaws in the plan (Besides assuming Newfoundland is a Maritime Province)?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:06 PM
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24. Notice any other flaws......??
Jeepers...you got several hours??? :puke:

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. ha ha
I liked the guy mentioning the "Tolerant" atmosphere in one of the above posts.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. notice that they will be denied appropriate representation
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 11:12 PM by mitchtv
from the get go. joining maritimes that are larger than RI or DE or CT.denial of staehood to the NW terriories join with RW AK- HA. maybe they should start with Guam, PR VI, AM Samoa and of course District of Columbia. joining the prairie states will get more attention as 1 .With 2 senators instead of 6 ? haahahaha
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
32. I want more people at DU in the same election...
I would vote for it.

But never force it.

Referendum? Merger by choice? Hell yes. Coming together would be great. Screw the naysayers, if it was a desired change by referendum then a larger democracy is born.

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
83. You would finally get to see FAUX News!!
I mean, I know Conrad Black is doing a halfway decent job of right wing spin with his Global/CanWest or whatever the fuck it's called network, but you won't be a truly informed patriot until you get the fair and balanced news from FAUX. :puke:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:06 PM
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25. WHY would Canada do that?
Wouldn't be very smart. The world HATES the United States.
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:06 PM
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26. To All Canadians.....
I posted this because I found it to be a bizarre site. I meant no disrespect, such as Canada should want to be part of the US or whatever else. In fact, I found this website looking for information on the possibility of immigrating there.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Oh shit, you scared me, I though you belonged to this group!
That's okay, however I may email them
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. Nope, not a part of them
Too many people think of Canada in terms of "South Park" such as .. "they're not even a real country anyway." I came across the site and thought I'd share it with some who may never see it otherwise. By seeing that carried out to the extreme of combining countries, I thought it might open some eyes to seeing differences.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. Oh, well in that case
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
38. Already have that one bookmarked
and read all over it. Thanks anyway though. I don't want to start something until I'm commited to finishing it though. The idea of living in Canada appeals to me greatly. I could actually get married there. :)
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. Great!
And bring your dogs.

We have lotsa room.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. Watch Out
For the snow snakes. Very active in the winter months.
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. what the hell is that?
a snow snake?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. A snow snake
is akin to a bucket of prop wash.

Or a sky hook.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #47
70. We have snow snakes in Nebraska
in the Platte River valley. Maybe it's just not flat enough in Canada?
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #47
79. Ixnay on the ecretssay in front of the anksyay, pal.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 05:47 AM
Response to Reply #38
77. I actually have immigrated to Canada..
from the US and married my Canadian wife; although I'll always be an American citizen, it was the best move I've ever made.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #77
93. Exactly ditto...
And I mean exactly. The only difference is that I didn't go West. Isn't Alberta a lot like Texas? Although Stephen Harper isn't quite -- quite -- as bad as George Dubya, I suppose (mainly 'cause he didn't become PM after not winning).

I miss home, but as much as I love my state, I wouldn't leave to go back for anything in the world.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:11 PM
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33. Boy This Thread
Has really taken off.
Certainly the Canadian premiers wouldn't think much about loosing all their powers. Perhaps it would spur them into some co-operation with the feds on medicare.

Don't know if the US of A would enjoy having their concepts of country diluted by the addition of 12% of new citizens.

In addition it would amplify the east/west divide possibly leading to two different new countries on the continent.

Note: The EU has a population of 450 million.

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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:12 PM
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34. i'd be willing to merge a true military Defence
Defence. In it's rightly word.
But, what the hey, Murka owns us anyways.

or do they?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. or do they?
I really wish we had stronger ties with (trading wise) with more countries so as not to be so dependent on the states
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. Two words
Carolyn Parrish.

On MDS.

And two more. Right on.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. one word - BrianFuckFaceMulroney.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. that's a hell of a word
;-)
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Who has what to do with anything?
Beyond playing uncle to Harper, he is a non-entity.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Ever Heard
Of NAFTA and Irish Eyes?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Which still has
what, to do with this conversation?
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. The Union
Of the North & South in the North American Continent was begun with the Free Trade and continued with NAFTA. This occurred under Mulroney, whose party had historically been against reciprocity.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Rubbish
We trade all over the world. We have done so since day one.

Including with the US. It doesn't mean we want to be Americans.

