Did you see the film of the Kerry supporter punching out the Bushite?

[Lefty48197]

I saw it earlier this morning, I think on CNN. It was only a very short clip, but it showed the Republican approaching a group of protesters, and one of them punched him in the face. The punchee looked like he could have probably beat the Democrat up, but the puncher was quickly arrested. I guess some people are just fed up with Republicans and all of their Bullsh*t...

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[Lefty48197]

4. The punchee deserved it

That didn't take long did it?
For years the Republicans have had their hands in my pocket taking money from me, and reducing the quality of my life, and of millions and millions of other Americans. I'd say they've earned at least one punch each.

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[Vickers]

13. Dude, did you hear? Georgie wants to raise taxes on dumbasses

You're gonna be hurtin', cowboy.

[Robin Hood]

38. I have one question that Ronald Reagan famously posed for America.

Is the country better off today then it was four years ago? NO!!! You just can't get around that. If it was good for you guys then, then it is good for us now. Bush ruined the economy.

[Vickers]

43. Reagan...another paper cowboy

Served in the what, Army Movie Corps? Has he been dead long enough to say he's full of shit?

Then along comes Georgie, another paper cowboy who couldn't even hack stateside GUARD duty!

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[Downtown Hound]

46. How many people have Republicans killed in recent years?

Close to 1000 U.S. troops.

Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Bush ignored explicit warnings about 9-11 terror attacks and then sat on his ass reading a children's book after it happened. Then he killed thousands of Afghanis in some half assed attempt at retaliation that failed to capture the man responsible.

Bush has refused to do anything about global warming, which kills thousands of people a year.

Yet Republicans back the man like he's a god. Yeah, I'd say you each earned a punch at the very least. The families of the dead may think you've earned a lot more than that.

[sffreeways]

56. Incidently

the guy that did the punching was well dressed

[mitchum]

54. It certainly is time to get tombstoned, lickspittle...

now hurry along...Jim Rob misses you

I would have kicked your fellow freeper in the goddamn teeth

[zanana]

16. I love you for that, Lefty48197!

LOL!

[YoQuieroLiberty]

100. The punch wasn't at "the Republicans," it was at a person.

It's not a metaphor for all the harm Republicans have done, it's simple assault.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but taking pokes at people is wrong. Let the other side be violent a-holes.

[mitchum]

58. He's not the only one who deserves it

Bye

[ScreamingMeemie]

65. Nope. Someone here is going to say,"How again did Bush say he was going

to 'Unite' us?" :shrug:

[ScreamingMeemie]

71. Darn it all! Talking to a freshly dug grave again...

:hi:

[The Night Owl]

2. Violence is always disgusting.

We need to defeat Republicans with our ideas, not with our fists. The guy who punched that Bush Bot ought to be ashamed of himself. I felt embarrassed when I saw the video of the guy hitting the Bush Bot, but then I reminded myself that most of us are not like that.

[atreides1]

6. "We Need to Defeat Republicans..."

...with our ideas, not with our fists."

An admirable concept, but what do you plan to do when the use of ideas doesn't work.

If we truly want to stop the Bush cabal, then we need to be willing to do more, because you see ideas only work when someone is willing to listen and we've 4 years of proof that Bush and his minions don't
want to listen.

If our founders were willing to fight for their freedom, should we be any less willing. They tried the idea route too, and it got them
nowhere, so what did they do when diplomacy failed?

They decided to fight, and so we must be willing to fight.

And yes it must be a last resort option, but it must be an option.

There is no shame in what the man did, we don't know what was said to provoke him into lashing out, and until we do, none here has the right to judge his actions.

[shadu]

20. I wish I possessed your reasoned restraint

Your thoughts make perfect sense.

[The Night Owl]

29. Sorry, but nothing the Bush Bot might have said justifies the violence.

I frequently want to hit Bush Bots, but I am always able to restrain myself. Part of what makes us human is our ability to resist violent urges, not our violent urges.

Sorry, but there is no excuse for the violence.

[Spiffarino]

44. If he threatened, damned straight he deserved it.

Not just Bush, but the whole BFEE is interested only in power. Norquist, DeLay, Bush, and the rest of the neocon elite have only one thing in mind: A single party government. They control all three branches of government, so they have already succeeded to a large extent.

