Love those freepers. LOVE EM!!!!

[republicansarewhores]

Latest fan mail we received regarding our right to SHUT UP because freedom isn't free.

We usually add these letters to our fan mail page. I think these two are watching too much O'Lielly Factor.

Enjoy!

RAW

From: "Terry and Debbie McClellan" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Your website
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:56:28 -0400


You idiots need to get your heads out of the sand. Freedom isn't free and Peace is NOT the absence of war.

So you believe that we should have stood idly by and allowed Saddam to continue killing 800,000 of his own people. You and Kerry are of the same ilk that in the 30's said we should stay out of Europe. "Hitler is Europe's problem" Tell me when a righteous nation (which we are, like it or not) should step in and stop genocide.
Your comments and 'jokes' are not funny. they are exactly the 'mean spirited' things that you people accuse Republicans of.

SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN!!!!

Peace and Love, Terry

[fishface]

1. You should ask that turd what happened to the guy that killed

almost 3000 of OUR own people on 9/11.

[sandnsea]

2. I like your W graphic

Can I steal it?

[fishface]

3. Yep..I did...nt

[sidestreamer]

5. mihop? ((n/t))

[Swamp Rat]

6. HAHAHA! GREAT!

It's so fun to piss off freepers! Here's one I did a few minutes ago for another thread:

[FizzFuzz]

30. seriously LMAO!!

wish I knew how to use photoshop!!!

[RedDragon]

25. I think we were attacked.

[Vickers]

28. Exactly. By whom? OBL. So...why are we talking about Hussein?

Hmmmmmm?

Oh that's right, he had ties to OBL.

:eyes:

[merh]

27. I love that image!

I will borrow it too!

[sidestreamer]

4. You should ask them if we should wait 10 years after the end of the

curremt situation in Sudan before we invade them. The argument he's using uses the same logic.

[MajorFlaw]

7. Why is it that the number of "his own people" that Saddam is supposed

to have killed keeps going up. The last I read, there have been mass graves for about 5K people found, yet the number keeps on rising. This is the first time that I've seen the 800K figure, and I have to wonder where it came from. We should be optimistic as, at this rate, there will shortly be no Iraqis left to fight our troops.

[jmowreader]

11. It's additive

Here's how it works:

Ahmad Chalabi said Saddam killed 50,000 of his own people during his reign. 40,000 of those people were killed in traffic accidents and the other 10,000 died from workplace safety violations, but when you're trying to demonize someone we kinda skip over the whiny little technicalities.

Then we saw the overhead from Halabja--40,000 bodies lying on the ground. Obviously 80,000 were killed in Halabja (the Super Secret Spy Satellite that can see through people's roofs is in the shop for an oil change, so we estimate) and all of them were killed by Saddam. None of them died from all the gas the Iranians used in that battle, even though Iraq didn't use the kind of gas that killed most of them. Add the 40,000 we saw to the 80,000 we "know" were killed, then add that to Chalabi's numbers and we're up to 170,000 individuals.

Now take the 250,000 that were supposedly killed in the Iran-Iraq War and add them to the 170,000 we have already accounted for and we're up to 420,000 dead.

Throw in some rape room people, some torture chamber people, and some prison general-population inmates and all of a sudden you're up to 800,000. Okay, some of those people aren't dead yet, but they will be one of these days and you know how those Iraqis lie. It's terrible!

[Skittles]

18. they don't give a shit about oppression in America

but they are oh-so-concerned about the fate of the Iraqi people - of whom we have killed thousands during this phony "war on terror". WTF?

[smirkymonkey]

29. And why is it that the very same people who keep bringing up the

excuse that "Sadaam was butchering his own people, and we just HAD to stop him" are the same people who think we should kill all the rag heads and bury them with pigs.

Interesting how concerned they were about those same people when it comes to justifying the war, isn't it?

[rpannier]

8. I Love the...

Peace and Love comment at the end. I could feel the love, I...um...uh...really could...

[VOX]

9. If Freeper Terry wants to stop genocide, let's saddle him up for Sudan...

By his "reasoning," and that of the right-wing cabal that took us into Iraq under false pretenses, the U.S. military should go **directly** to Sudan.

Terry should be requesting -- no, demanding -- an audience with his pResident, and personally make an impassioned plea to stop the genodice that the entire world agrees has been going on there for some time.

Should we "stand idly by," folks?

[luaneryder]

16. They won't do that tho

It's always, "I would serve in a heartbeat if I didn't have medical problems/children to raise/am too old/better serve my country by being in politics." They always have a good reason why they can't/won't/didn't go into the military, but my oh my, how they wish others would do the brave thing and serve.

[ET Awful]

10. Peace is not the absence of war?????

Hmmm, according to dictionary.com

peace ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ps)
n.
The absence of war or other hostilities.
An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities.
Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations: roommates living in peace with each other.
Public security and order: was arrested for disturbing the peace.
Inner contentment; serenity: peace of mind.


I think the freeper needs a new dictionary that wasn't written by Minitrue :)

[Zorra]

12. For a republican, peace is the warm fuzzy feeling they get when

they know that young American soldiers are dying in foreign lands in order to stimulate the stock market and boost republican war industry profits.

[LynnTheDem]

13. Oh dear...such total STUPIDITY!

The "800,000" killed must mean the RWANDANS in 1994.

Do these two idiots understand that Rwanda has NOTHING to do with Iraq or Saddam Hussein???

Obviously not.

Or do they know more than HRW, ICRC, AI, Tony the bLiar and even bush's own website, that talk about the "16,500 Iraqis unaccounted for over the past decade" and how "only apx 5000 corpses" in those "mass graves" have actually been found? Do they know ICRC, HRW, and AI have said "Iraq IS NOT a humanitarian intervention"?

Obviously not.

Do they not know it was the RIGHTWING that said USA should stay out of Europe in WWII?

Obviously not.

Do they know the VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS say Iraq WAS NOT a "genocide" and WAS NOT a "humanitarian intervention" and that genocide IS NOT reason for invasion of any nation?

Obviously not.

Seeing as how these two incredibly ignorant idiots are in the VAST MINORITY of not only the world, but in America as well, I say THEY SHOULD SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP...and learn some FACTS.

[LynnTheDem]

14. Oh and...

Do they know bush MOCKED and RIDICULED and CAMPAIGNED AGAINST humanitarian interventions (social work for foreign policy) in his 2000 campaign?

Obviously not.

Do they know how IGNORANT they are?

Sadly, very obviously not.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

21. The Republicans I know were totally against intervention in Kosovo

They could have cared less about genocide or ANY humanitarian issue overseas.

When they suddenly came up with that phony humanitarian excuse for Iraq, I said, "Well, why were you against the intervention in Kosovo then?" They then claimed they hadn't been against it, which was a total lie, because at the time they were ranting and raving about how the UN should handle it and how much they hated Clinton! They are completely dishonest and irrational. It's all about them and they don't care about anybody else.

[LynnTheDem]

15. Maybe the ignorant freeps were referring to AMERICAN ATROCITIES in Iraq...

Thousands of Iraqi troops were buried alive in their trenches, with US troops bulldozing over top of them.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=45

The US Pentagon defended this atrocity, saying there was a "gap" in international law that allowed for burying the troops alive.

http://jeff.paterson.net/aw/aw4_buried_alive.htm

WARNING: SHOCKING PHOTOS

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt04.html

-The Highway of Death

“Even in Vietnam I didn’t see anything like this. It’s pathetic.“ — Major Bob Nugent, Army intelligence officer

WARNING: SHOCKING PHOTOS
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/iraqg...

On the Highway of Death

"It was like going down an American highway—people were all mixed up in cars in trucks. People got out of their cars and ran away. We shot them.... The Iraqis were getting massacred." —Pfc. Charles Sheehan-Miles

http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?7

"We've blown away a busload of kids."
—Unidentified platoon sergeant during March 2 assault.

"We're yelling on the radio, 'They're firing at the prisoners! They're firing at the prisoners!'
—Specialist 4 Edward Walker, describing February 27, 1991, incident during ground invasion of Iraq.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/069.html

UK Parliament
House of Commons
column 1347

Hon. Members will know that I am not emotional about many subjects. But I suggest that, emotionally, we shall be haunted for a long time to come by what has happened in the last few weeks. We shall be haunted in particular by what occurred on the Basra road. That was done in the name of the American Congress and the British House of Commons.

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm...

The vast majority of Americans say "humanitarian" is not justification;

In the latest PIPA polls, only 27 percent of respondents said they think that countries have the right, without UN approval, to overthrow another government that is committing "substantial violations of its citizens' human rights,".

41 percent said that intervention could be justified if the violations were "large-scale, extreme and equivalent to genocide."

In the case of Iraq, however, only 32 percent of respondents believed both that human rights abuses equivalent to genocide justified intervention and that such extreme violations were occurring under Hussein's rule.

