my so called Christan brother says all mosques should be destroyed

[mopaul]

and all of Islam too. he's serious. he started spouting about how Islam will destroy the world if not crushed. i told him to simply shut up about stuff he has no clue about and refused to discuss it any further with him. normally I'd go off on any idiot who mouthed such shit, but knowing my little bro like i do, it's pointless and a waste of my precious energy.

he suggested using the nuclear bomb because it actually saved millions of lives in world war one. he seriously offered that all of the middle eastern Islamic nations and their mosques should be nuked, i assume because it's the Christian thing to do.

having a few religious zealot assholes in the family has kept my blood pressure high, and my defenses too. but this is the mentality that is shared by literally millions of supposedly decent people.
Islam is not a threat the greater peace of the world. not even by a longshot. and even if we did utterly wipe out all vestiges of Islam, we'd still have plenty other reasons to kill people and steal their resources.

how can a man, like my brother, who claims to have studied the teachings of Christ all his life, espouse genocide? only bad religion can make one preach about peace through Christ, and suggest murdering millions of innocent people of another faith, IN THE SAME BREATH.

[salinen]

1. With Christians like your brother

who needs al queada?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. I've run into thses types myself

they really know NOTHING about Islam, and not much about any other faith. For that matter, with their message of hate, I don't think you can say they know much about Christianity.

My sympathies for you.

[BiggJawn]

3. "saved millions of lives in world war one"????

And the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour, too, right?

Crusader Mentality. Does your little Bro only hate Islam, or does he spout other Domminionist talking points, too?

[mopaul]

4. i don't delve too deeply into his thought processes

but he does have a global gospel world dominion view, i'm sure.
but i gather the dark ages seem to appeal to him the most.

[MisterP]

22. World War ONE?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

5. It's the Bush Christianity...

From the "Church of the Last Man Standing."

You know, the one whose bible has lots of asteriks like after "Thou shalt not kill.*







* Unless you are the Governor of Texas or the Killee is of a faith different than thy own.

[Neshanic]

6. That is common knowledge. All Born-agains share this view.

All religions are to be wiped out. Including Methodists, which for some bizzare reason, my college roomate, now Fundy pastor at a Southern California Fundy mega-church, makes a particular issue with.

No one is spared. Only the born-agains. This is the rock that the fundamentalist Christian/Republicans beliefs are built.

[area51]

12. Methodists?

Interesting. You might want to tell your former college roommate that Gee Duhbya Bush is a Methodist.

[neebob]

7. Not talking to your family is an option

or not talking to them about religion and politics. That's what I finally had to do with my mom. It bugs the crap out of me that we can't have an honest conversation - I just listen to her babbling about the few meaningless, "safe" topics and go, "Uh-huh ... uh-huh ... uh-huh" - but hey, life's too short to be spent in vain attempts to reason with people who cannot be reasoned with.

[Tigerlily]

8. I just don't get it, mopaul.

I will NEVER understand. Fear, maybe? Nearly constant "Terra, terra, terra!" warnings?

I have a sister-in-law who has two sons of draft age. Yet, she intends to vote for Bush because her church said to. Yikes.

[mopaul]

10. I see fundaMENTALism as a form of madness

seriously, a real neurosis and psychosis. not the normal religion, just the zealot kind.

[kimchi]

9. My fundy sister said the same thing.

I said "Who would Jesus bomb, starve, maim, rape, and torture?"

She said "I'm not Jesus, I'm human." I said, well, for a Christian, you have a hell of a long way to go before you start emulating Christ. I blame her church. She was a decent, caring Democrat before she moved to Texas and "got religion" (in order to fit in, I might add.)

They don't see their hypocrisy.

[alphafemale]

11. Let him eat Kuftah

Okay... half kidding but...


Seriously. If there's a Middle Eastern restaurant in your area take him there.

Yum Yums beat Dum Dums.

[Coventina]

13. Saw a bumper sticker the other day:

ISLAM SUCKS
Give war a chance!


I wondered why his ass wasn't over there fighting?

