AIPAC was not spying...

[Perky]

Their leader Morris Amitay has strong links to Michael Leeden and Doug Feith.

Leeden is the NEOcon trying to ochestrate Regime change in Lebanon, Syria and Iran. ANd he was largerly responsible for the Neocon mobbilisation for Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Nexus is really pretty scary. check out the membership roles for
US Committee for a Free Lebanon
Coalition for Democracy in Iran (CDI)
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.
and Project for the New American Century

Then look at thes guys and these organization and their links to
Ahmed Chalabi (Iraq)
Zalmay Khalilzad (Afghanistan and the Taliban-Unocal pipeline deal)
Manucher Ghorbanifar (Iran and The Iran/Contra Affair)
Reza Pahlavi (the Son)

Next look at who is backing these organizations from Israel.

Finally use any of the names and orgs above and google key players int the Pentagon:

Rumsfelf, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith,Harold Rhode, Franklin and Michael Mobbs. Or Scooter Libby at the White House.

What is really going on here is a rogue government in the Pentagon run by the NEOcons with the intention of reinventing the Middle East.

Nothing short of that.

This Group is responsible for:

Claims of WMD
Claims of Yellowcake Uranium
Claims that Sadaam sent al the WMD to Syria.
The Outing of Valerie Plame

Doug franklin was not not spying. There is an evil axis of power between American Neocons running the Pentagon...Isreali Hardliners and Pro-Israeli arabs. Franklin fas just passing info on to his buddies.

I am still looking into links between the Neocons and Big Oil and CCheney's energy task force. Any help there would be great.

[jimshoes]

1. Think *bush has any inkling

of what is going on right under his nose?

[Perky]

2. Ya know I don't know

His Dad certainly does and I am sure is quite troubled by it all Since he beat down the NeoCon's who wanted to roll into Bagdhad after the liberation of Kuwaut.

Put it this way,, he certainly should know and he should have put a stop to the nexus.

I suspecting the Diavowing of Chalabi will be seen in time as the first unraveling thread. They raided his houd took his laptop and accussed him fisrt of selling secrets to Iran and then of murder.


My guess is that he was pissed off that He was not going to get the Iraqui presidency as the NEOCons promise when he said that he could point the way to the WMD/

[pocoloco]

3. Are you kidding??

The votes had barley been counted after he was first elected Gov. of Texas before he headed straight to Israel!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. Not only that, but guess who was his personal tour guide

Ariel "the butcher" Sharon himself. Who of course, was NOT the Prime Minister at the the time.

[alfredo]

16. If it isn't cocaine under his nose,

he isn't concerned.

[buycitgo]

4. Ledeen?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=ledeen+fascism&spell=1

Flirting with Fascism
... Flirting with Fascism. Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen draws more from Italian
fascism than from the American Right. By John Laughland. ...
www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html - 32k - Cached - Similar pages

Flirting with Fascism/ Print
Flirting with Fascism. Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen draws more from Italian
fascism than from the American Right. By John Laughland. ...
www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/print/featureprint.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages
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Michael Ledeen on Fascism & War on Terror on National Review ...
October 17, 2003, 8:40 am Defeating Fascism, Again A similar enemy.
“Fascism," the subject of my first 15 years' professional ...
www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200310170840.asp - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

Michael Ledeen on Iraq on National Review Online
... Many believed it was impossible to bring freedom to people who had embraced fascism
and its attendant culture of death (from Japanese suicide bombers in their ...
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DEFEATING FASCISM, AGAIN - Michael A. Ledeen - Benador Associates
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17, 2003. "Fascism," the subject of my first 15 years ...
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Fascism is Back...Big Time
... He knows, as any good student of fascism learned half a century ago, that fascism
has to be ... http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200310170840.asp.
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FrontPage magazine.com :: FrontPage Interview: Michael Ledeen by ...
... Fascism was enormously popular in Western Europe, after all. FP: If you were asked
to describe Yasser Arafat in one sentence, what would you say? Ledeen: Really ...
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Commentary Magazine - The First Duce, by Michael Ledeen
... conducted by Michael Ledeen, a young historian who has lived in Italy and who has
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ZIONISM AND ITALIAN FASCISM
... Michael Ledeen, a specialist on Fascism and the Jewish question, has described
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TheOtherNews - Alternate Views to Mainstream News
... Human Rights Group; June 30, 2003, The American Conservative Flirting with Fascism:
Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen draws more from Italian fascism than from ...
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[buycitgo]

5. franklin, ledeen, rhode, ghorbanifar, arms, etc

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0808-12.htm

The senior administration official identified two of the Defense officials who met with Ghorbanifar as Harold Rhode, Feith's top Middle East specialist, and Larry Franklin, a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst on loan to the undersecretary's office.

