Need that bible reference that 'proves' Bush is the anti-christ.

[abrock]

Anyone got it? I heard it was posted a while back and was told to start a new topic about it. I'd like to see it, if for no other reason than for myself. (But if it seems somewhat credible, time to parade it out for my ultra right wing family)

[liberalnurse]

1. It's not just one it is the collective.....

[abrock]

2. Ok, whatever!

I just want the evidence, I don't care if its one or 100 references. :)

[Connie_Corleone]

3. Well, for tonight,

"When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel standing in the holy place flee to the mountains…For then shall be great tribulation… Immediately after the tribulation of those days."

Matthew 24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

II Thess. Chap.2 3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

[LuLu550]

4. you really have to plow through revelations

and connect the dots. There is talk of a great leader who will be a hailed as a peace maker. Then you have to put the Iraq war into that context for it to be current. It refers to a war in the middle east, with Israel being invaded from the north.

Maybe if you google it. I have seen several posts out on the Internet with better documentation than I have given.

[IdaBriggs]

5. I know there are others, but this seems like a good one...

Revelations 13:1-8

1: And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads; and on its horns were ten diadems, and on its heads were blasphemous names. {The evil seven leaders of the Bush administration constitute the Beast}

2: And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And the dragon gave it his power and his throne and great authority. {More details on the folks in the administration}

3: One of its heads seemed to have received a death-blow, but its mortal wound had been healed. In amazement the whole earth followed the beast. {That one is Ashcroft, who lost an election to a dead man, but is now Attorney General}

4: They worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying "Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?" {Bush Sr = dragon; Bush Jr = beast}

5: The beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. {Bush Jr}

6: It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, that is, those who dwell in Heaven. {More Bush Jr, see his policies}

7: Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. It was given authority over every tribe and people and language and nation, {Bush Jr, Wars & United Nations}

8: and all the inhabitants of the earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slaughtered. {see: fundies who do not act like Jesus the Liberal}

Please keep in mind that Revelations can be made to say pretty much anything you want it to -- its one of the fun things about interpreting "prophecy!" These quotes are from the Oxford Annotated version, which goes on to say this about the origins of Revelations:

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Although parts of the book may have been reduced to writing before the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70, it is probable that the author, whose name is John, put the book in its present form toward the close of the reign of the Emperor Doitian (AD 81-96). It was then that Domitian began to demand that his subjects address him as "Lord and God" and worship his image. For refusing to do so, many Christians were put to death; others, like John, were exiled, and all were threatened. One reason for the author's couching his teaching in mysterious figures and extraordinary metaphors was to prevent the imperial police from recognizing that this book is a trumpet call to the persecuted, assuring them that despite the worst that the Roman Empire could do, God reigns supreme, and Christ, who died and is alive forevermore, has the power to overcome all evil. And therefore John closes his book with the prayer, "Come, Lord Jesus!"
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You might want to read the book before you use any of these quotes. Biblical scholars can do better than I can, of course, but at least you can have some fun with it and your family. It should be a new bonding experience!!! :)

[Orangepeel]

7. 42 months?

that's good news ;-)

[Lerkfish]

6. revelations is highly open to interpretation...

just like nostradamus, various groups have perceived their own "truths" from it that differ from other groups. Probably because its highly allegorical in nature and somewhat vague (as most prophecies are) in certain details.

you can get sidetracked in the chapter and verse and that's a rabbit hole that can produce nothing, so stick with the basics:

The antichrist will rule the entire world with an iron hand. He will fool even the elect into following him. The area of Armageddon is the general area of the Middle East (that much seems clear, at least), and he will rebuild the temple (whether this is empirical or metaphorical, I don't know).

So, keep that in mind, and then read the PNAC mission statement:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

that's the goal: world domination. The method is various, but as we see in Iraq, its with an iron hand. The religious right worship him as the new messiah, practically. The only things remaining are rebuilding the temple, and requiring the mark of the beast to implanted in people (which, to be a little scary, the technology already exists and is being used in Mexico to implant ID chips).