Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

America stood by and behind Nelson Mandela ??

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:22 PM
Original message
America stood by and behind Nelson Mandela ??
I mean there has been a lot of garbage in the Gropinator's speech, but how could he say with a straight face that American stood by Nelson Mandela?

he's ignorant or a liar -- probably both.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:24 PM
Response to Original message
1. Don't tell that to Dick Cheney.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:24 PM
Response to Original message
2. The whole thing is a bunch of sniveling, revisionist hoke
I am aghast.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:25 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'm tellin' ya
I about lost my dinner on that line, and a few others that came with it. Unbelievable appropriation of liberal values as if they were their own.

I've said before: they HAVE to lie about us and lie about themselves (they've got nothing else), and appropriating liberal values (lip service only, of course) is just another one of those lies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. agreed
good to see your posts Eloriel
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:26 PM
Response to Original message
4. The fact is that...
...99.99% of the people who heard him say that thought to themselves, "...Uh, okay. Cool. We stood behind Nelson Whassisname..." or some facsimile thereof.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. agreed, but
i agree that not too many are going to know of the true facts relating to American "support" of Nelson Mandela, but you'd think that someone in the media would call them on this ... and explain the truth.

I guess that's asking too much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:27 PM
Response to Original message
5. Yeah...They stood by and let those racist jail him for 27 years!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. In case any don't know -- here's a run down on it
Edited on Tue Aug-31-04 09:36 PM by eablair3
they not only stood by ... they were crucial in putting him in jail)

How the CIA sent Nelson Mandela
to prison for 28 years
by William Blum


When Nelson Mandela was released from prison in February 1990, President George Bush personally telephoned the black South African leader to tell him that all Americans were "rejoicing at your release". This was the same Nelson Mandela who was imprisoned for almost 28 years because the CIA tipped off South African authorities as to where they could find him. This was the same George Bush who was once the head of the CIA and who for eight years was second in power of an administration whose CIA and National Security Agency collaborated closely with the South African intelligence service, providing information about Mandela's African National Congress.{1} The ANC, like all left-leaning nationalistic movements, was perceived by Washington as being part of the infamous (albeit mythical) International Communist Conspiracy.

On August 5, 1962, Nelson Mandela had been on the run for 17 months when armed police at a roadblock flagged down his car outside Howick, Natal. How the police came to be there was not publicly explained. In late July 1986, however, stories appeared in three South African newspapers (picked up shortly thereafter by the London press and, in part, by CBS-TV) which shed considerable light on the question. The stories told of how a CIA officer, Donald C. Rickard by name, under cover as a consular official in Durban, had tipped off the Special Branch that Mr. Mandela would be disguised as a chauffeur in a car headed for Durban. This was information Rickard had obtained through an informer in the ANC.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/CIAMandela_WBlum.html



However, in Ahnold's world == this is America standing behind Nelson Mandela.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Neo Fascists re-write history...
all the time. It is the way that they brainwash the ingorant.

I feel another Civil War coming on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them
Edited on Tue Aug-31-04 09:42 PM by eablair3
Franken's title is really appropriate tonight.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 10:18 PM
Response to Original message
11. thank God that mess of steroids, botox, and cheap tanning lotion is out of
the state!
He can't visit many EU nations due to legal hormone-level restrictions in beef coming into the countries...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 09:22 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC