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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:34 PM
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Jimmy Carter's letter to Zell Miller
The text of a letter former President Carter sent to Zell Miller over the weekend ...
You seem to have forgotten that loyal Democrats elected you as mayor and as state senator. Loyal Democrats, including members of my family and me, elected you as lieutenant governor and as governor. It was a loyal Democrat, Lester Maddox, who assigned you to high positions in the state government when you were out of office. It was a loyal Democrat, Roy Barnes, who appointed you as U.S. Senator when you were out of office. By your historically unprecedented disloyalty, you have betrayed our trust.

Great Georgia Democrats who served in the past, including Walter George, Richard Russell, Herman Talmadge, and Sam Nunn disagreed strongly with the policies of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and me, but they remained loyal to the party in which they gained their public office. Other Democrats, because of philosophical differences or the race issue, like Bo Callaway and Strom Thurmond, at least had the decency to become Republicans.

Everyone knows that you were chosen to speak at the Republican Convention because of your being a “Democrat,” and it’s quite possible that your rabid and mean-spirited speech damaged our party and paid the Republicans some transient dividends.

Perhaps more troublesome of all is seeing you adopt an established and very effective Republican campaign technique of destroying the character of opponents by wild and false allegations. The Bush campaign’s personal attacks on the character of John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 was a vivid example. The claim that war hero Max Cleland was a disloyal American and an ally of Osama bin Laden should have given you pause, but you have joined in this ploy by your bizarre claims that another war hero, John Kerry, would not defend the security of our nation except with spitballs. (This is the same man whom you described previously as “one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders -- and a good friend.")

I, myself, never claimed to have been a war hero, but I served in the navy from 1942 to 1953, and, as president, greatly strengthened our military forces and protected our nation and its interests in every way. I don’t believe this warrants your referring to me as a pacificist.

Zell, I have known you for forty-two years and have, in the past, respected you as a trustworthy political leader and a personal friend. But now, there are many of us loyal Democrats who feel uncomfortable in seeing that you have chosen the rich over the poor, unilateral preemptive war over a strong nation united with others for peace, lies and obfuscation over the truth, and the political technique of personal character assassination as a way to win elections or to garner a few moments of applause. These are not the characteristics of great Democrats whose legacy you and I have inherited.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:36 PM
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1. Goooooooo Jimmy
DDQM
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:36 PM
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2. Goooooooo Jimmy
DDQM
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:37 PM
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3. I say people who elected Zell should FIRE Zell for not doing his job. n/t
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:07 PM
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18. Yeah, we need a ZAP ZELL! campaign in Georgia
Any Democratics there up to the challenge?

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13


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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:20 PM
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43. Zell is retiring. He feels he can do whatever the hell he wants
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:37 PM
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4. Great letter
I personally think Zell Miller must have senile dementia. No kidding!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:38 PM
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5. Once again, I have learned much about this great man.
Always a class act. That's Jimmy.

I'm ashamed when I think how my EX-Republican mother used to call this man a stupid peanut farmer. Because he isn't.

I can't wait to sign up and help Habitat for Humanity when this election is over.

FSC
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:20 PM
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:22 PM
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44. Two problems with the "dumb peanut farmer" meme
1. He wasn't dumb. He was a nuclear officer in the Navy.

2. He wasn't a peanut farmer, he was a peanut processor.
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Texas.45 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:45 PM
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45. You are right, he isn't stupid
just far too naive. Still a good man though. His heart is in the right place.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:42 PM
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6. I love Jimmy Carter.
Not because I agreed with him at all times - I didn't. Not because I believed he was never wrong - I believe at times he was. I love Jimmy because he has always told the truth - even when that did not bennifit him, he told the truth, anyway. I think that he is a national treasure - more than any other president in the last 40 years.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:03 PM
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16. Well put Dhalgren
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Julian English Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:44 PM
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7. President Carter is a great man.
God bless him.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:44 PM
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8. God bless and long live Jimmy Carter. A national treasure.
:bounce:
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:46 PM
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9. That's a powerful letter!
Thanks for posting it!

Jimmy Carter -- a truly great American.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:46 PM
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10. Bless You President Carter! eom
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:46 PM
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11. I hope this gets publicity
I haven't heard anyone put into words what so many feel!!
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gold_bug Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:48 PM
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12. viva Carter
kick.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:50 PM
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13. WE have someone as eliquent as Pres. Carter,
THEY have VP Cheney who, if confronted with the same, would just mutter "fuck off"
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:55 PM
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14. I believe he said
go fuck yourself.......which is even more vile
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:02 PM
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15. I agree Jimmy. Get the fuk out Zell.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:07 PM
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17. Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy
Bless you!!!!

You speak for all of us, and the words you speak are dead on the mark.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Signed,

Another embarrassed Georgia Democrat.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:07 PM
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19. Good for Carter
The letter was direct honest and to the point!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:10 PM
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20. And stay in the shed until Jimmy decides to let you out....
Asshole! :mad:
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:18 PM
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21. brilliant and powerful
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:19 PM
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22. Go Jimmy, GO!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:20 PM
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23. kick!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:22 PM
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24. Excellent and to the point.
This has gotta make the man feel bad. That is if he's human, but then again I think Zell only dresses like one.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:27 PM
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25. Morals & class vs.Red-faced Barbarism. Carter=REAL Southern Gentleman
n/t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:33 PM
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26. What's up, Doc?
:kick:

:hi:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:35 PM
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28. Hi!
Same old stuff- schooling & working for Kerry & DEMS here in sunny CA, etc.

How is GA these days? Hot enough for ya?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:51 PM
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31. It's been storming all day
and is predicted to last thru tomorrow.

Residual from Frances.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:33 PM
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27. Say what you will about his presidency, but
Jimmy Carter is the best ex-president America could hope for.
Thank you, President Carter.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:40 PM
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29. Jimmy's heart must be breaking, at what has happened to his party
and to his country.

The only quibble I'd have with his letter is that I wish it was even stronger...........

Get a clue, elected Dems........ this also means you!

Kanary
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:41 PM
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30. Thank You, Jimmy!
You NEVER let me down. I'm sure this won't phase Zell though. He's too far gone. Shame him a little, maybe? nah! You need a conscience to feel shame. Zell has no conscience.


"We cannot lead if our leaders mislead." Jimmy Carter, DNC
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:55 PM
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32. Zell, you have a letter. You want the restraints loosened while I read?
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 04:56 PM by Neshanic
That foamy-mouth sick unit.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:58 PM
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33. it won't get through to Zell
he is certified loony. But it does make for a great read. :thumbsup:
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:02 PM
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34. Thank you, President Carter
you are an eloquent human being and a great American !
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westley Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:04 PM
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35. My Man!! Carter
Jimmy: I always liked your style. You were too nice to someone who personifies the AH title.

Westley}(
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:06 PM
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36. I have been made so proud as a Dem by Pres Carter
He was wonderful speaking truth to power at the Dem convention, and this is an honorable dressing down of a disloyal, turncoat zealot.

He nailed it when he said Zell sold his soul for a minute of applause (paraphrasing).

Thank you again, Pres Carter.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:19 PM
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40. Thank you Mr. Carter.
Zell is too far gone. Only BushMoonies take him seriously.

He has become a viscious cartoon character.

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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:09 PM
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37. Awesome Letter President Carter!
Thank you so much for writing this letter. I tend to rage when I think or hear about Miller's rant at the Repub convention. Calm, cool and a true Southern Gentleman! Thanks again President Carter, and you were the first Pres I voted for when I became eligible to vote way back in '76......
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:11 PM
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38. LOVE that man! nt
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:16 PM
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39. much too soft......................
my husband and me (Germans) where shocked when we listened.

Miller sounded exactly like Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister.
Yes we are sensitive, because our history!

We where raised by the first generation - and we raised the third generation, so they can raise the 4th generation after WWII, that something like the Third Reich will never happen again. We all hear the warning signs.

But all in all I admire President Jimmy Carter for his achievements and his courage to do something, whenever necessary.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:20 PM
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42. Jimmy Carter was the most decent man to live in the White House...
... in my lifetime, which goes back to Truman. Watching that "performance" by an old friend must have torn him apart. The pain in that letter is real.

I really don't know if Miller has lost his mind or his integrity, but either way, he sure fit in with that convention, didn't he?

Democrats should hound him every day of the rest of his life shooting at him with spitballs. Whatever time he has left on this earth, he should be made to feel the shame he has brought upon himself every time he goes out in public.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:48 PM
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46. Jimmy. My hero. n/t
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:51 PM
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47. Thank You President Carter
you are a statesman
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:53 PM
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48. Jimmy Carter , the most honest President in American history,
still telling it like it is.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:13 PM
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49. Great letter from a great man
eom
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:57 PM
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50. Look up "class" and "integrity" in the dictionary
And there you'll see Jimmy Carter's picture.

Bake
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nefarious Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 11:17 PM
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51. Our hat's off to you President Jimmy Carter
Even in calling Zell on the carpet you are the statesman and Grand Old Gentleman of the Democratic Party.

Thanks for saying what needed to be said.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 11:20 PM
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52. Zell's response: "Get out (spit) of mah (spit) face!!
"Ah want ta (spit) challenge yew (spit) to ah du-ell"!
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