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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:38 PM
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O'Liely said "Guess what people, the Fed Gov can't afford health care."
He was bashing the GOP for acting too much like Democrats. Well that part he's right on the money. But he also said it was imposssible for the Gov to pay for health care after he spewed his BS social darwinest crap.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:44 PM
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1. said it was imposssible for the Gov to pay for health care<<
Only because they are too busy giving $$ to defense contractors, the wealthy, and others who don't really need it. WTF is up with this country.... how can people know these things... and support shrub??

Just how in the hell do people think? They MUST be putting something in the water... they just gotta be.

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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 08:36 PM
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8. our lack of a real progressive tax system is why we cannot afford it
If we just had a more progressive taxation system, we could pay for it.
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:48 PM
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24. Health care
"It was the best of times,it was the worst of times,for the rich,most of them cheated or stole in order to acquire their wealth,as for the poor to the rich we are a pain in the ass,it is the worst of times,so why do the poor vote for the people that hate our poor asses?-------WAKE UP POOR FOLKS LETS RID THIS COUNTRY OF THOSE RICH ,GREEDY PEOPLE THAT DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR PLIGHT.Bush must go but all those other rich clowns that steal the little that we still own,you damn right its class warfare and the rich are winning,so all you poor people lets come together and rid this country of the the real terroist in our midst.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:45 PM
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2. Whew! It's about time they cut out health care for members of Congress
Yeah, right.

:eyes:
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:51 PM
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3. Well maybe not right now, but after we get a decent liberal in the
White House and some more in Congress, maybe we can!

Here's what we could have bought with the money that we blew on the Iraqi adventure:

Could the $144.4 billion spent on Iraq been better used to protect the American people from terrorist threats? The Center for American Progress offers this answer.  

$7.5 billion to safeguard our ports.
$4 billion to expedite upgrading the Coast Guard fleet.
$2 billion to improve cargo security.
$10 billion to protect all U.S. commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles.
$5 billion to purchase state-of-the-art baggage screening machines.
$240 million to equip the airports with walk-through explosive detectors.
$7 billion to put 100,000 police officers the nation's streets.
$2.5 billion to increase funding for fire departments
$350 million for integrating emergency radio systems nationwide.
$3 billion to secure major roads and rails.
$30.5 billion to secure from theft the world's nuclear weapons-grade material.
$2.25 billion to expedite the work of the Nunn-Lugar Threat Reduction program.
$24 billion to add two divisions to the Army.
$15.5 billion to double the number of active-duty troops in the Special Operations Forces.
$8.6 billion to rebuild Afghanistan.
$11 billion to buy Afghanistan's opium crop.
$10 billion to increase U.S. development assistance to the neediest countries.
$775 million to dramatically increase public diplomacy.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=171438
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They_LIHOP Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:44 PM
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17. Please don't get me wrong, BUT...
If this were any country OTHER than the USA, which produces the petro-dollar as fiat currency, I would agree 100%. But our economy doesn't work the way the rest of the worlds does. In fact, as long as the USA maintains Dollar Hegemony and maintains the status quo of the petro-dollar system, the US has it's hands on the printing press as far as money goes. We cannot run out of money until the worlds oil runs out. And as a side benefit (or curse, depending) dollar hegemony is both the ONLY reason that the USA is able to even *think* about projecting its power the way we do, and the ONLY reason we live even REMOTELY as comfortably as we do here in the USA.

For better or worse, the real cost of FAILING to maintain this advantage would so COMPLETELY dwarf the numbers listed here as to make them chump-change. Although I don't agree w/their overall analysis of what 'good' can be done by invading and occupying Iraq in order to control the oil, I understand their thinking. Which was that the USA cannot afford to allow oil to be sold in euros, as Saddam was trying to do, because this practice might then spread amongst oil-producers, which then would severely diminish the wealth and power of the USA in the world. And this could be quite a bad thing, because it would mean pretty quickly we'd be living like the average farmer in Bangladesh. Also, overall, this is still the greatest country in the world when it's being run by decent, honest people in the government, and according to its Constitution, and there's no OTHER country I'd rather see as the world's vanguard. I think we all agree on this point.

Now, ideally, in a democracy like ours, a decision to launch an imperial adventure to control the worlds energy resources should not be made behind closed doors, sheltered from the public by lies, etc. Our Soldiers, and the innocent people of Iraq, should NOT be dying for these lies, they should be told the truth, and the subject debated. The supposition that the Euro might take the place of the dollar if Saddam began marketing oil in euros should also have been publically debated, the case for both sides laid out to us by serious experts. The public should be educated about things like the phenomenon of peak oil, the role of the petro-dollar and dollar hegemony, and all the other pieces of this puzzle I call 'the real reasons' for the invasion. But, that would be in an ideal world, and we clearly do not live in one of those.

Fact is, it would be a serious disaster for any government to openly admit on the world stage that that they are doing what the US is doing in Iraq. And ESPECIALLY to admit the real reasons for doing so. The ramifications to all our livelihoods could be pretty extreme, if bushco admitted the whole truth about this fiasco. So, they obviously made a calculated decision that they had to make up a bull$hit excuse for why we went and did what we did. And this lie was both for domestic AND international consumption. Not saying I AGREE with the reasoning entirely, but I DO understand why they did it.

Knowing what I know, my problem w/Bush and the Iraq War is that I don't honestly believe he is doing it to benefit AMERICA, but rather, for his cronies in Big Texas Oil and the Defense industry. Because this whole thing was decided behind closed doors, there is tremendous opportunity for massive fraud and corruption in it's execution, and it certainly appears that bushco are intent on directing any potential benefits towards themselves. Which makes this dirty undertaking all the more difficult to live with, and exposes ALL of America to the repercussions of an act which was in all likelihood intended to benefit only a few greedy, power-hungry fundamentalist zealots.