Now they are working hard to deny the opposition access to the democratic process. Read anything Grover Norquist has been saying for the past 10 years and you will understand that they are not interested in a dialogue...they want to destroy us. If we sit on our hands and play the peace and love game - which is exactly what they expect we'll do - then they win.

I believe in peaceful dialogue. That should always be the first course. However, I will by God fight if my rights are threatened. I firmly believe that is what politics in America is coming to.

I plan on doing a lot of ass-kicking if any slimy dittohead threatens me. Let them be afraid. I won't be.

[The Night Owl]

52. Ass kicking accomplishes nothing...

I fail to see how punching someone at a rally moves us any closer to accomplishing our political goals. Sure, punching a malignant Bush Bot might feel good, but such behavior makes us look like what we know the Republicans truly are-- violent aggressors.

Victory through violence is always a hollow victory.

[EST]

84. While I agree wholeheartedly with this,

I have only to look at Hitler's war to determine that sometimes violence does solve problems, and at times it is the only solution.

[Spiffarino]

89. Violence is the last solution, not the best

Let me be clear:

I do not advocate violence unless ALL other means have been exhausted. However, I believe we are approaching that point. The 2000 election was stolen; the 2002 mid-term was in all likelihood also stolen. 2004 is shaping up the same way. The entire Federal government is controlled by a single party that is dedicated to holding power at any cost.

Unless the people in power suddenly decide to honor the US Constitution, we are on a steady course to either dictatorship or anarchy. I pray to God I am wrong, but I see fewer and fewer alternatives.

[EST]

97. I, too have much fear

that this bunch of crazy bastards does not intend to fade quietly away. I think there is entirely too much mischief to be discovered to allow a new regime to come in. Recall that Bill Clinton was such an upset to the neocon plans that they tried everything short of assassination (and it appears they may have tried that, at least tangentially) without much success. Gingrich was being groomed for coronation in 1996 0r 2000 until his feet of clay were revealed. I'm convinced that Clinton saved us from dictatorship for his term, but now that's over. Ever wonder why Gingrich is still hanging around, getting paid under the table?
I find it a source of wry humor that a "radical" cleric in Najaf may now be credited with stopping the march to world domination and hegemony as well as saving our democracy.
Oh, btw, you are aware of the mounting evidence that the 1980 election also was stolen, right?

[Pax Argent]

68. It will work. Its begun to work

Alternate news sources to the media/Pravda are popping up like weeds to meet the demands of those who want more than propaganda and news-lite. The people who want to know have the information right there at their fingertips and they will inform others.

The corporatists took thirty years to build this structure, do you think it will fall over-night? I agree with your zeal, but violence without justice is NOT the answer.

The pendulum is swinging, just keep the faith.

[iamjoy]

82. Well Said, Night Owl

We need to win with ideas, not fists. I agree this is embarrasing. I don't know if I'd say the puncher should be ashamed, I don't know the whole story. Most of us aren't like that and we shouldn't be proud or gleeful, we should be sad. Especially those DUers who are anti-war. If we can't expect fellow human beings to refrain from violence when provoked, how can we expect nations to solve their differences peacefully? Imagine the situation were reversed wouldn't we be shocked and disgusted (or saying it is par for the course)

Let's not be hypocritical, but lets not overreact either. This man lost his temper. I understand his anger and frustration, but that doesn't make his actions right. He is neither a hero nor a villian.

[sidestreamer]

93. (applause) ((n/t))

[Selwynn]

105. I agree whole heartedly

[MuseRider]

3. I am not surprised

by that. I try to remain a pacifist but for me it is a struggle to stay non violent when someone gets in my face. I am not at all surprised that some people have simply had enough.

[The Night Owl]

41. The funny thing is...

I'm not a pacifist, but I was disgusted by the video of the man hitting the Bush supporter.

[MuseRider]

55. Technically I am not either.

I simply try to be one. I was raised with violence as the one allowable emotion so it is a constant struggle. Many times I must just walk away. I have mixed feelings about that video. Under normal circumstances I would be disgusted but these days I am feeling more like the violence is inevitable and sometimes called for. I hate to say that. For now I just have to keep myself away from large confrontations. I would never erupt into violence unless it came to me first. All these years trying to control it would melt away I am afraid.

[sffreeways]

7. YES ! Just saw it on MSNBC

sorry pacifists, it was really satisfying to watch that little prick get put back in his place.

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[sffreeways]

11. Hahahaha

I'd punch you in a heartbeat.

[shadu]

14. And I have made him dessert!

(I can't get in trouble for 'making him dessert,' can I? ;)

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Can I make him the appetizer

before you guys get to him? :evilgrin:

[shadu]

25. Sorry, I am quite certain that he is one gone cat

However, he is sure to return.
He is, by definition, a coward; so he will change his name, first.
But he will return.
Be on the look out for a clown who talks smack.

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[sffreeways]

19. Yeah

sure is Hahahahaha

He knocked his goddamn cowboy hat right off his pin head ! Woohoo

[zanana]

23. Calm down, denverguy.

Getting all worked up like that isn't good for you; and you know we only have your best interests at heart. There's nothing sadder than a stroked-out little Republican.

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[Vickers]

27. No, you want to talk shit then pull the pacifist card

I just think you're a coward.

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[Vickers]

33. Bring it on? Dude, are you wearing a fucking flight suit like that

pathetic fuckstick Bush?

Typical freeper pussy talk!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

24. Leave an address. I'm sure some one here lives close enough

to you to say it to your face without having to buy an airline ticket.

Peace.

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[Vickers]

36. Stated values? Being a pacifist does not mean taking shit

from punks like you.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

42. Golly gee whiz, Denverguy. You're right! I've been blinded by education

and free thought.

Corporation good.
Individual bad.

Everyone could be Donald Trump if only they wanted to bad enough.

People who are poor are that way because they want to be.

Saddam had WMD and it was just a matter of time before he taught the camels to swim with Nukes on their backs....

[janx]

37. Well if he's from Denver, then I do.

;-)

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[sffreeways]

47. brusises?

moran

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[sffreeways]

51. Why don't you go have a bone

or find some wood to chew on. Nobody is going to waste their time showing up to knock out teeth you probably don't have.

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[sffreeways]

66. easy to say

on the internet

doofus

[janx]

48. I'm not in Denver. I'm north of there. And--no thanks.

You should be aware, though, that there's a good chance Colorado will go Dem this year.

I dearly hope it will. We must rid ourselves of Chimpy and his crazy neocons.

Also, it would be nice if I could enjoy lunch on an outdoor patio in Longmont without being deafened by rube freepers with a bullhorn.

[shadu]

39. Perhaps we should offer him an appropriate parting gift.

(No comment here should mean ZERO demerits.)

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[freetobegay]

53. I say make love not war!

Want to meet up so I can show you how to deal with a real man? I'll make it worth your...

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62. Yea me!

100% USDA grade A!

[mitchum]

61. And you are a punk in the classic sense...

hanging on Bush's belt loop

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

79. Bwahahahaha!

Yeah...I don't use the word hate as part of my common vernacular but lately I've felt pushed to the brink of my own principles in the matter.

[librechik]

104. we will see it so often I'm sure that it will seem like violence ruled

not peace, as I observe now. This incident let the Pugs win. In fact. it was probably a Freeper that threw the first punch, just to stir up trouble.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Yup, I saw it.

Sweeeeet! The guy doing the punching got in a good shot on the freeper. He could have punched the guy out. The Kerry supporter was big and stocky...the freeper was tall and skinny. There was a cop there in an instant.

[still_one]

9. You haven't seen anything yet

bush has polarized this country so badly on both sides, it will be a miracle if punching is the only thing that occurs

[shadu]

12. Hell yes he deserved it!

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[sffreeways]

34. The idiot was doing what the rest of you idiots do

Impose yourselves where you don't belong and aren't wanted.

Idiot: Hmmm, I think I'll cover myself with Bush Cheney stickers, carry a Bush Cheney sign, with my cowboy hat on and swagger on up to that group of Kerry Faggots and a set'm straight.

Protester: POW!

[Pax Argent]

63. How often do we howl when they mistreat our protestors

Rest assured I understand the frustration, but violence against your fellow countrymen serves no purpose and only makes our side seem less rational. I haven't seen the footage, but if the Bushbot hadn't attacked or wasn't threatening attack, he should not have been attacked.

[sffreeways]

69. Depends on what you consider a fellow countryman

and what you consider the cause of suffering, endless suffering for millions of Americans.

Death and amputation vs a punch in the mouth.

[Pax Argent]

74. Like it or not, we are their countrymen

and they are ours (presuming that you are American, of course). Lets assume that the Bushbot in question was your average, loud, loathesome, ignorant one-each freeper that we have all come to appreciate as the lowest common denominator of our opposition. Does this person materially affect US Policy? Will hitting him change it for the better? Even when the US was more liberal than it is now, the right still ran its slimey little games off the radar. Hitting the little brainwashed pawns will not change this and will likely leave them feeling justified in their "resistance" to leftist bullying.

What is the net effect of the action other than gratuitous violence, which the left theoretically abhors? What is done is that the left's position will be played as irrational on the six o'clock Pravda news while the police are given the excuse to crack down on leftist radicals. It happens this way across the globe all the time.

Its like chinese fingercuffs; the more we physically struggle, the worse it will get. The only viable option is to remember that we, as a nation, are one and that this fight can only be won one heart at a time.

[The Night Owl]

87. Excellent post!

Attitudes like yours, not violence, will change things for the better.

[The Night Owl]

85. The Bush supporter looked really scared after he got hit. It was sad.

I felt sorry for the Bush supporter who got clocked. He was just a skinny kid who is as passionate about his cause as many of us are passionate about our cause. He didn't deserve to get clocked. I am surprised and saddened that so many people here applaud barbarism.

[Yupster]

95. I bet he'll feel better when his lawyers

talk to him.

The guy doing the punching won't feel so good when his lawyer recommends his settlement to him. Maybe he'll still feel it as worth it.

[janx]

35. Can you say "Senator Salazar"?

Get used to it, man!

"President Kerry"

and

"Senator Salazar"

Sounds pretty good, doesn't it?

[AmerDem]

22. Is there a clip floating around?

anyone?

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Keep your eye on MSNBC.

That's where I saw it. I'm sure they will replay it.

[lpbk2713]

32. Payback.

[uhhuh]

76. Payback?

What's next? Pistols at dawn?

Focusing on truth is better. If what I'm reading is true, this guy didn't threaten or menace the Kerry supporter. This is unacceptable.

I know it feels good to see one of these mouthbreathers get taken down for once, but just because it feels good doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

That picture you posted was hailed here earlier as evidence of how ugly the chimp supporters have become and how they bully those of us who care about our country. How is this situation different?

The Kerry supporter, if he had his shit together could have humiliated this guy by buring him in the facts, but he chose the freepers way out by slugging him.

I can't believe that rational people here don't see the hypocrisy.

[Cocoa]

40. yuck

to the people who are defending this, double yuck.

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[Jade Fox]

67. Oh, we're so chastised by your brilliance!

[Pax Argent]

70. I've never understood the thrill of trolling

What is the point of charging into a group of folks who don't appreciate your worldview and spewing empty words and rhetoric? Does this serve some purpose that I am unaware of? I seems like electronic masturbation and a huge waste of time.

Could you help me understand the benefits of this behavior?

[ScreamingMeemie]

72. I have asked, and am yet to receive a decent answer. It has never

bothered me. It's actually kind of funny and sad all mixed up into one big ball. :hi:

[Pax Argent]

77. Good morning ma'am and thanks for the reply

I love DU for all of the news and like-minded folks that are here to discuss things with. I find myself disappointed with news that I cannot respond to now. The other thing that keeps me coming back is the fascinating study of human nature here. Trolling is one of these phenomena.

If you ever get that answer, I hope you'll share.....
:)

[GalleryGod]

73. Down Goes Frazier! Down Goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier (Crane,that is!)

The Bush goon was a tall geeky type...the Kerry guy nailed him with a good right hook!

[The Night Owl]

75. So now we are aggressors who beat up the physically weak?

I am so proud of how eager some of us are to become that which we hate.

[DiverDave]

81. Tell you what

when someone is charging me and giving a "hate-kill-die" look, he's going down.
I ain't waiting to reason with a crazed lunatic.

So, go ahead, be as sweet and non physical as YOU want to be...
Me? I'm getting the first lick in.

[The Night Owl]

83. You sound like George W. Bush

The reasoning you are using to justify striking someone before they strike you is the same reasoning George W. Bush used to justify attacking Iraq. In essence, you are making an argument for preemptive war. Are you sure you want to do that?

Like I said, I am always amazed at how eager some are to become that which they claim to hate.

[DiverDave]

91. So I stand and take a hit?

You compare me to that piece o shit?
Well up yours pal, I don't take a hit from nobody...who are you to compare me to that scumbag?
I am sick and tired of you and your ilk telling me to be "non aggresive" when the rethugs are COUNTING on that very thing.
NO MORE, fire with fire.
You sure you are on the right board?

[The Night Owl]

101. You likened yourself to Bush.

"You compare me to that piece o shit?"

You are the one who posited the notion that striking someone because you think they might hit you is a good idea. I merely pointed out that George W. Bush would probably agree with your belief that hitting someone who you think might hit you is a good idea.

"Well up yours pal, I don't take a hit from nobody..."

No one has asked you to take a hit. You aren't arguing for self defense. You are arguing that anyone who gets in your face, regardless of whether that person is violent or not, deserves to be hit.

"NO MORE, fire with fire."

A guy holding up signs and chanting is not a fire. He is just a guy holding up signs and chanting. If he drowns you out, then persuade more people to come to the rally with you.

"You sure you are on the right board?"

Are you sure you're in the right Party? Attitudes like yours are an embarrassment to Democrats. I don't mean that as an insult. I just truly believe that.

[Yupster]

96. It was a

pre-emptive attack then was it?

[oasis]

78. That was a good 'un.

:hi:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

80. not to bright of the bushie to approach protesters..he should have just

stayed put!...and not "approached the protesters" ..it's obvious that the bushie's intention was to incite!

i saw it and would have like to have had sound accompany the film clip...i'll bet dollars to donuts the bushie was hurling hateful insults at the protesters.

[uhhuh]

86. So What?

I'm sure he was too. That doesn't mean that he should be subjected to violence.


There are a lot of bushbots out there. Are we to go around punching all of them?

I've gotten into some heated discussions with some of them, and have scored some good points with them and with people who were around us.

I guess my points would have been accented better if I knocked them in the head too.

I'm sure I would have come off as even more principled and rational.

The current situation in this country has gotten many people very angry. I can understand why this guy might have lost it, and let loose on this idiot, but I don't think it is anything to cheer.

I can understand his frustration, but that is not an excuse for assault.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

88. i agree....i did not imply anywhere that it was right

[DoYouEverWonder]

90. Well if are going to be stupid enough to take a swing

at a repug, at least make sure you knock their lights out.

Hate to go to jail for nothing.

[sidestreamer]

92. That wasn't right

Unless the Republican "punchee" was cocking back and preparing to attack, the puncher only hurt our message taking the offensive.

Then again, I never saw the video so my opinion isn't final.

[Lefty48197]

94. Wellllll, it appears I've missed out on some of the fun

Does anybody have a count of how many Freepers couldn't hold their tongues any longer, and wound up tombstoned after responding to this post. In the future, you can think of my posts as sort of a D-Con rat poison. It kills em dead.

[Downtown Hound]

99. Actually, it was only one

He kept on challenging everyone here to fights and then claiming it was us that wanted violence. He was quite amusing actually. Normally I get annoyed by trolls but this one was cracking me up.

[barb162]

98. yeah, I enjoyed it

and supposedly the GOP jerk was asking for it and the Democrat obliged.

[Toucano]

102. I cannot condone assault.

Punching someone who disagrees with your politics is best left for Republicans.

[Julien Sorel]

103. Here's a link to a local station where they

had a clip. The Republican can be heard saying, "You've got an open invitation. If you're going to talk about it then you've got to do it" and then the Democrat turned around and clocked him one. I couldn't tell for sure, but it looked like the Republican was crowding him; he was standing directly behind him holding his little Bush Cheney sign running his trap. The Democrat behaved pretty calmly when the cop arrested him, so I don't get the feeling he was some wacko, although who can say.

Link to video (You have to register).

I'm no fan of violence, but every once in a while....