Rhode recently acted as a liaison between Feith's office, which drafted much of the administration's post-Iraq planning, and Ahmed Chalabi, a former Iraqi exile disdained by the CIA and State Department but groomed for leadership by the Pentagon.

Rhode is a protege of Michael Ledeen, a neo-conservative who was a National Security Council consultant in the mid-1980s when he introduced Ghorbanifar to Oliver North, a National Security Council aide, and others in the opening stages of the Iran-contra affair.

A former CIA officer who himself was involved in some aspects of the Iran-contra scandal said that current intelligence officers told him it was Ledeen who reopened the Ghorbanifar channel with Feith's staff.

Ledeen, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington and an ardent advocate for regime change in Iran, would neither confirm nor deny that he arranged for the Ghorbanifar meetings. "I'm not going to comment on any private meetings with any private people," he said. "It's nobody's business."

[ClassWarrior]

6. Scary... but entirely possible.

One point - please don't call it the "outing" of Valerie Plame. That's such a soft term. They BLEW HER COVER. Plain and simple. Hard hitting. They blew the cover of A CIA AGENT. Let's not let them off the hook. It may be picky, but we're learning every day how strategically important it is for us to use language as a weapon.

[Perky]

8. Point well taken n/t

[Perky]

9. The evil nexus

Israel hardliners get rid of Sadaam as the first step in reshapinjg the middle east.
Chalabi gets the presidency of Iraq for suppy intel on Sadaam was doing
The US divvies up the oil proceeds (led by Phil Carrol formerly of Shell Oil)
And Haliburton get big contracts to runn the whole for Cheney

All hatched in secre meetings Cheney won;t release the details of...not even a list ot atendees.

It started to unravel when Chalabi turned out to be a liar and was denied the presidency. He then started talking to Iran about what he knew, thus the raid, the confiscation of the PC and the lated chatge of Murder.


Fr a long time I could not gigure out the true rationale for the was I thpught the Al Quaeda ties were tenuous and the revenge of the assasination plot on Bush I was not a high enough motivator..

Now it seems it is about a new breed of american imperialism and nation building.

So the big question is aren;t the old guard GOP upset about this if exposed?

[MGKrebs]

10. "aren;t the old guard GOP upset about this if exposed?"

Maybe, but even so, so what? If the Neocons were able to pull this off, the old guard would be essentially irrelevant anyway. Besides, which old guard are we talking about? The true conservatives are so whipped right now they have no voice. And the Reagan 'old guard' are the ones running this show! Ghorbanifar? Cheney? Negroponte? Abrams?

This really does look like a 'secret government' kind of thing to me. We tell our friends what we want to see, they then show it to us, even if they have to invent it. The intelligence agencies can then go to the executive branch with this info from 'trusted sources', and neocon policy is written!

[Perky]

11. I disagree,

There is a definite wing of the GOP which does not believe in Nation-building. Its not quite the Buchanan Faction touting isolationism...but Nixon era republicanism while confronting the challenges of communism believes it was better to contain with one hand and dialogue with the other. Nixon was a cold warrior to be sure and to a large extent so was reagan. I am not sure Reagan ever would have endorsed the heavyhandedness of what the neocons are doing.

My query actualy centers on whether or not Nixonian republicans would not didsdain these overt activities to the point where they would not vote for the NeoCons.

[Perky]

12. Damn more interesting by the moment

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3122chalabi_ghorbanifar.html

This is not a Larouche Endorsement. but Chalabi was being passed information fro Doug Feith's group that he in turn passed on to Iran. This is the same group that the guy accused of passing secrets on to the Israeli's works for.

This article appears in the June 4, 2004 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.