Asked, "Do you think that there are other governments existing today that have human rights records as bad as that of Iraq under Saddam Hussein?" an overwhelming 88 percent said there are.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1114-06.htm

The war in Iraq CANNOT be justified as an intervention in defense of human rights even though it ended a brutal regime, Human Rights Watch said Monday, dismissing one of the Bush administration's main arguments for the invasion.

While Saddam Hussein had an atrocious human rights record, his worst actions occurred LONG BEFORE THE WAR and there was NO ONGOING or imminent mass killing in Iraq when the conflict began, the advocacy group said in its annual report.

President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair cited the threat from Saddam's alleged weapons of mass destruction as their main reason for attacking Iraq. But as coalition forces have failed to find evidence of such weapons, both leaders have also highlighted the brutality of the regime when justifying military intervention.

Human Rights Watch, however, said SUCH CLAIMS WERE INVALID.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0126-07.htm

He "disappeared" HOW many???

Human Rights Watch and the "disappeared" in Iraq; "No details were available about the fate of the approximately 16,500 people reported “disappeared” in the last ten years, mainly ethnic Kurds and Shi’as but including the approximately 600 Kuwaitis reported to have been in Iraqi custody but unaccounted for since the 1991 Gulf War."

http://hrw.org/worldreport99/mideast/iraq.html

Bush's own website agrees with the 16,500;

"In 1999, the UN Special Rapporteur stated that Iraq remains the country with the highest number of disappearances known to the UN: over 16,000."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.htm...

As for Iraq's actual human rights violations, read bush's OWN WEBSITE http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.htm...

...and then COMPARE to the US Military's OWN REPORT of the torture, rapes and murders committed by US troops against INNOCENT Iraqi men, women and children at Abu Ghraib and other arrest camps;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001

Compare it to ISRAEL'S HRW report;

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/mideast/israel.html

...compare it to SAUDI'S HRW report;

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/mideast/saudi.html

...compare it to bush's good buddy Uzbekistan; the dictator who prefers boiling his political enemies to death.

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/uzbekistan.html

Saddam wouldn't let human rights groups into all prisons? Neither will bush;

Rights Groups Demand That US Open All Detention Facilities

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0510-01.htm

Officer Says Army Tried to Curb Red Cross Visits to Prison in Iraq

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0519-04.htm

War Crimes: Gen. Sanchez Hid Prisoner From Red Cross

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/061404B.shtml

Saddam arbitrarily arrested innocent Iraqis? Tortured innocent Iraqis? So does bush;

70% to 90% of Iraq Prisoners 'Arrested by Mistake'

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0511-04.htm

Detainees Suffer Terror at US Hands; Red Cross Says Torture Part of Deliberate Tactic

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

Saddam arrested and tortured children? So does bush;

Military Analyst Describes Abuse of 16-Year-Old in Iraq Prison

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0520-07.htm

Iraq's child prisoners

http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

By the way, also read the current Human Rights report against AMERICA:

Amnesty Slams "Bankrupt" Vision of US in Damning Rights Report

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0526-02.htm

And how about them "mass graves" anyways? Oops. Another LIE?

"Remember we discovered mass graves with hundreds of thousands of men and women and children clutching their little toys, as a result of this person's brutality."

-Bush, November 16, 2003
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/frost/transcript.html

Oh we did, huh?

Blair admits Iraq graves claim untrue

British Prime Minister Tony Blair's office has admitted that repeated claims that 400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves were untrue, The Observer newspaper reported on Sunday.

According to the paper, only 5,000 corpses have been uncovered...

The claims by Blair last November and December were given widespread credence, quoted by British lawmakers and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-07/18/content_16...

And of those 5000 corpses, who are they? The mass graves mostly include the remains of ethnic Kurds and Shia Muslims killed for opposing the regime between 1983 and 1991. While Iraq was a US client state.

Sandy Hodgkinson, the U.S. official in charge of disinterring these graves, said the majority of people buried in the mass graves are believed to be Kurds killed by Saddam in the 1980s after rebelling against the government (during the Iran-Iraq WAR, where the Kurds sided with IRAN, and the USA sided with IRAQ) and Shiites killed after an uprising following the 1991 Gulf War (helped and supported by Bush41, Cheney, Powell, etc). And that is straight from bushCartel's own mouthpiece.

http://www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/000479.php

In the absence of mass graves from the 1990s to the present,in the absence of ongoing or imminent atrocities, how can we say that we saved more Iraqis by going to war than if we hadn’t? Unless you're a pair of totally ignorant rightwingnut freeper twits, that is.

OK but "better late than never, we had to hold SH accountable for crimes from 20+ years ago!" Oh?

Blair: March 2, 2003

"If military action proves necessary, it will be to uphold the authority of the UN and to ensure Saddam is disarmed of his weapons of mass destruction, not to overthrow him. It is why, detestable as I find his regime, he could stay in power if he disarms peacefully."

http://www.sundayherald.com/print31827

Bush: March 5, 2003

"We are doing everything we can to avoid war in Iraq. But if Saddam Hussein does not disarm peacefully, he will be disarmed by force,"

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Mar/03092003/nation_w/nation...

"Three top Bush administration officials said today they would welcome exile for Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, and one, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, signaled the United States might allow Hussein to escape war crimes prosecution if he voluntarily steps down."

http://www.why-war.com/news/2003/01/20/official.html

"President George Bush last night gave Saddam Hussein and his sons 48 hours to give up power and go into exile."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_I...

Saddam can stay if he disarms, Powell says

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/21/1034561443683...

Rice and Powell Say that a Disarmed Saddam Could Stay in Power

http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security...

And of course we won't mention the current Shia uprisings that the US forces are slaughtering in Iraq...

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Email them a Armed Forces enrollment form.

We'll see just how much they love the chimp.

[Revolutionary Mama]

19. Truth about those morons

If any group and its agenda should be outlawed in this country, it's those neo-Nazi fascists that formed the improperly named community the "Free Republic." Anyone that studied the rise of the Third Reich knows that these people hate freedom, democracy, therefore liberals and Democrats. It's time we started telling Bush's brown shirts over there to shut up and sit down, or get their arses out of this country.

I'm serious about this. We really need to put the hammer down on these people. Just keep in mind what their kind did to Germany.

Those fascist neo-Nazis hate the best of America. There ought to be laws forbidding their kind from pushing such Orwellian nonesense as what "Terry" described in his letter. Thanks for sharing his email address. I'm half-tempted to tell him to get his butt in New York and be sure to pack a tooth brush. He'll need it to clean the Statue of Liberty (The American monument I value most). Maybe, scrubbing our great lady liberty (the ultimate liberal symbol) ought to keep Terry busy and out of trouble for a while.

(Sometimes, I suspect Karl Rove is the reincarnate of Joseph Goebbels, but Bush is far to stupid to ever compare to Hitler. He just wants that kind of power Hitler had...And more!)

[RandomKoolzip]

23. No. Free speech is essential.

No matter how ugly, all speech, opinions, etc. should be tolerated and kept legal in this country. Even Nazis and freepers should be allowed to speak.

You ban one group, the slippery slope begins.

[NightTrain]

20. "Peace is NOT the absence of war"?

Then what the fuck is it?! :shrug:

[nickinSTL]

22. so...

When are we going into the Sudan?

Ethiopia? Burundi? Congo? Uganda?

Oh, right. They don't have oil...

[Norquist Nemesis]

24. Idiot! Most of the people wanted Saddam removed in 1998

while Clinton was in power. It wasn't due solely to :scared: terror :scared: though as the great imperial misleader would like us to believe. He also seems to have conveniently erased from his selective memory the debate that was occuring in 1998 when steps were effectively taken to contain him.

The fact remains, Saddam did not attack us on September 11th. The fact remains that resources were diverted to Iraq before the current administration 'got the job done' in Afghanistan. The fact remains, Iraq was not the safe haven for terrorists that it now attracts since this administration came into power. And many more facts.

The conflagration of Saddam's 'brutal regime' = the war on terrorism is an insult to the intelligence of Americans and the world.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/19/poll/
edit to add link

[dddem]

26. Decent people...

Would agree that we should have gone to Europe to destroy Hitler, and free the 6 million people he intended to destroy. But we didn't. We entered WWII for the simple reason that we were attacked (remember Pearl Harbor? It wasn't just a Ben Affleck movie.) The American people had no idea for years about what was going on in Germany - our government chose to supress the news comng in about the plight of the Jews in Europe.

I find it interesting that we need to go and "free the people of Iraq", when the "people of Iraq" (unlike the Sudanese people) did not ask for our help. ALso. I'm amused by the fact that just about everyone I know who defends Bush' decision to attack another country will go on and on about those "poor tortured Iraqi people" when they know darn well that if they should come to America for the freedom we enjoy, they's be up in arms in the old neighborhod. It's okay to sacrifice our kids to free them, just don't let them live near me!

Don't get me wrong, please. I'm all for helping someone who needs help. I just don't like using people who are suffering as my excuse to get something I want. Especially when those people haven't asked for my help. And if we are going in for truly humanitarian reasons, then we shouldn't be making a huge profit for our sacrifice. Especially when we don't want to share it with those who fought for our profit.