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Can anyone explain that to me?
Although I've only been actually posting for a short time this summer, I have been lurking and reading DU daily for over two years -- principally for the voting threads, whether they be regarding civil rights issues surrounding voting, machine and systems issues, all of the various issues that get lumped into the "BBV" threads, etc.
Evidently, some of you folks actually know each other outside of DU. And evidently, judging from the various posts some of you have warm, productive bonds, and some of y'all can't stand each other. Fine, whatever. I don't care about your personal issues.
But why do your personal problems with each other have to receive so much bloody airtime here on DU? WHY? Neither I, nor anyone else I am acquainted with who lurks or posts on DU want to have to waste our valuable time wading through a page and a half of personal sniping to get to the essence of the topic being discussed (and some days, it's that bad...).
If you folks (and it seems to be the same group of about 10 people) want to viciously fight with each other, can you PM each other and do it off line, or at least off DU, and out of the way of the rest of us?
One of the biggest problems, as I see it, with the BBV movement, is that the movement is a multi-headed monster, which renders it substantially less effective that it could be. Any time three or more people in the same town or county anywhere in America become concerned with the issue, they seem to start their own organization, rather than adding their skills and energy to an existing group.
Years ago, I was a very involved abortion-rights activist (I'm still committed to the cause, but for a while in my youth, I spent 14 hours a day on the issue.) I think about how much less effective we were until like-minded folks became more centralized under NARAL, Planned Parenthood, and NOW. I see BBV as having the same problem -- everyone has their own little fiefdom, and for all the good work that people are doing, their own effectiveness is seriously diminished by engaging in the constant in-fighting.
Why waste your valuable energy fighting with each other? Why not spend that energy on achieving a transparent, verifiable, confidence-inspiring voting system?
The womens' suffrage movement suffered the same problem over a hundred years ago. The movement nearly shuddered to a halt, as familiarity breeds contempt, and there was so much internal bickering and hatred going on that progress on the issue was affected, until everyone wised up and realized that sometimes you aren't going to like the people that agree with you, and unless everyone works together, the message will not be heard, and the status quo will not be changed.
What was the old joke about how do you form a Democratic firing squad? Place everyone in a circle and shout "FIRE"!
Just keep battling each other and the corrupt voting machine manufacturers have absolutely nothing to worry about...
And just a note about the disclosure letter that was posted by one of you and that apparently set off today's round of nonsense: I write and edit Freedom of Information Act letters and other types of demand for public document letters and civil rights inquiry letters to public agencies every day. It's what I do.
I saw nothing in that letter that denigrated ANYONE. A commonly used tactic in FoIA letters, when you expect that the agency will try to narrow your request down to such a literal description that they will attempt to "exclude" (Bureaucrat speak for hide and destroy) as many documents as possible, is to broaden the request by tossing in names of people that would have communicated with the office on the issue, either positively or negatively, as well as other touchstone items, to put the agency on edge, and make them think that you have copies of some of the information already and if the agency withholds anything, you will bring out the document they illegally withheld and play "gotcha!" in the media. It keeps the agencies honest.
I don't think that making assumptions about what was asked for, or why, in the letter is constructive or useful. Clearly, the author(s) have some good guidance by legal professionals who do this work on a regular basis. Why assume sinister intent?
And if you do assume sinister intent, why not PM the author of the posting and get an off-line response, rather than exposing the rest of us to this constant bickering???
Thank you, everyone, for letting me get this off my chest, and I apologize for the length of this post.
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