[Deja Q]

14. Same coin. Two sides. Fuckhead idiots on both sides.

We're all equally evil. It's not the religion but how it is interpreted by the people. And "Christians" and "Islamics" are both composed of hypocritical nutters and the ignorant (albeit nominal) 'followers'. x(

In other words: We're boned.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

15. I'm sorry you have to deal with family that thinks like that. I suspected

that you had a very personal experience with religious jingo-ism based on your posts. I share your exasperation with us vs. them groupthink in the guise of moral reasoning.

It is painful when people you love are sick with hate.

My father is very progressive in every way except his homophobia. Being 65 years old, I'm not terribly surprised at his attitude but I keep having socratic rational discussions with him and don't give up because it is a kernal of hatred and ignorance that I want to leave his soul like a kidney stone.

Keep the channels open with your difficult family members.
People do change if given the opportunity to humanize their 'enemies.'

Unless of course, they are just....EEEE-VIL... hee hee...

[mopaul]

16. bro is basically a good guy

but his zealotry makes him drag a huge wooden cross down bourbon st. at the mardi gras every year. and he just can't keep it to himself, no matter how hard you try to avoid discussing religion with him.
and he turned my mother into a miserable clone of himself. over 30 years of this shit now.

but for years we didn't even speak. a decade almost. now we speak, but he's still ate up with it.

[J Williams]

17. True Islam is compatible with True Christianity

Let me share some things that I read about Islam.

The Quran makes it very clear that Islam does not cancel out the messages of previous prophets, such as Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Enoch, and Jesus. In fact, the Quran (or Koran) commands Muslims to speak with great courtesy to Jews and Christians, because they all believe in the same God (29:46). Muhammed’s clear intent was merely to bring the Arabs into the divine plan and into the religious family founded by the other great prophets, since they had previously felt “left out.”

The Quran condemns violence and aggression, and holds that killing is always a great evil (2:190 and 2:217). Moreover, while the Quran does permit a war of self-defense to fight persecution, when the Prophet Muhammed wrote it, one of his main purposes was precisely to stop indiscriminate killing!

The Quran states quite clearly that warfare is not the best way of dealing with difficulties and conflict. It says that the faithful should “argue (with unbelievers) in the most kindly manner, with wisdom and goodly exhortation.” It says that tolerance is far more advisable than retaliation. It says: “To bear yourselves with patience is far better for you, since God is with those who are patient in adversity.” (16:125-127) Indeed, it even says it is a meritorious act to “be charitable and to refrain from retaliation.” (5:45) It is very similar to the teaching of Jesus which advises us to turn the other cheek rather than retaliate by striking back.

Most of that is directly quoted from the book titled What IS the World Coming To? (ISBN: 0-595-31998-X) It dispels the myths and false beliefs that drive the Muslim Right and the Christian Right, and it fully exposes their bigotry and hypocrisy.

[oscar111]

19. Wont global warming affect Islam?

The whole issue is out of date,

No need to argue it at all.
In Europe last summer, 35 000 died from the beginnings of global warming. mostly the weak elderly.

When g warm gets going strong, the hot nations will perish. I think 95% of islam is in those hot nations.

Christians, too , will perish in mexico, brazil...

Buddhists, too, in cambodia.

If you value those people , Islamic, christian, and buddhists, you will work for the Kyoto idea, or an orbital sunshade.

Our real enemy is global warming, and it is here now.

[wabeewoman]

18. I sympathize Mopaul

I have a brother just like that. He hates Muslims and catholics and is all for bush because he is 'saved.' He selectively picks and chooses what he takes from the bible. He is quite intelligent but is a dependent personality-first drugs now religion. I'm blown away when he is talking about Christianity and mass murder in same breathe. There is no talking sense with my brother. I would like to see someone do a study about people like him-how do you explain such a lack of logical thinking, the contradictions and the extremism. Its a bit scary.

[Tight_rope]

20. Sorry...I wouldn't call your brother a Christian!

[greatauntoftriplets]

21. I work with a woman who has that same attitude.

She is Jewish and votes solidly Democratic. <sigh>, guess we need every vote we can.

[bpilgrim]

23. ask him how we will extract ALL their earthly fluids after they're NUKED?

robots maybe, but that might quite him up a while till rush starts preach'n again :evilgrin:

mopaul, you have the patience of a saint ;->

peace

[Classical_Liberal]

24. religious right churches brainwash their members

they don't teach religion.

