Revisiting: Where are all the bodies of Hur. Charlie victims?

[Gold Metal Flake]

As we read on this forum, there were allegations of hundreds of dead as a result of hurricane Charlie. Tales of refrigerated trucks with corpses stacked like cord wood.

People asked for photographic proof, but none has surfaced. If these allegations are true, it would be evidence of a massive coverup. If they are false, well, shame shame. But, another hurricane is approaching Florida, and I realized that in all the convention furor that the allegations of hidden human victims of Charlie had been left behind.

So, I am asking again; any pictures? Any proof? If so, lets get it out before this next storm hits.

Well?

[supercrash]

1. That seems to be a problem with this board...

Some of the LIHOP posts are very extreme, and make the board look silly

Same with the Charley claims.

"This has legs, Bush is toast"

Repeat every ten minutes....gulp

[hang a left]

11. Really

What part of LIHOP do you find extreme?

[bobbyboucher]

25. Isn't it great to have people looking after us?

So many supporters keeping us in check. Gosh, we need to thank them for being reasonable while we all get hysterical.

I am so happy. Can I have another Coke please, and a Big Mac. Thank you good corporate friend.

[sidestreamer]

40. The whole goddamn thing ((n/t))

[TheWatcher]

44. Sleep Little Lamb.

Sleep.

George Will Prtoect you.

[supercrash]

2. I also heard...

That a missile hit the Pentagon

It seems nobody likes this thread

All these issues should have taught DUer's a lesson...time will tell

[Gold Metal Flake]

8. Well, my question is serious. I don't mean to be flip.

I'm hip to the tin hat aspect of this, and it is a sensationalist topic. I just want to know if there is a factual basis. If so, there must be some evidence. So, I post this to get it up to eye level in case someone has some info. If not, OK.

[anarchy1999]

22. Re: Pictures

This is from an earlier report from the same Michael Edwards listed below:

"I have been contacted, through email, by various mainstream newspapers and other controlled radio media asking for interviews and copyright permission to publish my posts. My answer to them is if they couldn’t report the truth before, then I doubt they will report the truth now. More so, I am not about to let any of them increase their profits via the larger readership they will receive from these updates or eyewitness reports. As for the alternative media groups who have contacted me, I will try to get back with you as soon as I am able.

Regarding the repeated email requests that we post pictures of the fatalities: The pictures we have will not be posted or published anywhere for the near future. We all voted and it was unanimous that these pictures be kept safe and eventually be used to expose the mounting untruths that are unfolding from this disaster. Besides that, we feel there is enough death surrounding us at the moment; enough horror has already been seen and experienced. If we post any of those kinds of pictures, others will use them for their own purposes, for personal fame, or for political gain."

http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?p=4...

Somehow, I do not believe he is lying.

[Padraig18]

23. What absolute bilge wash!

How convenient that they would choose not to publish the pictures...

:eyes:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. "If we post the pictures, others will use them for political gain"

Guess they're worried that this might lessen Bush's chances for re-selection - Port Charlotte IS a Republican area after all. So if the whole thing is true - then fuck 'em.

[hang a left]

12. So.........

what do you think hit the pentagram?

[Blue Wally]

3. I am here in ground zero for Frances

Looking for the black helicopters to come take my dead body away.

Seriously, battening down the hatches, putting up the hurricane panels, and preparing for forced evac to the shelter (I live east of US-1).

National Guard is on alert (the whole brigade). Those poor guys are being run ragged what with airport and port security after 09/11/01, a trip to Iraq, Charley, and now Frances. Back under Eisenhower, we had a very large National Guard (FL had a full division). It got cut to the bone under McNamara and further cut in the 90s. Maybe we need a much larger ARNG.

[Gold Metal Flake]

4. Good luck to ya.

I grew up on the gulf coast and I have been through a couple of hurricanes. Hope you come out safe and whole.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. Are you in the East Coast?

n/t

[Blue Wally]

35. Yes, east coast

Broward County just east of route 1 (Pimp 'n' Ho Beach).

[HuskerDem]

5. The tinfoil brigade makes this board look pretty ridiculous sometimes

It's easy to do on an open board and I have a suspicion that many of them are actually freepers.

They have masturbatory fantasies about how all of us are really just a bunch of unbathed pagan drug addicts of Afro-French parentage, lurking nearby to snatch their guns and turn their kids gay.

[madfloridian]

6. They are the same place all the Andrew pics of bodies are.

And only God knows that. I do know that even the local news people at the scene were a little weird when talking about the number of deaths.

If you really believe there were only 4 deaths in Charlotte County with a category 4 hitting with little evacuation.....then you can buy my swamp land in dry season.

[LunaC]

7. Some numbers of interest

Charley Leaves 31,000 Destroyed Or Uninhabitable Homes - 8-24-4
http://www.indiemediamagazine.com/article.php?story=20040825040213154

Today, the American Red Cross has estimated that 12,019 homes were destroyed. This does not include 19,095 homes that have major damage and are uninhabitable in their present state of repair. 32,755 homes have minor damage and can be lived in while repairs are made, and 20,218 have damage such as missing shingles. At least 5,661 homes were still inaccessible as of their report and it was unknown what damage they may have.

Yet only 12 people died from the direct impact of a 175+ mph fury.....

That's merely 1 fatality for every 1,000 TOTALLY destroyed homes. Where did all those people huddled in the 12,000 or so bathrooms go to? Did they somehow get beamed up by Captain Kirk to safety? Did Charley descriminantly avoid all bathrooms where people were hiding and praying?

OK, let's be extremely conservative and say, for illustration only, that half of those completely destroyed homes were vacant. Now we're hypothetically looking at just 6,000 totally destroyed homes with just one person inside when Charley hit with little to no warning. And remember, most of the destroyed homes were flimsy mobile homes, the vast majority of which were older models that did not meet current hurricane safety standards. Are we to believe that there was just one fatality for every 500 demolished homes?



I've avoided commenting on the "bodies are being stacked in refrigerated trucks" threads because they were mostly friend-of-a-friend accounts but I can't argue the logic presented in this article and hafta' wonder if there isn't another sleight-of-hand numbers game going on in Florida surrounding the body count......

.....especially since I STILL haven't been able to make contact with a friend who had been living in a trailer in Gainesville. Can anyone out there tell me how hard Gainesville was hit and if I should continue to have cause for concern?

[Ripley]

9. More homes were destroyed during Andrew.

I don't recall the number but it was far more than 31,000. People left them before they were hit.

Yes, the news accounts were odd. But I've seen pics of teens going back to school in Punta Gorda area and people salvaging their items there. Don't you think one, just one of them would scream to the reporters...there were hundreds of dead bodies here! All my neighbors are dead!

I keep wishing Frances into the cornfield...

[Eloriel]

41. Not if they didn't see them.

And believe me, everyday people are NOT allowed into devastated areas where there are likely to be bodies.

[Blue Wally]

10. Loss of life in hurricanes

Major losses of life in hurricanes over the past hundred years has been from water, not from wind. The cause is drowning from the storm surge or from flooding when the hurricane runs inland and the rains storms cause the rivers to rise. If the barrier islands get evacuated in Florida and the areas around Lake Okechobee, the deaths will be scattered and from a wide range of causes (windblown projectiles, heart attacks, electrocution, traffic accidents).

[TeeYiYi]

14. Gawd Wally . . .

. . . will your house withstand Frances? I read on another thread that you were in the process of boarding up. Are you planning to stay?

If I lived in Florida, I'd want a single level brick home with at least one reinforced 'safe' room in case of hurricanes. Do Floridians try to build their homes with hurricanes in mind? Do any of them try to make their homes hurricane-proof in the off season?

TYY

[MUSTANG_2004]

38. Absolutely. Cinder block is the only way to go

As far as hurricane proofing, many (but not most) people do try to hurricane proof there homes. We've got storm shutters on the larger windows (money ran low before we could do them all). Ours is the only house on our block with them, but not the only one in the neighborhood.

As a lifelong Floridian, I definitely kept hurricanes in mind when we were house-hunting (that's why we picked cinder block). On the other hand, we picked a house with a large tree standing next to it because I weighed the comfortable shade and energy savings as being more important than the risk a storm would blow it down on the house, so even when we include hurricanes as a factor, we accept some risk in exchange for comfort/convenience.

[Zan_of_Texas]

15. True. Most deaths are from flooding. Normally.

But, most hurricanes pack 70+ mph to, say, 120 mph winds.

My guess would be that when you get to the serious building destruction levels of winds of Charley -- 145 mph winds and more -- more people could be hurt by falling roofs and trees and general debris being blown around like so much paper.

Batten down and do what you can to stay safe, Florida friends.

[LunaC]

21. Makes sense. Thanks for the insight. n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

26. Gainesville wasn't hit at all

but Frances is heading straight towards us.

[LunaC]

33. Thanks for letting me know.

Maybe my friend is just on an extended vacation.

Hoping you'll stay safe......

[sidestreamer]

39. Gainesville was barely scratched

Only the extreme southeast part of Alachua County was in the impact area, and even then it wasn't significant compared to, say, Punta Gorda, Orlando or even Daytona.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

13. If people died because of a hurricane..

..why would there be a huge conspiracy to HIDE it?

It's not like George W. Bush or the Republican Party was to blame for the deaths.

I just don't understand it - not to mention the fact that a lack of proof negates most of the things these people claim.

So, hundreds of people died and it was all covered up? Why? What evidence is there?

[hang a left]

16. Well I read a while back that it has to do with Jeb

not issuing mandatory evacuation orders. Anyhoo.....not everything you read around here is true. But far too many theories that are introduced get pounced on right away in an attempt to embarrass people into not even pursuing the elements of the accusations.

[pnb]

18. Exactly what I was wondering

One of the thins to look for first with these theories is a motive. I don't see any possible reason WHY to cover the deaths up...nothing to gain but plenty to lose if caught.

[cerulean_ink]

42. I think it has to do with Jeb and the NG...

Maybe if people saw the large death tolls in Florida from the hurricane they would wonder why, and that would lead to questions about where the National Guard was for evacuation and aid purposes, which would reflect badly on Jebby's brother for sending them all to Iraq. It does seem to be stretching it a little, but the BFEE are some crazy guys, so it's always a possibility.

[SayitAintSo]

19. Problem: The National Guard and all their Equip -> Iraq....

The Iraq war has shipped out / outsourced our emergency defence force. People don't realize the HUGE part the Nat'l Guard plays - in clearing out debris enabling EMT, Utility, police, Fire and other emergency workers on site to assist in the early hours of disaster - where many are the most vulnerable.

We are facing this SC now as we prepare - we simply do not have the equipment and Guard staff to assist like we did in Hugo - we are having to scramble - BIGTIME. I think this could be a HUGE liability to the Bush campaign if it got more publicity.

[Blue Wally]

34. Not in Florida

All three infantry battalions of the FL NG brigade are home and on alert for Frances.

[seemslikeadream]

17. I just found this today

CHARLEY UPDATE: PEACE RIVER CONTAMINATED WITH POISONS

Wednesday, 18 August 2004, 10:21 a.m.

At first, we thought the dead fish floating downstream in the Peace River were a result of Hurricane Charley. But at night, we saw the water glow from our flashlights and realized our worst fears... the river was full of phosphates. We had been using the river water for bathing since Saturday morning. Obviously, we no longer go near the river that flows not far from our doorsteps.

The Peace River begins in central Florida and flows south 105 miles to the Charlotte Harbor Estuary. The Peace River is an important source of Florida’s drinking water, supplying about 6 million gallons of drinking water every day to 4 counties along the Southwest Coast of Florida, basically those areas now devastated by Hurricane Charley.

To get at the rich deposits of phosphate in the Peace River watershed, since the 1890's, phosphate mining companies have been boring and scraping out huge pits that reach thousands of acres in size. One by-product of the extraction process is clay which is stored in settling ponds. Sometimes, the man-made earthen dams of these clay ponds collapse sending uranium and radium contaminated waste clay into the river which then suffocates fish, flora, and fauna. It also kills the animals depending on that water and flora for survival.

In 1971, a settling pond spill turned Charlotte Harbor “to chocolate milk” according to newspaper accounts at the time. They estimated there were 3 million dead fish back then. In the past, clay slime spills have prevented the Peace River Manasota Water Supply Authority from using river flows for drinking water, forcing counties to seek water supplies elsewhere or rely on stored supplies.

Regardless of any future debunker reports that may attempt to rebuff this article, have no doubt or question that the Peace River is - at this very moment - highly contaminated. All the fish are dead from Arcadia to Charlotte Harbor. The water coming down-stream is muddy and glows at night when flashlights shine on it. The next 2 weeks will prove this beyond any doubt as animals and fowl begin to die after eating the contaminated river fauna and drinking the water. It has happened before. In the future, anyone who drinks water processed from the Peace River, throughout 4 Florida Counties, will be drinking uranium and radium contaminated water. The effects are said to be no different than the depleted uranium in Iraq.