The Crimes of Iran-Contra
Have Never Ended
by Jeffrey Steinberg
A funny thing happened, early in May, when President Bush met with Jordan's King Abdullah II in Washington. According to news accounts, the Jordanian ruler provided the President with a dossier, revealing that Ahmed Chalabi—the head of the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and the darling of the neo-cons in the Office of Vice President Dick Cheney, the civilian apparatus at the Pentagon, and such Beltway think tanks as the American Enterprise Institute and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA)—was passing top secret U.S. government material to the most radical ayatollahs in Iran.
The dossier, provided by King Abdullah, checked out, and, as a result, the White House ordered Coalition Provisional Authority boss Paul Bremer to raid Chalabi's home, and the INC offices. That raid occurred on May 20, catching both Chalabi, and some of his neo-con allies in Washington, flatfooted.

On May 24, the New York Times, Time, and Newsweek all reported that U.S. Federal investigators are now conducting a high-priority criminal probe, to determine who in the Pentagon was passing classified documents on to Chalabi. Although the news accounts did not name any names, they all reported that there is a narrow list of people with access to the secrets, who were also close collaborators and boosters of Chalabi.

Among the leading candidates to join convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Jay Pollard in the hoosegow, or at least, in the hall of shame, are: Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith; Near East South Asia/Office of Special Plans head William Luti; Feith deputies Harold Rhode, Abram Shulsky and Michael Rubin; Office of Special Plans staffer Col. Bill Brunner; and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. All have been known to maintain intimate ties to Chalabi. Another Irangate "veteran" and Chalabi booster, Elliot Abrams, who was convicted of perjury (and later pardoned by President George H.W. Bush), was named the top NSC official on the Middle East in late 2002, a post he still holds.

[Perky]

13. Holy #&%# This just broke

FBI espionage probe extends past Israeli link, officials say
Ongoing case: Investigators have been focusing on civilians in the Department of Defense for more than two years
By Warren Strobel
Knight Ridder News Service


WASHINGTON - An FBI probe into the handling of highly classified material by Pentagon civilians is broader than previously reported, and goes well beyond allegations that a single midlevel analyst gave a top-secret Iran policy document to Israel, three sources familiar with the investigation said Saturday.
The probe, which has been going on for more than two years, also has focused on other civilians in the Secretary of Defense's office, said the sources who have first-hand knowledge of the subject.
In addition, one said, FBI investigators in recent weeks have conducted interviews to determine whether Pentagon officials gave highly classified U.S. intelligence to a leading Iraqi exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, which may in turn have passed it on to Iran. INC leader Ahmed Chalabi has denied his group was involved in any wrongdoing.
The linkage, if any, between the two leak investigations, remains unclear.
But they both center on the office of Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, the Pentagon's No. 3 official.
Feith's office, which oversees policy matters, has been the source of numerous controversies over the last three years. His office had close ties to Chalabi and was responsible for post-war Iraq planning that the administration has now acknowledged was inadequate. Before the war, Feith and his aides pushed the now-discredited theory that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was in league with al-Qaida.
No one is known to have been charged with any wrongdoing in the current investigation.
Officials cautioned that it could result in charges of mishandling classified information, rather than the more serious charge of espionage.
The Israeli government on Saturday strenuously denied it had spied on the United States, its main benefactor on the global scene.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby that top officials said is suspected of serving as a conduit to Israel for the midlevel analyst, also has denied any wrongdoing.
That


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analyst, Larry Franklin, works for Feith's deputy, William Luti, and served as an important - albeit low-profile - advisor on Iran issues to Feith and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.
Investigators are said to be looking at whether Franklin acted with authorization from his superiors, one official said.
Two sources disclosed Saturday that the information believed to have been passed to Israel was the draft of a top-secret presidential order on Iran policy, known as a National Security Presidential Directive. Because of disagreements over Iran policy among President Bush's advisors, the document is not believed to have ever been completed.
Having a draft of the document - which some Pentagon officials may have believed was insufficiently tough toward Iran - would have allowed Israel to influence U.S. policy while it was still being made. Iran is among Israel's main security concerns.
Two or three staff members of AIPAC have been interviewed in connection with the case.
In a prepared statement, AIPAC said any allegation of criminal conduct was ''false and baseless.'' It is ''cooperating fully,'' with investigators, AIPAC's statement said.
Israeli officials insisted they stopped spying on the United States after the exposure of Jonathan Pollard, who was arrested in 1985 and sentenced to life in prison for spying for Israel.

[Eloriel]

14. Pssssst -- you need to edit your post

Du has a copyright rule: no more than 4 paragraphs of the original article, plus link of course.

[lottie244]

15. I know you are right. They were just 'funding' the spies.

Put a freeze on their assests I say.