[PurityOfEssence]

25. Not so fast with the hugs and kisses: Islam's got some major problems

and I'm sure you're fully aware how dangerous Christianity is. Islam is bent on marginalizing all non-believers unless they can be converted, it's profoundly anti-female, and with its silly little afterlife problem, it is incredibly useful to get people to sacrifice themselves for the Witchy Man.

Islam is not nice, and although I understand those who try to appease, it's extremely dangerous. Christianity is also brutally exclusive at its core, and far too malleable for those with evil intents to use it as cover.

Organized religions of these sorts are shockingly dangerous: they glorify unjustified beliefs, hate any questioning and get people in the habit of believing things without proof. I'm personally sick of the ridiculous premise that so much of society swallows, that "of course, religion's a good thing"; it isn't. It's a necessary evil, since people abhor having doubt and fear mortality, but buying off their worries with a tidy answer isn't a good thing.

Islam is very dangerous to world peace, and so is Christianity. Ask General Boykin.

[J Williams]

26. Not so fast with the condemnation

It should be noted that the so-called Christian Right is not really Christian, just as the so-called Muslim Right is not really Muslim. One should not judge either religion because of what certain bigots and hypocrites do in the name of religion.

Again, let me share some things that I read about Islam.

The Quran makes it very clear that Islam does not cancel out the messages of previous prophets, such as Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Enoch, and Jesus. In fact, the Quran (or Koran) commands Muslims to speak with great courtesy to Jews and Christians, because they all believe in the same God (29:46). Muhammed’s clear intent was merely to bring the Arabs into the divine plan and into the religious family founded by the other great prophets, since they had previously felt “left out.”

The Quran condemns violence and aggression, and holds that killing is always a great evil (2:190 and 2:217). Moreover, while the Quran does permit a war of self-defense to fight persecution, when the Prophet Muhammed wrote it, one of his main purposes was precisely to stop indiscriminate killing!

The Quran states quite clearly that warfare is not the best way of dealing with difficulties and conflict. It says that the faithful should “argue (with unbelievers) in the most kindly manner, with wisdom and goodly exhortation.” It says that tolerance is far more advisable than retaliation. It says: “To bear yourselves with patience is far better for you, since God is with those who are patient in adversity.” (16:125-127) Indeed, it even says it is a meritorious act to “be charitable and to refrain from retaliation.” (5:45) It is very similar to the teaching of Jesus which advises us to turn the other cheek rather than retaliate by striking back.

Most of that is directly quoted from the book titled What IS the World Coming To? (ISBN: 0-595-31998-X) It dispels the myths and false beliefs that drive the Muslim Right and the Christian Right, and it fully exposes their bigotry and hypocrisy.

[LeftistGorilla]

27. I dare him...

to try...

[stavka]

28. Could he list any five tenants of Islam?

Could he explain the foreign policy of any Islamic government?

Should the American Nation of Islam and it's members be killed? - how would that be done, machine guns or gas? How will we re-distribute all that Black wealth?

Would he like to help killing the children? I'm sure that will be a tough job, but it sounds like he's committed enough he might be up to the task.

Should we keep copies of Islamic texts just for historical purposes?

[Mara Steele]

29. How heartbreaking to hear this, mopaul

Must be very difficult for you to continue loving him, I know it would be nearly impossible for me....

I want to weep these kinds of beliefs, and the destruction that they sow daily...

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[Christof]

30. How Christian of your brother.

I mean, forget about Jesus preaching about love and joy to those different from you and "loving thy neighbor as thyself". Instead, Christians like your brother interpret that as "And Jesus said, let a nuke destroy all Muslims".

:eyes:

</sarcasm>

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. Tell him he would have made a great Nazi.

because THAT'S pretty much what the Nazi's said about the Jews.

[jus_the_facts]

32. ".....for the BIBLE tells 'im SO..."

....that's the LOGIC in LALALALALALALA..LAND!:evilfrown:

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

33. some Christian.

I'm not christian, but I respect and agree with a lot of what Jesus says in the bible. This brother of yours is absolutely NOT a Christian. Tell him that.

BTW I run into a lot of these types myself...a girl who is basically a friend of mine as long as we're not talking politics thinks that the two main threats to world peace are communism and Islam. :mad: