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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:45 AM
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Ron Silver
Last night Ron Silver was part of the panel
in the After Hours segment on MSNGOP...he admitted
he was into pre-emptive strikes and hegemony.
He challenged Sam Seder (I think) around the words
"imminent threat" and that Bush never
used those words. Here's a compilation of quotes this
administration used to describe the situation in Iraq:

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24970

In Their Own Words: Iraq's 'Imminent' Threat

January 29, 2004
Download: DOC, PDF, RTF

The Bush Administration is now saying it never told the public that Iraq was an "imminent" threat, and therefore it should be absolved for overstating the case for war and misleading the American people about Iraq's WMD. Just this week, White House spokesman Scott McClellan lashed out at critics saying "Some in the media have chosen to use the word 'imminent'. Those were not words we used." But a closer look at the record shows that McClellan himself and others did use the phrase "imminent threat" – while also using the synonymous phrases "mortal threat," "urgent threat," "immediate threat", "serious and mounting threat", "unique threat," and claiming that Iraq was actively seeking to "strike the United States with weapons of mass destruction" – all just months after Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted that Iraq was "contained" and "threatens not the United States." While Iraq was certainly a dangerous country, the Administration's efforts to claim it never hyped the threat in the lead-up to war is belied by its statements.

"There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States."
• White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03

"We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
• President Bush, 7/17/03

Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03

"Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
• President Bush, 7/2/03

"Absolutely."
• White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03

"We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
• President Bush 4/24/03

"The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03

"It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region and the world is ended."
• Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03

"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
• President Bush, 3/19/03

"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations."
• President Bush, 3/16/03

"This is about imminent threat."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03

Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
• Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/31/03

Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
• Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/30/03

Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
• Vice President Cheney, 1/30/03

"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03

"Well, of course he is.”
• White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?”, 1/26/03

"Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03

"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. ... Iraq is a threat, a real threat."
• President Bush, 1/3/03

"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands."
• President Bush, 11/23/02

"I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September 11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or three months before or six months before? When did the attack on September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02

"Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
• President Bush, 11/3/02

"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
• President Bush, 11/1/02

"There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
• President Bush, 10/28/02

"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
• President Bush, 10/16/02

"There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
• President Bush, 10/7/02

"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
• President Bush, 10/2/02

"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
• President Bush, 10/2/02

"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
• President Bush, 9/26/02

"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02

"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02

"Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
• Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/29/02



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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 11:58 AM
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1. No, Silver was telling the truth.
The way the repug machine works is that they said, literally that "George bush never used the words 'imminent threat.'" If you look at those quotes, * never ACTUALLY used those words. His representatives did, and * used other words that mean the same thing, but the statement "Bush never used the phrase "imminent threat" is technically a truthful one. And that is how repubs work, on technicalities.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:01 PM
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2. oh, so technically the puppeteers said it....
yeah.
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:14 PM
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4. Yeah, it looks that way.
Disgusting.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:04 PM
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3. Got to agree
They're very adept at finding/creating loop-holes.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 01:08 PM
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10. He did say "grave and gathering" threat, which as I recall means
imminent. He also said "real threat" and his campaign said immanent, but alas - the buck NEVER stops with Georgie Bush. :puke:

These people are sad really.

"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. ... Iraq is a threat, a real threat." . President Bush, 1/3/03

Let's see, real threat, grave threat, imminent threat ... who gives a rip?! It all means the same thing BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED, (including the UNBORN) :eyes:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:20 PM
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5. So Bush using "grave, unique, real"
were pre-thought out agreements that he wouldn't
use "imminent". Even more disengenuous and evil intent
in the whole fabric of lies to invade Iraq.

Ron must be looking for a job as a pundit
on the right....he'd have to cut his hair though.

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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:24 PM
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6. Ron Silver makes me want to absolutely spew!!!
I believe that at one time he was a liberal, but he got freaked out by 9/11, and has morphed into total right-wing whackjob. Sorry, but I never trust these overnight converts who claim to have seen the light.

Whenever I see Silver on a panel discussion, he frankly looks a little shaky and unhinged. His fuse is very short, and he could be edging right up to a nervous breakdown.

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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:39 PM
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7. poor ronnie, he lost a debate to triumph the insult dog last night
it was priceless.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:47 PM
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8. who the fuck IS ron silver?
i've never heard of the guy before.
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 12:53 PM
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9. An actor(When a man loves a woman is the one that comes to
mind.) Ironic that when the entertainment community gets behind Kerry, the Repukes say who cares what entertainers think..when its Arnie,Ron Silver or Toby Keith, they are the most brilliant wonderful people since Jesus walked the earth.

Putrid, ignorant hypocrites.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 01:10 PM
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11. Bush was able to sell the war because the public is willing to
ignore little inconsistencies and form an opinion based on a vague impression. That same tendency now damns him.

It simply doesn't matter whether or not Bush actually said the word imminent. The public believes they heard it. They certainly know what the overall message was. This legalistic squirming only recalls Clinton's "definition of the word 'is'" defense. People don't like it.
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 01:29 PM
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12. I really like Henry Waxman's "Iraq on the Record" site
http://democrats.reform.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/

Statement by Secretary of State Colin Powell
"The imminent threat is that suddenly, this biological warfare lab, for example, could have been put to use."
Source: Interview on NPR's All Things Considered, NPR (6/27/2003).
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 01:31 PM
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13. Silver was promoting the PNAC agenda which he believes in. I wouldn't
be surprised if HE wasn't an agent working for a foreign power.
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