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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 03:55 AM
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You can't have it both ways...
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 03:55 AM by ParisFrance
George Bush is always telling us we are safer than ever. He also tells us terrorism is an immenent, dangerous , and real threat to America and it's values.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 04:01 AM
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1. Yeah, but Bush is an idiot.
So are his supporters.

So logical arguments like "you can't have it both ways" aren't terribly effective on them.
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ParisFrance Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 04:08 AM
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3. Actually his campaign is the one that uses the catch phrase
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 04:09 AM by ParisFrance
Apparently it does affect them because the crowds cheer whenever he says it. This is also shows the hypocrisy of his campaign.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 05:07 AM
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4. He most certainly does say it...
it is not just his campaign. Jon Stewart did a clip with him saying it about a dozen times in one speech. If you wish to defend him on this quote, you may want to strongly reconsider that "strategery".
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 04:06 AM
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2. You are missing the big picture.
The worldview he is selling is one where the US is constantly a moment away from being destroyed. Thier entire foriegn and domestic policy is based on this idea. It used to be communists, now it is terrorists, but everyone must believe that there is always an imminent and dangerous threat that can only be held at bay by the utmost effort. This is why we have a bloated military budget. This is why we cant afford social programs, this is why we cant afford civil liberties.

If you buy into this worldview as many many republicans do, then it is possible for Bush to make us safer than ever but to still have an immenent threat. "Terrorism is so much an immenent threat that even the greatest of fighters can only hold it at bay and bush is the greatest of fighter, so removing him would mean giving up the battle, because a lessor fighter would not be able to hold the threat at bay." Would be the basic gist of it.
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Carson Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 10:00 AM
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5. Exactly.
I've heard it put this way many times by Repubs.

They liken it to WWII. Were we as a nation safer during the war than we were before it? Yes, they say, because we were fighting the scourge of Nazism.
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Hunter_1253 Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 10:08 AM
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6. The ironic thing is...
that we (Americans) were responsible for the rise of the Nazi party in Germany do to our piss poor efforts in foreign policy after WW1, and also responsible for the shitstorm that is Iraq now due to years and years of failed foreign policy in the Middle East. We learned the lesson in Germany after WW2, and effectively repaired both the country and the citizen's view of Americans after the war. Chimpy is doing neither of those things now in Iraq, and it appears that Jeb, Babs, or Jenna will have to go in there one more time when one of those nutjobs steal another American election.
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