Maybe drugs aren't such a great issue to bring up

[MaryH]

I am Kerry's age and we all did something. The soldiers in Viet Nam did a lot of really high grade grass. And at home we were prone to believe in sex, drugs and rock n roll. My guess is that Kerry probably was into some stuff like that, too - especially if he was part of the peace movement.

You have to have been there to understand. The grass we did was not nearly as powerful as the stuff out there today. We did a little of this and a little of that. mRooms and cilicibin and acid. Not all of the time - but sometimes on the weekend. But coke was off limits - and so was heroin. Coke was way too expensive for most of us to buy. And heroin was way too dangerous.

[skooooo]

1. Umm..and you brought this up..

because...

:shrug:

I don't get it. I bet Shrub did more drugs than everyone on DU combined..lol.


:)

[shraby]

2. "WE" aren't bringing up the drugs

and cocaine...Kitty Kelly is in her new book. "WE" aren't responsible for what she has researched and found out for her book that she started before Bush became president. "WE" aren't responsible for publishing her book. I believe Doubleday is.

The worst "WE" can do is talk about her book and what is in it.

[necso]

3. I agree that there are some places that we shouldn't go.

But let them have their fun! It's only DU!

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Smoking a little pot

is a lot different than having a coke habit and then a serious problem with alcoholism. Especially when you are the head of the party that is for zero tolerance and mandatory drug sentences.

I say bring 'em on.

[arcos]

5. Weed is not more powerful today...

However, it is easier to find high quality stuff.

[MaryH]

7. If it becomes a big issue

Kerry might get caught in the crossfire.

What if he did cocaine.

I have no problem with people using pot - I love the stuff. But I wouldn't want 60 minutes sticking a microphone in my face and asking me about it 30 year's later.

[arcos]

but why repeat untruthful myths from the pro-WOD crowd? nt

[Piperay]

6. Chimp was

a cokehead and that was hard stuff for that time period.

[MaryH]

9. Well, ya

I don't remember that many people who even used coke. It was just off limits. But, like I said, it was too expensive for us to buy. But the rich kids might have been into it.

[not systems]

31. I doubt money was an object for young George.

Or maybe he just got it straight of the CIA flights
coming in to the air force bases for pappy.

[Dr Fate]

8. The difference is Kerry and Edwards have nothing to hide:

Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards both have admitted publicly to using marijuana as younger men. Mr. Bush — a product of the same generation — refuses to say whether he has.

http://www.cannabis.net/presidentialpot.html

As opposed to Bush, who seems to be LYING about his coke-soaked past.

It's not the coke snorting(smoking?),(injecting?)- it's the dishonesty about it.

[not systems]

10. Ahh the old "The grass we did was not nearly as powerful" canard.

That is a very effective meme for allowing people who
have tried it and know it to be basically safe to find
a new mental space as moralistic crusaders against the
young and justify an outrageous police state to enforce
these new found values.

Baby boomers the narcissistic and hypocritical generation.

Gotta love them. NOT.

At least when they spout this crap.

[MaryH]

14. Well, excuse me!

I'm only saying what has been my experience. What we smoked didn't send you into a coma. Some of the stuff I have tried in the last few years is so potent it's just not any fun anymore.

What I liked the best about pot was that we would get stoned and then laugh until we were sick. It was really fun.

[not systems]

17. Maybe your resistance has dropped or...

you only got ditch weed back in the day.

Now you get the killer green and assume that it wasn't
what the better connected had back then.

[MaryH]

20. It wasn't ditch weed

It came in from California. I know. My old man was the biggest dealer in Salt Lake.

I tried to dry out ditch weed and smoke it - you would have lung cancer long before you ever got high on that stuff. We have it growing wild all over the place here.

[not systems]

26. I lean towards...

your resistance dropping then.

I avoid it because I work non-stop cleaning the house and
then end up working way to late on work projects.

Kinda the opposite of a comma or a mello time.

[luaneryder]

29. Maybe you were getting ripped off back then

I'm 51 and can vaguely remember being very close to comatose after three tokes on a hash pipe.

[Liberal Veteran]

15. It's kind of a self-defeating argument....

The grass is more powerful today means you don't have to sit around inhale so much smoke into your lungs as they used to have to. Since the problem is not that someone is going to OD on pot, then the only real problem is idea of SMOKING something causing lung damage and if you have SMOKE LESS, then that's a good thing!

[MaryH]

18. I have no scientific facts here

But I can't see the point in being stoned if you can't think or move.

And there is no way I could stop after smoking just little bit. I don't have that kind of control.

I just love to be stoned. So I don't keep it around the house at all because I would never make it to work.

[shanti]

35. then you just have an addictive personality

many many people smoke (daily even) and manage to make it to work every day. sheesh.