The ironic part of this is that the mining companies have insisted for years that this could never happen. We the people have fought the Florida State environmental permits that have been granted to these foreign owned mining companies, but we have lost every objection we made to protect our environment and drinking water. Few know that the majority of the phosphate fertilizers processed from the Peace River mining sites are sent to China.

Michael Edward

http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?p=467#467

[SayitAintSo]

20. "Well, Just how many species do we really NEED ?"

----Billionaires for Bush ....:)

[NickB79]

24. Glowing water?

BS meter just pegged the red.....

[seemslikeadream]

27. Doesn't sound too unreasonable

White phosphorus is stored under water to keep it away from oxygen. I take a small piece of white phosphorus and expose it to air. I darken the room and I can see the phosphorus glow. The glow comes from the reaction of some of the phosphorus with some oxygen. The reaction is spontaneous, but it is slow. The glow comes from the increased vibration of the parts of the molecules. The oxygen molecule accelerates toward the phosphorus atoms. When the oxygen atom gets close to the electrons of the phosphorus atoms, all points of zero force shift. This causes all of the atoms to vibrate. Some of the vibrating parts oscillate with frequencies in the range of visible light.

The oscillations of electrons in molecules are more complicated than the oscillations in free atoms, because each electron is influenced by the fields of other electrons in the same atom. In any case the principle still holds, as it does in the hydrogen atom, that a photon is emitted when the frequency of the oscillation of the electron is the same as the resonant frequency of the oscillation of the photon.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:fBJsKxLFevcJ:philmintz.tripod.com/Chemistry/page4.html+phosphates+glow&hl=en

Phos´phor`us Pronunciation: fǒs´fǒr`ŭs
n. 1. The morning star; Phosphor.
2. (Chem.) A poisonous nonmetallic element of the nitrogen group, obtained as a white, or yellowish, translucent waxy substance, having a characteristic disagreeable smell; this waxy allotropic form is also called yellow phosphorus, to distinguish it from another allotropic form, red phosphorus. It is very active chemically, must be preserved under water, and unites with oxygen even at ordinary temperatures, giving a faint glow, - whence its name. It always occurs combined, usually in phosphates, as in the mineral apatite, in bones, etc. It is used in the composition on the tips of friction matches, and for many other purposes. The molecule contains four atoms. Symbol P. Atomic weight 31.0.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:gkr6RhwKciYJ:www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Phosphorus+phosphates+glow&hl=en

[NickB79]

43. That makes sense

I think I jumped to the BS conclusion prematurely because of their reference to uranium in the water, rather than the phosphorus, and their reference to the depleted uranium in Iraq.

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. Great, I was in the Peace River

just two weeks before Charlie hit, looking for fossils.

You know the water in that river is really bad, but it's one of those things you just put out of your mind and hope for the best.

Yes, the river is surrounded by phosphate mines and all the run off ends up in the river. It's a shame because the river itself is very beautiful and primitive. It's a place you can forget the rest of the world and pretend you're still in old Florida.

[sleipnir]

28. Nowhere, it was another false Rense story.

And some of us here called "Bullshit" and turns out we were right. Seriously, the whole concept was ludicrous at best and tinfoil seemed to be on sale that week.

[ContinentalOp]

32. Here's an interesting article about this type of disinfo...

"Right now, government shills are working hard to trick web sites into running the claim that a passenger jet did not really hit the Pentagon. "

"This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. The government shills are trying to conceal real news stories such as the Israeli Spy Ring and its connections to the attacks on the World Trade Towers. So, we get hoax stories poured onto the net by government propagandists, to be used by the media to attack the credibility of anyone who dares doubt the official story."

"At some point in the near future, photographs, or video will be "discovered" clearly showing the impact, and the mainstream media will have a field day ridiculing those "kooky Internet web sites" and their "silly conspiracy theories", all based on a silly theory the government is itself planting on the web."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

[hang a left]

36. I don't know what hit the pentagon.

But I have read a little bit about the theory. I have some questions. One of them is where are videos that were confiscated by the FBI within minutes of the impact. There are two I am most interested in, one was from a gas station, I forget now about the other one(terrible memory). Also some of the witness accounts seem to indicate that it was not a commercial airliner. There is a 9-11 forum here with lots of information. As far as I am concerned the jury is out on this one.

[hang a left]

37. Also.......

If you are in the MIHOP category, then you do believe there was a conspiracy and it does not include the perps in the official legend. The bastards did it somehow. Bummer is, we will never know the truth, we will be having these discussions when we are wondering where are social security checks are.