What party do PETA people belong to?

[mandyky]

yikes, I am watching American Candidate on Showtime and the PETA gut has a problem with cotton and leather (they are trying to dress him appropriately).

I like animals, but I am far more worried about the plight of people than stuff he's talking about and worried over...

[noahmijo]

1. They aren't affiliated with any party

Of course I think we could align them more with the left than the right, but I can't really think of any party whose base takes these people very seriously. I would venture to gather even Greens and Socialists enjoy a good steak now and then.

[lapfog_1]

2. OK I'll bite - what's wrong with cotton?

Is that an animal product too? What are the acceptable
materials (I refuse to wear synthetics)?

[Maple]

5. Boll weevils

They're looking for a home...

[Dob Bole]

12. Leadbelly?

Are you quoting a Leadbelly song? Awesome, because you are even if you don't know it!

[jmowreader]

15. Linen would be good

I can only think of the two vegetable fibres...wool maybe because it doesn't kill the sheep to collect it--it is like milk, the animal can regenerate it.

I was going to say silk, but you need to kill the silkworms to get it.

[jdj]

38. the problem with wool

Most imported from australia.

sheep loaded onto ships for 5-6 day journey.

no food, no water, no nothing for this time

MANY die on the way.


Prince has been very outspoken about informing people about the suffering that goes into wool products.

[lapfog_1]

45. I hate to ask

but why the hell would you ship sheep if all you want is wool?
Doesn't make any sense.

If you are talking about shipping live animals to replace herds
here... is that the best way to do it? Shipping live animals?
Wouldn't it be easier to create more sheep locally, the old fashioned
way? And if you just want the genetics, why not just ship the
appropriate genetic material.

I'm sure the wool industry has reasons, they just don't make much
sense to me yet, but I'm willing to be educated.

[Cheswick2.0]

51. You're kidding right?

PETA has gone nuts. Cotton is bad now?

[shanti]

17. hemp is the best

it would overtake cotton if legal.

[Massacure]

21. Cotton uses a lot of chemicals and water to grow

I'm surprised PETA would be involved with that though.

Hemp is probably a lot more environmentally friendly than cotton, however we all know how anal the government is about that...

[lapfog_1]

46. Rice requires a lot of water too

Does PETA want me to give up rice too?

And cotton feels the best against my skin.

Oh well. Can't be 100 percent PC I guess.

[jdj]

37. I think it has to do with bleaching and the disposal

of chemicals used for bleaching and the environmental effects, but I may be wrong on this.

[Kanary]

3. I'm with you on the priorities, but saying that here is likely to

engender a lightening storm.

Take Cover! :hi:

Kanary

[Vladimir]

24. I'm with you too

once we fix humans, then by all means lets think about animal rights. Right now, there are far too many of us dying needlessly...

[Kanary]

31. Thanks, Vladimir. Your words mean much to me.

:pal:

Kanary

[expatriot]

4. he had a problem with cotton?

PETA is not affiliated with any party...

but people who are sensitive to the suffering of others tend to NOT be affiliated with the ___________________ Party.

You fill in the blank.

[Cheswick2.0]

52. Nader party

They seem determined to make things worse.

[fujiyama]

54. I was thinkin

the crack party, but Nader would also fit.

[TrustingDog]

6. My take on that line...

"I like animals, but I am far more worried about the plight of people than stuff he's talking about and worried over..."
==
We are only as strong as the weakest among us.

[freetobegay]

7. The party of lunatics.

[Eric J in MN]

25. how tolerant (nt)

nt

[freetobegay]

55. self delete

[Kahuna]

8. I know a Republican Peta lady. I don't think they have a

party affiliation.

[El Supremo]

9. The Militant Vegetarian Party

Everything they due is for a calculated shock value. I am really sick of 'em.

[RebelOne]

10. In my opinion, if anyone is concerned about the welfare

of animals, then they must be Democrats, since most Democrats are compassionate. But then I speak for myself because I am an animal lover and vegetarian and Democrat.

[captainjack]

11. ahem

if animals weren't meant to be eaten, then why are they made out of meat?

i eat chickens, cows, shrimps, lobster, and whatever animal fish sticks come from...) and i'm a proud democrat. not all dems are vegans and not all re-pube-lick-an(u)s are steak lovers. they sure as hell as dumb as a stick in the rain, though.

i don't think the animal you eat really dictates your party affiliation.

[Dob Bole]

14. That's not what they were saying...

The poster was saying that compassionate people tend to be in the Democratic Party. It was a compliment.

[Nimrod]

19. PETA members are NOT compassionate

Remember, the Canadian branch ran ads comparing meat eaters to an active serial murderer while the women's bodies were being pulled out of the guy's backyard to be mailed back to their parents.

Even other animal rights groups hate them. I remember a few years back, an animal rights activist said in an interview "I spend nine months putting together a case for more humane treatment of test animals. Then the night before I go before a court those PETA idiots burn down a testing lab and kill two technicians, guaranteeing that I will be viewed as a dangerous lunatic."

There is no compassion there. Just zealotry and shock tactics.

[jdj]

28. Unless you have a link PETA did this, it's bullshit.

These are not their tactics. Stop spreading lies.

[Skip Intro]

42. Oh come on

what bs

[RebelOne]

60. That was ALF.

The Animal Liberation Front. They are notorious for actions like that.

[Eric J in MN]

13. I've never heard of an animal activist being against cotton.

Either there was some other issue, or he is alone on that one.

[mandyky]

47. he was talking about pesticides and herbicides used

he also only wanted used clothes, which I agree with. I think we are too much of a consumer society.

[Gothic Sponge]

16. I worry about both. People and animals

[OHswingvoter]

18. I have never known anybody

but Democrats to be animal activists. they are most definitely a group on the left of the political spectrum. I have always acknowledged them without agreeing with them. Pretty funny that some democrats don't want to acknowledge them. Is it because their causes are not that popular?

[Zomby Woof]

20. The party of Narcissism and Self-Absorption

[Eric J in MN]

22. caring about animals = self-absorption? Huh? nt

nt

[Zomby Woof]

32. animals are secondary

What they really care about is alleviating the guilt of their affluent white suburban upbringing. The animals are being used by PETA in their own way - making them no better than the eaters/consumers of animal products they sanctimoniously decry.

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[Eric J in MN]

40. And if a rightwinger said that Democrats only support

Social Secrutiy and Medicare for "alleviating the guilt of their affluent white suburban upbringing," would that be good analysis?

[Zomby Woof]

59. if you think I am a wingnut because I despise PETA

Think again. Or rather, think for the first time.

I have yet to see any members of PETA who aren't spoiled white kids from the suburbs, however.

[gpandas]

64. you should see my wife...

but stupid generalizations rule on du

[OHswingvoter]

23. I am a democratic meat eater

but the way I understand it the animal rights and the environmental movement are hand in hand. Because of the resources that it takes to raise cattle and stuff. I have worked with a few activists they were very concerned about stopping cattle grazing and things like that. They are also tied into the anti-gun lobby (to stop hunting). All of these are loosely connected groups on the left that have common interests it seems.

The good thing is that Clinton figured out how to handle activists on the left. He gives them nothing perhaps a few words of comfort which is enough to keep their votes, but gave his actions to the mainstream democrats. That is how we win folks. Clinton is a VERY smart man. He knows that we don't have to give these people anything, they aren't going anywhere (can you imagine them voting for W? would never happen!). Since we have their vote, there is no need to give them anything politically because that would damage us with mainstream voters. Clinton is a genius who handles these problems with brilliance. I know that makes some people mad, but winning and being in office and power is what is important here. Not caving in to all these small groups that have agendas that only appeal to a few thousand people. don't worry. we won't lose their votes. they have no where else to go.

[progressivebydesign]

26. The Donner Party.

I've never heard them speak out against eating humans.

sorry... that was tasteless.. I mean, classless. But it made me chuckle.

[jdj]

27. Cute.

Best answer so far.

Sadly.

(the rest of this is not a response to caliphoto, just a rant)

I think it is tragic that people who should know better (liberals) still justify eating meat and cruelty to animals seemingly based on some "divine plan" or "innate superiority" of humans.

Most educated people have a reaonable grasp on the timeline of the earth's lifespan. If it were a year, humans show up at the end of December.

The only justification people here could have for eating meat contiguous to their other supposedly liberal ideals is that humans are animals as well, not "god's" favorite child, or whatever other nonsense. But cruelty toward other species is not implicit in any of that. I have never read so much right-wing spin on DU as on this thread, congratulations to all the brainwashed. PETA doesn't burn down labs and kill people, that is a bunch of bullshit. There are far more radical animal groups that probably would (and have) if they get the chance, but they are nowhere near as large and in public view, purposely. I am not a member of PETA, or any other animal rights organization, but I'm intelligent enough to know that if the right-wing press (otherwise known as "the media") is demonizing an organization then perhaps I need to ask why. The reason is that PETA is helping move public sentiment against factory farming, which is intensely cruel to animals and motivated purely by money, like everything else the right-wing does. The changes PETA and humane, compassionate people desire for animals in labs, slaughterhouses, circuses, etc, COST MONEY. Factory farming is one of those rightwing things like out-sourcing or the patriot act, IT SUCKS AND IS ONLY GOOD FOR THE RICH AND POLITICALLY CONNECTED. It's relatively new on the horizon, having come from someone's brainstorm of 'what if we treat animals (except humans) like they aren't alive'.
It is sick and hideous.

But I'm not here to convince anyone of that. I just want to congratulate everyone of the name callers for an uncharacteristically stunning lack of political cynicism. And I thought people here were smarter than that.

[revree]

29. I am a Peta person

and I am a Democrat. You can love people and animals at the same time. Suffering affects all living things. Yes, many Peta people go to extremes for their beliefs, but, hey, don't we do that with human issues as well?

I eat meat. I just pray and thank the animal before I do, like many native peoples do. I used to be veggie, not wear any animal products (still don't do that) and I still don't use products tested on animals, but everyone has to do what is right for their own life and evolvement...

Still, I think most Petans are greens, Independents or Dems.

[Kanary]

30. I appreciate your values.

"I just pray and thank the animal before I do, like many native peoples do."

Exactly! And, I hope you do the same for the plants you consume. Plants are people, too. err.... weell, sorta..... you know what i mean. :)

"Yes, many Peta people go to extremes for their beliefs, but, hey, don't we do that with human
issues as well?"

Actually, no. I would be delighted if the PETA people would also march and demonstrate for the causes of suffering *people*. This society sneers at people who are suffering, and the Dems have abandoned them. At this point, animals get more attention and support than people do. Do you know there was an ASPCA *years* before there was any protective organization for children? There are other examples like that.

"You can love people and animals at the same time."

Exactly. I appreciate your level-headedness. Some of the harsh attacks by animal-rights groups are just as divisive as the RW attacks. I have been downright stunned at some of the vile things that have been said here on DU.

Kanary

[jdj]

35. this is misinformation

"At this point, animals get more attention and support than people do. Do you know there was an ASPCA *years* before there was any protective organization for children? There are other examples like that."

This is a crock.

When you pass a dog hit by a car, does anyone call 911,does an ambulance come???

If a person gets hit by a car, will you continue to pass their rigid corpse on the side of the road for weeks?

This may sound like a ridiculous example, but you made a ridiculous and false assertion.

Animals don't get 1% of the "attention and support" that people do. Kudos to the spinners of corporate oligarchy for putting this ridiculous notion in your head. You've swallowed judeo-christian ethics hook, line and sinker, as your sanctimonious and superior tone indicates. Why should PETA (it stands for People For the Ethical Treatment of ANIMALS, by the way) march for human causes when their thrust is that all species are equal...I can't even begin to imagine how many other species there are on this planet, I'm sure it's well into the trillions, and if we are in complete control of this planet's destiny and we are concerned about only one species, us, well, then, it kind of sounds like PETA has their hands full with all the others.

If you believe humans are superior and matter more than animals based on religious reasons, fine. There is absolutely no scientific basis for that belief. If it's not religion, then you have compartmentalized. That's fine, too, just admit your psychosis instead of condescending from on high to people who cop to cleaving unto humanity because it is an inborn survival instinct, that all sentient beings possess, to make sure their species and therefore they remain on the planet. By the way, sentient means ability to interpret sensation, a characteristic plants do not have, as they lack a cerebral cortex and can't interpret sensation. Science is a wonderful thing. Check it out sometime.

[Kanary]

39. You're mistaken, you've totally and viciously mischaracterized me

and done exactly what your organization is known for doing.

Dividing.

There is no point in trying to discuss anything with people who say whatever untrue things they wish, just to put people on the defensive, whether it's the RW, PETA, or any other extremist group.

buhbye.........

[jdj]

41. from a previous post of mine in this thread

"I am not a member of PETA, or any other animal rights organization, but I'm intelligent enough to know that if the right-wing press (otherwise known as "the media") is demonizing an organization then perhaps I need to ask why. The reason is that PETA is helping move public sentiment against factory farming, which is intensely cruel to animals and motivated purely by money, like everything else the right-wing does. The changes PETA and humane, compassionate people desire for animals in labs, slaughterhouses, circuses, etc, COST MONEY. Factory farming is one of those rightwing things like out-sourcing or the patriot act, IT SUCKS AND IS ONLY GOOD FOR THE RICH AND POLITICALLY CONNECTED. It's relatively new on the horizon, having come from someone's brainstorm of 'what if we treat animals (except humans) like they aren't alive'."

I hate to repeat myself, but this bears repeating.

[Vladimir]

57. There is however also no scientific basis

for us to care about the welfare of animals, other than the preservation of the eco-balance without which life on Earth would be impossible. But this is based on enabling the survival of humans, nothing else. The entire animal rights argument is motivated by ethics, which are a social construct.

[Radio-Active]

50. Actually...

many animal rights activists I know are also human rights activists. They just obviously wouldn't do it under the banner of "animal rights".

Of course PETA isn't going to start acting like Amnesty International.. that's not the organization's role.

[Cronus Protagonist]

53. I think plants are a higher form of life than animals

They've been around longer, have a symbioti relationship with the environment and are just as much alive as you and I.


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[Cronus Protagonist]

33. I know a few hard-core PETA people

Abd they're all hard-core Naderites who tell everyone they know to boycott the election because "they're all the same".

Just my two cents.


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[Piperay]

49. I was in the animal rights movement

awhile back and many PETA people ARE repukes, go figure. :shrug:

[RebelOne]

61. I am also a PETA person.

And I'm a Democrat and a vegetarian.

[UdoKier]

34. The whole range from Green & Libertarian to Dem...

With a couple of annoying veggie republicans in there for bad measure!

[Skip Intro]

43. Yay! Another bash PETA thread.

The only time I see animal rights discussed here is in a PETA thread. They keep the topic alive and help affect change. I wish nothing but success for them.

Why do some here prefer to bash the messenger rather than hear the message?

Put some focus on those humans who cause animals liftimes of misery. They're the ones who deserve your scorn.

[donheld]

44. People Eating Tasty Animals

sorry if that disturbs you, but i think we have enough work to do for human rights. i do believe in being kind to animals, but i don't think we have to be vegatarians.

actually i think we should all be dessertitarians.

:bounce:

[Piperay]

48. Many of them are repukes

I know that for a fact. I was involved in the animal rights movement and though I didn't belong to PETA I met several of them. Some are Democrats but I would say that just as many of them are repukes, it never made sense to me because if you care about animals you should be concerned about the environment and we know how repukes treat that. x(

I think that while many people who are into animal rights care about animals and people some animal rights people love animals to the exclusion of people and those are the ones who tend to go repuke.

[The Flaming Red Head]

56. All I know is one of them sent an e-mail wanting to beat me up

my two cats, my dog, and my parakeet can't stand them, either.


And all of them eat meat, except the parakeet and he's partial to hemp seeds.

[The Flaming Red Head]

63. My only dialogue with PETA (in response to cats taste like chicken)

Peta member's e-mail: to me

******************************************************************

want to make sure you read my reply to your post on the PETA thread; post follows:

"that's seriously unfunny. & trite.

you know what i like to do? slap shit out of animal abusers.

and i like to point out how vapid, weak, & trivial people are that joke about hurting animals.

i spend a lot of time caring & rescuing cats and dogs that have been abandoned & abused. i take it very seriously. & i wd *gut* any asshole that i caught trying to hurt one of mine. eviscerate.

please spend a bit more time reading & thinking before you make stupid, redneck bumper sticker jokes.

oh, & btw, cooked people smell like pork. odd coincidence, neh?"

try to show a little respect for the feelings of others. please.


My response:

> You are not going to slap the shit out of me creep. Try it and see what
happens to you. You're an idiot.











Subject Re: flaming red head

it took you long enough to compose such a stinging response. unless you DO
abuse animals, you wdnt be worth my time. if you do, perhaps you'd like to
try a man someX instead, son.

i classify YOU as the vapid, weak & trivial person that jokes about about
hurting animals; hence, i will only ridicule you publicly.

"try it & see what happens"? i killed my 1st man @ 18. my confirmed body
count in viet nam was 4. how many notches on your gun, little cowboy? i
spent the next 20 years as a cop, 3 of that in undercover narcotics.
whilst so employed, i earned my blackbelts in kenpo karate & southern
praying mantis kung fu. i have no doubt what would "happen". i didn't
threaten you, but it sounds as if, in the petulent rage resulting from your
public shame, that you'd like to threaten me. but you'd have to step up
from behind that keyboard, wdnt you? i doubt you're up for that, but can
make myself available, if you'd like.


His final e-mail so far





when i 1st replied to your email, i had not viewed your profile & did not
realize that you're female. my reply, therefore, was to a pugilistic male.
your original post, and subsequent rejoinder, reflect discredit on your
gender; your remarks are what i wd expect from an uneducated male of
southern extraction.

i don't like you, & assume you don't care for me either. i'm settling this
matter by putting you on ignore & blocking any messages from you on my
private email account. as far as i'm concerned, you no longer exist.

[curse10]

58. We have no party affiliation

There are PETA members that are Democrat, Republican, Socialist, Green, Libertarian, and independent. Love for animals can have universal appeal.

[Cocoa]

62. they have their own candidate

http://carrot2004.com/default.asp