[Nikia]

25. I don't know about you, but I never smoke a whole joint

I smoked too much a couple times and had a scary hash crispie experience, but that's not what I prefer or have generally done when smoking pot. If you can get high off 1 or 2 hits as opposed to a whole joint, why is that a bad thing? If you drink alcohol, you don't drink as much hard liquor as beer, do you? It's sort of the same thing.

[dogtag]

23. Don't forget

the fallback position. He's born again and all is forgiven...

However, Kitty Kelly is going to be EVERYWHERE. She is a proven self promoter and her face will be on TV around the clock. The buzz will be huge. Even snake handling congregations in the backwoods will hear about it. The stink will be enormous. So stinky that it will permeate far and wide. Some may not be quite so forgiving.

The 'haves' base of the repug party won't give a damn and probably won't be all that surprised, but there could be problems with that other base.

They'll try hard to tie Kitty Kelly to the Kerry campaign, but that dog, as they say, won't hunt.

Let the games begin!

[necso]

27. You might read number 5 from arcos above.

This might explain certain baby boomers' understanding of the issue.

Scarcity of good quality stuff, could possibly, if one was open minded, explain why some people think that marijuana in those days was of lower grade -- good grass was simply harder to find.

And, yes, in the hands of some this a canard, but in the hands of others it just means that they couldn't get good stuff in earlier days... Or weren't prepared to pay for it.

Of course I would never endorse any illegal activity!

[sweetheart]

11. Drugs users for truth

I am for truth. Cannabis should be legal. Nobody should be
in prison for taking the drugs they wanted to take... it is freedom
of speech and the pursuit of happiness.

Big brother has no business in a private person's drugs use. Perhaps
bringing up a mass murder charge, a war crimes tribunal and a crimes
against humanity indictment against fratboy is more appropos.

[Keirsey]

12. the point is

Dubya lied about his cocaine use.

His whole life is a lie.

[MaryH]

16. Rednecks aren't going to see the difference

To them, if their hero the war president did some drugs and drank some beer it won't be any different than Kerry smoking some joints.

And the next thing we know there will be an ad come out about kerry being a total drug freak (it doesn't need to be true, you know) and is therefore unfit.

[sweetheart]

19. and? He's been the fikkig president for 4 years.... for peets sake

Why not charge him with his bloody record... really bloody!

4 years of policy for what?... a surplus to bankruptcy,
peace to wars and 10's of thousands dead,
unemployment risen, jobs lost, healthcare sadly weak,
etc...etc... etc...

words and past deeds are one thing... their lies are already
spoken as facts on the ground... that they refuse to accept or
acknowledge.

His whole life is a lie... and the only part we need bother with
is the part where he fucked the whole american public, 280,000,000
peole out of a decent future for the USA. That treasonous little
fuck should rot in prison for his days.... and certainly not see
anything near public office until he dies.

Yes, his whole life is a lie.

[MaryH]

22. The people who support him don't care if it is all a lie

That's the part I don't understand.

[sweetheart]

30. swing voters, doooo care

We bring up his record, to return him to his responsibility for

"destroying value" - this is the boardroom term, the ultimate slander
of a CEO. We must remind those who's hearts are not completely
rotted out, that a leader is responsible for 'is ship, and that
this leader has run us aground.

We're not selling the hardcore... we're selling the battleground
states, the swing voters and the undecided.

[freetobegay]

13. I will not knock any issue bought up this season

If it's an issue important to someone they should bring it up, drug useres have a platform also.

[MaryH]

21. Isn't that the Green Party Platform?

N/t

[freetobegay]

24. No thats my platform!

I don't do drugs, I have never done drugs. But if there are people out there that want to change the laws I'm not going to stop them. Being a Gay man I have my own issues to fight & I won't stand in the way of anyone that wants to affect change. I believe thats their given right as an American!

[MaryH]

28. Well, there are probably some things that should be

against the law. Like owning guns - at least AK47's.

These guys want all of their stuff to be legal and all of our stuff to be illegal. That is so no right.

[freetobegay]

32. Your barking up the wrong tree here with me

I am a big 2nd amendment supporter! Although I draw the line with assault weapons.

[Bluebear]

33. We're not Kitty Kelley. We didn't bring it up. "Some people" did.

[Bridget Burke]

34. "We" didn't bring up the drugs.

Kitty Kelley apparently will--in a book she announced just after Bush took office. She's not connected to Kerry or the Democratic party or DU.

I was "there", too. There was excellent pot available back then--you just didn't know the right people. And there's still plenty of regular Mexican stuff sold nowadays; prices have gone up, but that's inflation for you!

It's true that coke wasn't well known in the eary 70's. It was mentioned in old blues songs but only really known to the rich until later in the decade. It wasn't "off limits". Unfortunately, neither was heroin. And let's not forget methamphetamines!

Drugs have always been with us & always will.