At the end of the day, bottom-line, the fact that it has come to this is very depressing and very scary. Because it means that our Nation has failed in any number of very meaningful ways. Most significantly, it means that because we, as a society, arrogantly refused to even attempt to develop a society that was sustainable according to ecological/chemical/thermodynamic LAWS. Laws that we understood to be LAWS about a hundred friggin years ago. We are now forced to become murderers and thieves in order to cheat the laws of thermodynamics for a few more measly years at best before we are crushed by the weight of our folly and arrogance.

And when our Nation falls, nobody outside our borders is going to give a flying f***, because we were the first Nation, that anyone will personally remember, that, when the chips were down, chose to basically say 'f*** you world, its every man for himself now!', broke all our treaties, and undermined the only international agency that could have POSSIBLY formulated and implemented a global, semi-humane 'soft-landing' policy to mitigate the Peak Oil problem.

The Iraq War signifies that the USA believes it's 'okay' to invade, slaughter, occupy, etc, in order to preserve it's energy supply and it's standard of living. And is so doing, render the very concept of sovereignty meaningless.

The worst, scariest part is that this most likely means that this oil raiding cabal doesn't really care about the sovereignty of the USA, either. So any of you wingnuts that are coming on DU reading this and thinking that you love bushco even MORE now that you realize he's out there raping and pillaging for the USA, don't kid yourself! YOU are not going to be a beneficiary, just cause YOU are a right-wing American, too, just like your Emperor! Oh, no. The plan is for a New World Order, my friend, and to these people determined to take charge of the world by controlling the oil supplies, you are nothing more or less than another imperial subject, a citizen of the world, a cog in the machine that exists to serve the New World Empire, for as long as it pleases them.

Again, although I understand the neo-cons rationale and thought-processes, I still think Iraq was an evil choice to make in a democracy w/o a serious public debate wherein we discuss ALL the facts, and ALL of our options. I also believe that little or no 'Good' will come of this evil act of attacking Iraq. In fact, the decision to do so will likely precipitate the exact OPPOSITE of what the hegemonists ultimately hoped it would. Life tends to work out that way... But since plan B was just to at least get really rich by ripping Iraq and the Treasury off, so that they will get to survive the oil crash longer than the rest of us, they probably will achieve at least some measure of success, pyrhhic (sp) though it will be for everyone else in the World ...

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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:15 PM
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20. USA maintains Dollar Hegemony ? In Bush world, I'll take Euro thanks.
The dollar: she seems to tank daily.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:54 PM
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4. 6 months ago
Tommy Thompson said were going to give free health care to every Iraqi. Plenty of $ for them ...none for us. Why does our government hate us so?
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:56 PM
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5. France can afford it. Are they better than us?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:58 PM
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6. Medicare with private insurance is not affordable - so we end Medicare -or
end private health insurance.

Hell of a choice.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 08:00 PM
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7. It doesn't have to
We are already paying for universal health care--we just aren't getting it.--Dennis Kucinich
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 08:46 PM
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9. But it CAN afford endless war.
O'Reilly is a jerk. Hell, he made it so why can't everyone else?

Problem is, if the private sector woin't step up to the plate to solve this problem then the government must. It is not in the best interests of the country to have millions of poor, sick people.

MzPip
:dem:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 08:47 PM
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10. BULLSHIT. Every other developed nation (with the possible exception
of South Africa) can afford it. So the USA can too, dammit.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 08:55 PM
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11. No, South Africa is getting it now
The real problem is that we're spending vastly more on the military than all the rest of the world combined--never mind the countries that could actually be a threat.

But if you mention this, then all the Republicanites jump up and down and say "Soft on defense!" and all the pigheaded macho, dumb-and-proud-of-it All-American regular guys nod in agreement.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:25 PM
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12. At present revenue levels it can't...
But if taxes were raised to pay for SINGLE payer on the Canadian or Swedish model, it COULD pay for it, and the extra taxes would cost us all a FRACTION of what we're paying now in premiums, not to mention how much simpler it would be if we eliminated the redundant layers of insurance company and HMO.

It's worked wonderfully everywhere it's been tried. Our system is an unmitigated disaster.

O'Liely betrays his true right-wing nature so often it's amazing people buy his act as an "independent"

Have I mentioned how much I HATE these people?
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cosmicvortex20 Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:31 PM
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13. I think hes wrong...
we definately could afford it if we didnt pump money into the war...

but I still dont think its an entitlement... I dont see how I can have a right to anything that other people have to provide.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:36 PM
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14. them bombs ain't CHEAP! and the iraqs need thier FREEDOM more than YOU!
SHUT UP!

peace
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:38 PM
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15. Unless you don't "misplace" 2.3 trillion dollars, that is.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:42 PM
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16. that damned Marxist!
he thinks government is nothing but a "parasite feeding upon and clogging the free movement of society"

maybe I should stop reading about Communism...the more I read, the more I think of Republicans like Alan Keyes and Karl Marx...I mean Rove. :freak:
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:08 PM
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18. Social healthcare == NO THANKS.
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Christof Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:12 PM
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19. Oh, the Fed Gov can't afford health care, but they can afford...
a $130 billion war?!????

:wtf:!!!???

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:27 PM
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21. Yes, we can spend our children's futures on taking lives in Iraq for no
justifiable reason, billions every day, but we can't spend a dime to save American lives at home.

This is republican philosophy in a nutshell.

Fascist pigs, all of them.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:31 PM
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22. What kind of junk is that? n/t
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:42 PM
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23. I guess 'Merikans aren't as smart as those commies in Sweden, Cuba, Norway
Edited on Tue Aug-31-04 10:43 PM by leesa
Netherlands, etc., etc. All have excellent health care systems provided by their government.
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