Clinton should get IV EDTA Chelation Therapy

[ecoalex]

Instead of a by pass operation, which has risks of death, Clinton should go to most any Dr. that uses intravenous chelation therapy. Like using drano, EDTA chelation will dissolve and remove all arterial plaque , the main cause of heart disease, and heart attacks.In my small town, most all Drs offer this life saving unintrusive way to clean up people's arterial systems.Doesn't it make sense to cean up all the arteries in the body, brain to toe, instead of "tinkering with the heart" in a dangerous operation, and not fixing the whole body? Get educated don't let the charletans of surgery cut you , and risk death, when oral, or iv chelation solves the main heart attack culprit.

[Heddi]

1. I think that just because it wasn't mentioned

in the article, I'm sure that the Dr's are doing everything they can to stop from doing a bypass.

My grandma had a heart attack last year, and they did the chelation but it didn't dissolve the plaque enough and they had to do a bypass anyways.

Working in health care, I can assure you that everything possible is done before an incision is made---especially if it deals with the heart. Those are pretty intensive surgeries and doctors won't just do one willy-nilly without trying first to use a stint or chelation or other clot-disolving drugs first.

Especially with someone THIS high profile---are you kidding? Again---just because no article had mentioned doesn't mean it's not being done. I'm sure they'll insert a cathater into his bladder, but I don't expect AP to write about that, nor do I think their lack of reporting an indwelling cathater means that there isn't one.

[ecoalex]

12. The Tenet Health by pass scandel at Redding Ca. says some hospitals do op

unnecessarily, as a money maker. There are some inscrupulas money , ethics problems in some health care systems. Tenent has been sued in some of it's cities it operates in ,for unecessary by pass , and other operations.Get 3 opinions, how you get a correct (probably) diagnosis.Shop, and don't forget to label the correct leg, breast, or other surgery site to lesson mistakes.Look into alternatives to surgery.It's a business, why an asprin is $5 each.

[Warpy]

2. that works before you get sick, not after

Like it or not, when an angioplasty and stenting aren't physically possible, the bypass graft is the gold standard of treatment, especially when there's major vessel and multiple vessel involvement.

I'd very much like to see EDTA used for inoperable coronary artery disease, where the distal ends of the vessels are involved. Perhaps some day it will be. However, one of the things that is against it at this point is that proponents are trying to get it used for acute disease.

In acute disease, the plaque isn't the problem. The plaque has already ruptured, and a clot has formed around the ruptured plaque. The formation of the blood clot is what occludes the vessel, and that is the cause of acute disease. Chelation therapy would only work before the plaque has ruptured, long before the clot has formed, and long before the patient presents with chest pain or myocardial infarction.

EDTA therapy may yet find a place in the arsenal of treatments for coronary artery disease. It just has no place in acute illness.

[faithnotgreed]

3. it most definitely can work in cases, but our system isnt set up

to accept alternatives like this. plus it has to be done with proper supervision and knowledge. i would love to see chelation therapy taken more seriously (esp in cleaning out the plaque that causes multiple health problems). i do know it has helped people who were not helped going the traditional route.

stress and diet and exercise also play their important part as well... hope he gets better soon

[DrWeird]

4. Yes, they should give him BHT too.

You know, because it's go tertiary hydrogens.

[treepig]

10. i'll second that!

:thumbsup:

gee, with the influx of tertiary hydrogens (from BHT) combined with the efflux of all those nasty cations (from EDTA) a very special synergy is likely to be achieved, and eternal life is doubtless now within reach.

[librechik]

5. the thallium stress test results must have been too bad

to try to treat it with an IV medication. Too bad they didn't catch this earlier.

[Warpy]

6. Right, EDTA would work as a preventive treatment

especially in people with strong family histories of early coronary artery disease.

I doubt they did a thallium (or sestamibi)ETT. I think they probably did an EKG, stabilized him on nitro and morphine, and scheduled him for the morning cath. An ETT might have been done if nothing much had shown up on the EKG, and if he hadn't required more than one nitro or so.

[librechik]

7. they sent him home last night, and he came back this am for "more tests"

they almost always do a GXT stress test before the cath--The results were probably imperative for bypass rather than cath, otherwise he'de be recovering from tha cath right now ub=nstead of scheduled for open heart surgery tomorrow.

(My guess--I Used to be a teletech on a heart cath ward)

[Warpy]

9. Facts

The news said he'd been scheduled for a cath, not an ETT.

Recovery from a cath is much quicker these days with a per-q-close rather than the old clamp and sandbag sheath removal routine.

Some really unfortunate people go from the ER to the cath lab to surgery within 2 hours. They just leave the sheath in place until it's convenient and safe to remove it, usually in CCU after surgery.

They only do a stress test on people they're reasonably sure don't need surgery, people with no ischemic changes on their 12 lead EKG and who have been easy to stabilize on sublingual nitro and asprin. Only an angiogram would tell them which vessels are affected and where the blockages are.

If Clinton were a prole, he'd probably wait until Monday or Tuesday for his surgery, since he's evidently not an emergency case. Since he's Clinton, it could happen tomorrow.

Poor bugger. I don't envy him.

[librechik]

13. Ah! The EKG must have found the block, so they don't need the

stress test, just the pics. Good to hear they're retiring the sandbag--that was a little scary

Thx for the info, Warpy!

(edited to remove slight stupidity)

[ecoalex]

8. Link for Chelation

From what I understand, chelation can be performed instead of by pass
I have read articles stating this. Many anecdotal stories about chelation state chelation was chosen over stints and by pass surgery. The patient is stabilised, detoxified, and chelation is started. For more information , the leading health clinic in this field is : http://www.mcdonaghmed.com/

[Sannum]

11. ....

The Big Dawg has the best doctors in the world treating him. I am sure everything will be fine. Think Positive.

[Jackpine Radical]

14. Chelation is regarded as an experimental treatment

and has not been subjected to large, controlled studies. Insurance typically doesn't pay for it unless it is prescribed for removal of toxic levels of heavy metals (e.g. lead poisoning).

AWll that said, I had a bypass in 1992 and I've been undergoing chelation as a preventative of further problems for a number of years. Had I been more aware of my alternatives at the time, I might have skipped the bypass.