Canada is a trading nation. Always was, always will be. Globally.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. You Asked
A question and I gave you my answer.
Thanks for your comment.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #53
60. I asked a question
You went nuts.

Mulroney has nothing to do with anything.

Ancient history.

You're welcome.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #60
63. mulroney has much to do with it. he was a prePNACer in his own way.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. Rubbish
He was a PC PM who was elected in a landslide, twice, last century.

Don't confuse your own party agenda or beliefs with history.

This is a new century.

No left or right wing anymore, the Cold War is over.

Centrist parties and policies. Move on.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. I still take comfort in despising that prick that took out the
the conversative party and devastated a somewhat dialogue of balance.
The most hated PM in Canadian history.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. He was the most despised, like Boosh is now. Qualifiers on body bags.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:44 PM
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54. No thank you
We're just fine up here
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:45 PM
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55. Well, ONE jack-in-the-box would be nice
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:49 PM
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56. Have you eaten at Jack-In-The-Box?
Clean and cheap, and everything on the menu tastes the same, but cardboard is tastier. mmmm.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:50 PM
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57. Really?
Haven't eaten there since I was like 10 and in San Diego.
It's that bad eh?
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:53 PM
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61. Its OK, nothing special
But it is cheap! Jumbo Jack for $.99. I do like their seasoned curly fries though.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:51 PM
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59. Really?
Haven't eaten there since I was like 10 and in San Diego.
It's that bad eh?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 11:51 PM
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58. Have you eaten at Jack-In-The-Box?
Clean and cheap, and everything on the menu tastes the same, but cardboard is tastier. mmmm.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:53 PM
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94. Nah, skip Jack In The Box.
Get a Bojangle's instead.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:12 PM
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88. LOL I am agreeing with tightrope ! Why screw up Canada?
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:55 AM
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67. merge this.... ,.|..
The only honorable war is a war of defense. And I'm up for it.
heheheh. Just kidding. sorta, I know the realities of war nowadays. Brown people down south of the equator get bombs and economic rape and us Northerners just get the rape.

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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:57 AM
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68. If I were Canadian I wouldn't want a damn thing to do with
this mess. If it were not so hard to immigrate, I'd head north.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:59 AM
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69. I favor this but the specifics suck shit
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 02:00 AM by Classical_Liberal
I would like to keep the maritime states the way they are and turn divide the big provences into several states. This would make America much more liberal, and tip the balance dramatically away from the South, since the Democratic party would be favored, and the republican party would be more libertarian then fundy.

This plan as proposed by this alliance party would cause the poor Canandians to be dominated by the retrograde fundamentalist in the South just like us Northerners.
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 03:14 AM
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71. Ontario could use dividing
They think they are so good.

I don't think a unified "Prairie" state would fly. There is no way in hell Alberta would go for that.

I know a lot of Canadians who would like to go to the States to work, so that they can make US bucks, but they want a Canada to come home to.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:35 AM
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72. only admit those states that can pass an IQ test. Certain parts of many
places could then become the New Confederacy or something.

RV, still pissed at Zell Miller but liking the idea of being part of the Yukon.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:48 AM
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73. it's all well under way
http://www.copa.qc.ca/index.html

Parliamentary Confederation of The America's

...but this was started before the Bush Regime was installed, so the wind is out of it's sails for the moment.

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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:55 AM
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74. Hell No!...I would feel really bad if we contaminated another country!
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 04:57 AM by Tight_rope
Of course I'm reffering to the United States of America. Where we have a "POLITICAL IDOIT" and "HUMAN TRASH" for a pResident.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 05:31 AM
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76. The West is the Best
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 05:31 AM by dutchdemocrat
The Republic of Cascadia - from Northern California to Alaska.Rules.

http://zapatopi.net/cascadia.html







Cascadia has abundant natural resources. Vast forests provide it with ample timber for both export and domestic use. Rich fish and shellfish stocks also supply valuable exports as well as powerful brain-food for its citizens. Raging rivers and vulcanism offer cheap and renewable forms of hydrodynamic and geothermal power generation. Its many harbors and protected waterways give Cascadia an edge when it comes to trans-Pacific shipping.

Its natural resources are exceeded only by its industrial resources. The Cascadian software and biotechnology industries lead the world in innovation and market-share dominance. Cascadian-produced software is on 97% of the world's computers, and that figure will continue to rise. (Although it has not yet achieved sheep-cloning technology, it is close -- watch out Scotland!) The Republic of Cascadia is a nuclear power with the ability to process weapons-grade plutonium and also advanced missile technology. Cascadia has the facilities and technical expertise to produce a wide range of fighter, support, and commercial aircraft, as well as space vehicles. Besides being a global leader in vehicle technology, Cascadian industry is also developing sea-based launch capabilities for orbital payload delivery and possible lunar conquests.

But why conquer the moon when you can win the stars? The Republic of Cascadia has long been sought by movie and TV producers for use in location shooting -- and even production work -- because of its scenic beauty; commercially popular image; and cheap, non-union labor. This is just a part of Cascadia's plan to become a global media powerhouse, the likes of which Hollywood couldn't imagine. Cascadia has a proven track-record in producing trends in music, fashion, food, and other forms of product consumption, which it can profit from by building on its brand recognition and loyalty. Furthermore, with its space program providing satellite technology and its software industry providing cutting-edge Internet technology, Cascadia is poised to control the means of infotainment distribution -- and thereby consumer demand -- on a global scale.



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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:01 PM
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82. What an ugly shaped country
;-) Can't we include Idaho to balance it out?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:29 PM
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86. Who the Hell wants Idaho?
Nazis in the north, Mormons in the south..... what an entirely useless state.

I'm all for the Cascadian option myself, but it must include Northern California. Why don't we put the southern border just below Monterey.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 06:14 AM
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78. Lebensraum
Lebensraum

snip>

Hitler changed the concept of Lebensraum. Rather than adding colonies to make Germany larger, Hitler wanted to enlarge Germany within Europe.


For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude.
--- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf 3
Hitler looked east for Germany's expansion in Europe. It was in this view that Hitler added a racist element to Lebensraum. By stating that the Soviet Union was run by Jews, then Hitler concluded Germany had a right to take Russian land.


For centuries Russia drew nourishment from this Germanic nucleus of its upper leading strata. Today it can be regarded as almost totally exterminated and extinguished. It has been replaced by the Jew. Impossible as it is for the Russian by himself to shake off the yoke of the Jew by his own resources, it is equally impossible for the Jew to maintain the mighty empire forever. He himself is no element of organization, but a ferment of decomposition. The Persian empire in the east is ripe for collapse. And the end of Jewish rule in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state.
--- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf 4 }More........

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa110899.htm
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:45 AM
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80. There are no benefits to either country in the post.
I don't understand why there would be a merger if neither party in the transaction benefitted.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 07:46 AM
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81. I can understand using a common currency,
and further economic integration than NAFTA, but other than that, what are the benefits of a merger?
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:18 PM
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84. I'll allow it, as long as Canada gets statehood.. and electoral votes.
:evilgrin:

If the US and Canada were to merge, the Democrats would control all of government for an entire generation. Canada would basically offset the U.S. South's pull in the hillbilly direction..
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:21 PM
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85. Oh yes, and by the way, they have lots of oil for us to steal
What a good idea. After all, it would be so nasty to have to invade them in order to steal their resources. Let's just annex them!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 12:42 PM
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87. And fresh water, and land, and uranium, and trees, and beavers
Take it ALLL!
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 01:50 PM
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89. 54-40' or fight! Here's what they would bring to the elections.
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 01:50 PM by rsammel
If you just add seats and EV's onto the total (by comparison with the closest in population US state), rather than re-calculating for a fixed number of seats in the house , you get this:

Atlantic provinces (as a single state): 2.3M, 4 seats, 6EV
Quebec: 7.4M, about 11 seats, 13EV
Ontario: 12.2M, 19 seats, 21EV
Manitoba: 1.1M, 2 seats, 4EV
Saskatchewan: 1M, 2 seats, 4EV
Alberta: 3.1M, about 5 seats, 7EV
BC: 4.1M, 8EV.

That would probably add a net 33 EV to the dems, and would probably add a net 20 seats to dems in congress (assuming that PQ, labor, and other leftists would allign with dems, and conservatives with GOP).

54-40' or fight!




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greblc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:14 PM
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91. "Haw-Haw" Eh!
Neither Country would ever agree to terms.

Quebec keeps trying to leave and the Canuck's can't work that out. How could it ever possibly work?

Here in Minnesota we have problems with Manitoba on Fishing limits. The Canadians don't reciprocate MN's Limit Laws. Which is fine, but illustrates the relationship on a basic level.
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